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Post by bayernoatcake on May 4, 2018 10:39:14 GMT
It doesn't sound like it's been handled well from the manager at all.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on May 4, 2018 10:51:22 GMT
It doesn't sound like it's been handled well from the manager at all. Have to agree, sounds like Lambert wouldn't even communicate with him, that's piss poor man management if true
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Post by realstokebloke on May 4, 2018 10:52:07 GMT
It doesn't sound like it's been handled well from the manager at all. Dreadful in fact, from Wimper's side at least.
My point is though, that the Board seem to be allowing him to mismanage things off the pitch as well as on it.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2018 10:54:22 GMT
I'd say Lambert is standing to attention on this one. Wasn't it rumoured the TD opposed this signing?
If so, it could be a quick case of "We didn't want him, do you rate him?"
If the answer to that question was No then it's a well trodden path to the exit door, and a feather in the cap for the manager.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on May 4, 2018 10:54:43 GMT
It doesn't sound like it's been handled well from the manager at all. He would say that though wouldn't he? He unlikely to say 'I'm a fat lardy useless cunt and deserved dropping' is he? I'm no Lambert lover, in fact he can fuck off to Germany with Wimmer but he's always going to be to blame in his eyes despite the fact that the bloke who brought him in for £18m had long before seen the error of his ways and dropped him.
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Post by nott1 on May 4, 2018 10:55:17 GMT
Hardly surprising he's been sent to Coventry as he has contributed next to nothing since arriving! The sooner he fecks off abroad the better and we should inform trading standards about rip off Levy and his false descriptions!
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Post by Seymour Beaver on May 4, 2018 10:56:31 GMT
It doesn't sound like it's been handled well from the manager at all. Why? Because of what Wimmer has said to the Austrian media? He's not exactly going to say "Actually under the new manager I was bang to rights, I am fat, lazy and unfit and above all not very good - which is the correct opinion of the overwhelming majority of the Stoke supporters. He was right to call me out - I'd been pinching a living". He was a poor purchase, he's shown nothing that warrants his inclusion in the squad, virtually everyone on this message board wants him off the books and out of the squad and it seems that's what the manager has facilitated. I get you don't like Lambert (and you take absolutely every opportunity to tell us so) - but that's no reason to pay much attention to an interview from a fat waster spun for consumption by his own domestic audience.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 4, 2018 10:59:01 GMT
It doesn't sound like it's been handled well from the manager at all. He would say that though wouldn't he? He unlikely to say 'I'm a fat lardy useless cunt and deserved dropping' is he? I'm no Lambert lover, in fact he can fuck off to Germany with Wimmer but he's always going to be to blame in his eyes despite the fact that the bloke who brought him in for £18m had long before seen the error of his ways and dropped him. Not necessarily, I don't think he'd say it if it wasn't true. And it fits with we know how Lambert operated elsewhere.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 4, 2018 11:01:54 GMT
It doesn't sound like it's been handled well from the manager at all. Why? Because of what Wimmer has said to the Austrian media? He's not exactly going to say "Actually under the new manager I was bang to rights, I am fat, lazy and unfit and above all not very good - which is the correct opinion of the overwhelming majority of the Stoke supporters. He was right to call me out - I'd been pinching a living". He was a poor purchase, he's shown nothing that warrants his inclusion in the squad, virtually everyone on this message board wants him off the books and out of the squad and it seems that's what the manager has facilitated. I get you don't like Lambert (and you take absolutely every opportunity to tell us so) - but that's no reason to pay much attention to an interview from a fat waster spun for consumption by his own domestic audience. We've had plenty of players that the manager hasn't rated etc say they've felt they've been given a chance to prove them wrong and turn it around. It doesn't sound like Wimmer has had that chance. That is wrong. I don't see why he'd make it up if it wasn't true. There's nothing in it for him as it makes him look bad too. It fits with how we know he operated at Villa too. And again it seems like the situation has been made worse by the manager. Which again is why I don't like the Wyatt Earp approach mid-season.
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Post by vahl on May 4, 2018 11:04:41 GMT
Spurs knew they sold us a dud, he is awful. It's not even like it was the first time either because they sold us Wilson Palacios as well, who was damaged goods as a person and riddled with grief.
Happy Hanukkah!
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Post by Laughing Gravy on May 4, 2018 11:05:25 GMT
He would say that though wouldn't he? He unlikely to say 'I'm a fat lardy useless cunt and deserved dropping' is he? I'm no Lambert lover, in fact he can fuck off to Germany with Wimmer but he's always going to be to blame in his eyes despite the fact that the bloke who brought him in for £18m had long before seen the error of his ways and dropped him. Not necessarily, I don't think he'd say it if it wasn't true. And it fits with we know how Lambert operated elsewhere. You could be right but I suspect not. Wimmer is just laying the blame at Lamberts door rather than accepting the fact that he's unfit and well...useless. He won't get a move back to Germany telling the truth will he? Don't forget these fuckers are massive egotists and nothings ever their fault. Lambert might have man management issues, for fucks sake I can't understand a word the twat says for starters, but I must admit if I'd been in his shoes and taken one look at that useless lard bucket I'd have deffed him out pronto as well.
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Post by foster on May 4, 2018 11:06:17 GMT
Our defence has been much better under Lambert so I couldn't give a fuck what Wimmer has to say.
He's just another waste of money signing like Imbula and Saido. 2 others among many that I couldn't care less about.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 4, 2018 11:10:22 GMT
I'm still not convinced he's utterly dreadful.
I read quite a bit of Cologne fan reaction when we signed him - and they rate him highly. Spurs fans thought he was decent - even though most admitted they'd won the lottery getting the fee they got, which was breathtaking in any context.
And there haven't been murmurings that he's a wanker in the dressing room.
I'm not saying I'd have him ahead of Zouma, BMI, or Shawcross.
But the way he's been frozen out just seems odd.
Really, it just speaks to the bizarre spunking away of £18m on a signing we didn't need just because Hughes got obsessed with Wales' Euro 2016 campaign.
The mental gymnastics involved in convincing yourself he was the best use of £18m must really have been quite something, especially as you simultaneously were convincing yourself Diouf, Edwards and Tymon were going to be a central part of your defensive pool
Just what do we think they were smoking over there at Clayton Wood?
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Post by westgatelakes on May 4, 2018 11:12:41 GMT
Please please let this be true ....... it`s just a pity that we are unlikely to even recoup half of his transfer fee if & when we finally sell him.
Up there with quite a long list of failed transfers at Stoke City !
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Post by GeneralFaye on May 4, 2018 11:16:04 GMT
The WORST signing I can remember in my lifetime for a whole host of reasons. Proved me absolutely correct, unfortunately.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 4, 2018 11:22:12 GMT
Not necessarily, I don't think he'd say it if it wasn't true. And it fits with we know how Lambert operated elsewhere. You could be right but I suspect not. Wimmer is just laying the blame at Lamberts door rather than accepting the fact that he's unfit and well...useless. He won't get a move back to Germany telling the truth will he? Don't forget these fuckers are massive egotists and nothings ever their fault. Lambert might have man management issues, for fucks sake I can't understand a word the twat says for starters, but I must admit if I'd been in his shoes and taken one look at that useless lard bucket I'd have deffed him out pronto as well. He's admitted his faults though as much as any footballer would and said he's played in the u23s and made an effort. Which on the face of it tallies. It just sounds too much like what we already know of him and that scares the shit out of me.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2018 11:29:18 GMT
Weird.
Very scary that our manager is telling players they're 'not the type of player he wants' after precisely zero game time under him.
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Post by dadofsam on May 4, 2018 11:29:39 GMT
How can Coates come out and say the process works when the process allowed us to sign Wimmer for £18m?
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Post by Laughing Gravy on May 4, 2018 11:31:22 GMT
You could be right but I suspect not. Wimmer is just laying the blame at Lamberts door rather than accepting the fact that he's unfit and well...useless. He won't get a move back to Germany telling the truth will he? Don't forget these fuckers are massive egotists and nothings ever their fault. Lambert might have man management issues, for fucks sake I can't understand a word the twat says for starters, but I must admit if I'd been in his shoes and taken one look at that useless lard bucket I'd have deffed him out pronto as well. He's admitted his faults though as much as any footballer would and said he's played in the u23s and made an effort. Which on the face of it tallies. It just sounds too much like what we already know of him and that scares the shit out of me. As I've said countless times I want Lambert out of our club immediately. If we lose on Saturday and he's still here Monday morning I'll be fuming. But with all the sticks around with which we can beat him, deffing out the useless fat twat Wimmer is but a twiglet.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 4, 2018 11:32:59 GMT
He's admitted his faults though as much as any footballer would and said he's played in the u23s and made an effort. Which on the face of it tallies. It just sounds too much like what we already know of him and that scares the shit out of me. As I've said countless times I want Lambert out of our club immediately. If we lose on Saturday and he's still here Monday morning I'll be fuming. But with all the sticks around with which we can beat him, deffing out the useless fat twat Wimmer is but a twiglet. It's a bigger issue than Wimmer though.
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Post by realstokebloke on May 4, 2018 11:34:48 GMT
The WORST signing I can remember in my lifetime for a whole host of reasons. Proved me absolutely correct, unfortunately. Ah-hem, isn't that the Right Dishonourable Saddo Berahino General?
We didn't need Wimper, we got our pants pulled down (again) by Levi and he hasn't performed yes - but, at the end of the day, he's not done anything wilfully wrong in my view.
Plus, there's an admittedly slim chance that there is still a player somewhere in there and hence we might get (some of) his wages paid on a loan and some cash for him yet.
Can you honestly see anything remotely like that as an outcome with SB?
Dreadful goings on all in all across the board.
And baffling that PC seems to accept it was all the fault of LMH.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on May 4, 2018 11:35:20 GMT
Why? Because of what Wimmer has said to the Austrian media? He's not exactly going to say "Actually under the new manager I was bang to rights, I am fat, lazy and unfit and above all not very good - which is the correct opinion of the overwhelming majority of the Stoke supporters. He was right to call me out - I'd been pinching a living". He was a poor purchase, he's shown nothing that warrants his inclusion in the squad, virtually everyone on this message board wants him off the books and out of the squad and it seems that's what the manager has facilitated. I get you don't like Lambert (and you take absolutely every opportunity to tell us so) - but that's no reason to pay much attention to an interview from a fat waster spun for consumption by his own domestic audience. We've had plenty of players that the manager hasn't rated etc say they've felt they've been given a chance to prove them wrong and turn it around. It doesn't sound like Wimmer has had that chance. That is wrong. I don't see why he'd make it up if it wasn't true. There's nothing in it for him as it makes him look bad too. It fits with how we know he operated at Villa too. And again it seems like the situation has been made worse by the manager. Which again is why I don't like the Wyatt Earp approach mid-season. There's every reason to say it despite not being true. The likely truth would not play out very well for future employers. If it's his intention to go back to the Bundesliga then by fibbing in the german speaking media it's unlikely to be challenged by anyone from Stoke and his version will therefore become the authorized one. Back in the UK Stoke are unlikely to say anything anyway as they don't want to prejudice a move. As for Lambert's "Wyatt Earp" methods he's being backed by Coates which says more about him than it says about Lambert. Because he also backed Hughes. So within a season he's backed both Holiday Camp and Boot Camp. The man needs to make up his f****g mind what he wants - and quite frankly I don't think he knows - and that's where you need to turn your fire. Lamberts the symptom - not the disease.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on May 4, 2018 11:41:15 GMT
We've had plenty of players that the manager hasn't rated etc say they've felt they've been given a chance to prove them wrong and turn it around. It doesn't sound like Wimmer has had that chance. That is wrong. I don't see why he'd make it up if it wasn't true. There's nothing in it for him as it makes him look bad too. It fits with how we know he operated at Villa too. And again it seems like the situation has been made worse by the manager. Which again is why I don't like the Wyatt Earp approach mid-season. There's every reason to say it despite not being true. The likely truth would not play out very well for future employers. If it's his intention to go back to the Bundesliga then by fibbing in the german speaking media it's unlikely to be challenged by anyone from Stoke and his version will therefore become the authorized one. Back in the UK Stoke are unlikely to say anything anyway as they don't want to prejudice a move. As for Lambert's "Wyatt Earp" methods he's being backed by Coates which says more about him than it says about Lambert. Because he also backed Hughes. So within a season he's backed both Holiday Camp and Boot Camp. The man needs to make up his f****g mind what he wants - and quite frankly I don't think he knows - and that's where you need to turn your fire. Lamberts the symptom - not the disease. There's very few teams (Stoke excepted) that sign a player coz he's says he's not shit in the media. They'll do their due diligence on the player and their assessment is unlikely to be materially affected by what Wimmer is telling the media
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 4, 2018 11:53:22 GMT
We've had plenty of players that the manager hasn't rated etc say they've felt they've been given a chance to prove them wrong and turn it around. It doesn't sound like Wimmer has had that chance. That is wrong. I don't see why he'd make it up if it wasn't true. There's nothing in it for him as it makes him look bad too. It fits with how we know he operated at Villa too. And again it seems like the situation has been made worse by the manager. Which again is why I don't like the Wyatt Earp approach mid-season. There's every reason to say it despite not being true. The likely truth would not play out very well for future employers. If it's his intention to go back to the Bundesliga then by fibbing in the german speaking media it's unlikely to be challenged by anyone from Stoke and his version will therefore become the authorized one. Back in the UK Stoke are unlikely to say anything anyway as they don't want to prejudice a move. As for Lambert's "Wyatt Earp" methods he's being backed by Coates which says more about him than it says about Lambert. Because he also backed Hughes. So within a season he's backed both Holiday Camp and Boot Camp. The man needs to make up his f****g mind what he wants - and quite frankly I don't think he knows - and that's where you need to turn your fire. Lamberts the symptom - not the disease. My fire has been happily pointed at them all.
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Post by knyperstokie on May 4, 2018 11:55:03 GMT
Weird. Very scary that our manager is telling players they're 'not the type of player he wants' after precisely zero game time under him. Not really - anyone can tell he's no use in The Premiership. I've seen him play a few times. He's got the speed and turning circle of a barge (and he's about the same size). The manager will have sized him up in training/U23's. Now let's see if we can palm Berahino off onto some sucker.
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Post by realstokebloke on May 4, 2018 12:01:26 GMT
There's every reason to say it despite not being true. The likely truth would not play out very well for future employers. If it's his intention to go back to the Bundesliga then by fibbing in the german speaking media it's unlikely to be challenged by anyone from Stoke and his version will therefore become the authorized one. Back in the UK Stoke are unlikely to say anything anyway as they don't want to prejudice a move. As for Lambert's "Wyatt Earp" methods he's being backed by Coates which says more about him than it says about Lambert. Because he also backed Hughes. So within a season he's backed both Holiday Camp and Boot Camp. The man needs to make up his f****g mind what he wants - and quite frankly I don't think he knows - and that's where you need to turn your fire. Lamberts the symptom - not the disease. There's very few teams (Stoke excepted) that sign a player coz he's says he's not shit in the media. They'll do their due diligence on the player and their assessment is unlikely to be materially affected by what Wimmer is telling the media Absolutely no cynicism to see here. Move along please...
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2018 12:05:55 GMT
Weird. Very scary that our manager is telling players they're 'not the type of player he wants' after precisely zero game time under him. Not really - anyone can tell he's no use in The Premiership. I've seen him play a few times. He's got the speed and turning circle of a barge (and he's about the same size). The manager will have sized him up in training/U23's. Now let's see if we can palm Berahino off onto some sucker. Can you though, really? I thought the point was that everyone had a clean slate under Lambert? Fitness aside, i don't see what good can come from a manager deciding he hates players on a whim. He even gave Saido more of a chance. Aside from that he's been far from the biggest problem we've had, and actually had a few alright games earlier in the season. He must have something about him, look at the view of Spurs supporters and Köln supporters, both thought he was a decent player and a good signing for Stoke.
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Post by chamberlain on May 4, 2018 12:12:58 GMT
There is a god
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 4, 2018 12:26:48 GMT
What does he mean when he says?
“For me personally, Stoke will not be any easier next year if things do not change in terms of training,"
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Post by terryconroysmagic on May 4, 2018 12:31:13 GMT
What does he mean when he says? “For me personally, Stoke will not be any easier next year if things do not change in terms of training," For me Paul, I read that as him saying that he sees no future for himself at Stoke if Lambert is in charge, and it was his way of subtlety getting a dig in
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