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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 23, 2018 19:35:11 GMT
If we go the rest of the season without a win and they keep Lambert on people will start questioning Coates’ sanity surely? It's just a bizzare thing for him to say with just three games left to play. Why paint himself into such a corner now - it's a completely unnecessary thing to do? Should have kept it zipped until May. The timing is crazy - it just stirs up anger and doesn't 100% put it to bed.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2018 19:35:40 GMT
Keeping Lambert is the cheapest option - end of story in Coates's opinion. It seemingly doesn't matter whether he's bloody lousy or not, it just means Coates doesn't have to pay up on his remaining contract.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Apr 23, 2018 19:35:53 GMT
If we go the rest of the season without a win and they keep Lambert on people will start questioning Coates’ sanity surely? It's just a bizzare thing for him to say with just three games left to play. Why paint himself into such a corner now - it's a completely unnecessary thing to do? He's seen the banner and is angry!
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Apr 23, 2018 19:36:41 GMT
One of Sir Peter's weaknesses going back to when he fucked up the first time is his arrogance , he rarely admits mistakes , maybe it works in the business world for him but a sorry we messed up would do a lot more good in terms of relationship with fans at the moment .
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Post by burge2u on Apr 23, 2018 19:36:54 GMT
So the recruitment process is OK, but the judgement has been poor. Then it isn't just about Mark Hughes, what about the 'judgement' of those who were presenting players for his approval ? Surely they must go.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 23, 2018 19:37:15 GMT
He said at this moment in time there will be no change what would you expect him to say.The few who were on this board before the Prem slagged him off when he re-employed TP.If it was not for PC we would not of had 10years in the Prem and half of you would not be Stoke fans.He also said the aim would be to get right back,well he will have to bankroll that.The chairman deserves some respect. Why has he said anything?
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Apr 23, 2018 19:38:51 GMT
Ah the old "no changes planned" line, you crafty old bugger. Better clear your desks boys. They won't get far! 😁
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Apr 23, 2018 19:39:16 GMT
So the recruitment process is OK, but the judgement has been poor. Then it isn't just about Mark Hughes, what about the 'judgement' of those who were presenting players for his approval ? Surely they must go. Read it again, mate, the recruitment team give the manager a lot of info and it's down to him. Classic blame the bloke who isn't here!
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 23, 2018 19:41:31 GMT
"It's not Paul's fault we haven't got a goalscorer"
*even though we were the 10th highest scorers under the previous manager after 22 games (lowest scorers in the league under Lambo) *he assured us he knew all about our squad and how to turn it around *and we only made half-arsed, silly attempts at providing him with one.
Staggering stuff.
He really should have said nothing.
Now I'm seething.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 23, 2018 19:41:49 GMT
So the recruitment process is OK, but the judgement has been poor. Then it isn't just about Mark Hughes, what about the 'judgement' of those who were presenting players for his approval ? Surely they must go. Read it again, mate, the recruitment team give the manager a lot of info and it's down to him. Classic blame the bloke who isn't here! Tbf Hughes himself said he was the final say on signings.
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Post by shaqri on Apr 23, 2018 19:41:54 GMT
lets hope Peter coates gets it right. We need to get rid of dead wood at the end of the season. We need good quality striker. A striker that wears his heart on his sleave and actually wants play for the club and fans. good midfielder. Try keep shawcross pieters bauer martins indi. get rid of wimmer fletcher and berihino maybe if pardew gets another job stick them both in a taxi. stick jese on a one way flight ticket back to spain.
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Post by ursemboys on Apr 23, 2018 19:41:55 GMT
Jesus I have just spent ages trying defend him and then this comes out lol.
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Apr 23, 2018 19:42:36 GMT
He has said exactly what every supporter did not want to hear does he like pissing us all off. He obviously thinks we have sold enough season tickets to come out with statements like that & as for doing everything possible to bounce straight back he is living in cloud cuckoo land with this manager running the show we have no chance.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2018 19:42:51 GMT
He certainly made sure early bird was done before he started this media campaign.
1) Why has he said anything? He speaks far too much for a chairman and more often than not it's patronising to his customer base.
2) How is the process not a problem when it's consistently fell short of expectation?
3) Whose bank rolling this new promotion push? He's not got the financial clout and i can't imagine Denise will want to please Daddy for a second time. The fire sale will provide a bit of spending money and the majority will go on paying the wages of those we can't shift.
4) I mean just how can you say with a straight face you won't be changing anything when the manager could end the season with 1 win in 15 and the recruitment team have produced flop after flop.
5) He's really starting to annoy me now.
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 23, 2018 19:43:41 GMT
At least the daft old duffer has confirmed that the shit signings were all down to Mark fucking Hughes, makes you wonder why he kept him so long
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Post by WhyDelilah on Apr 23, 2018 19:44:02 GMT
"It's not Paul's fault we haven't got a goalscorer" *even though we were the 10th highest scorers under the previous manager after 22 games (lowest scorers in the league under Lambo) *he assured us he knew all about our squad and how to turn it around *and we only made half-arsed, silly attempts at providing him with one. Staggering stuff. He really should have said nothing. Now I'm seething. Seething? Come over to the apathy brigade. We've got cookies.
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Post by warringtonstokie on Apr 23, 2018 19:44:37 GMT
Can't trust Coates to do the right thing, same with the rest of the board, Lambert and all the players. The whole thing is an absolute shit show from top to bottom but one man controls it all and what he's done in the past shouldn't be relevant right now when he's putting us in this mess.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2018 19:44:42 GMT
At least the daft old duffer has confirmed that the shit signings were all down to Mark fucking Hughes, makes you wonder why he kept him so long Or it's easy to blame the bloke whose not here for everything and not the guys he will be having a cuppa with tomorrow.
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Post by iglugluk on Apr 23, 2018 19:45:02 GMT
It can only be seen as obtuse for the sake of it. Even the most enthusiastic fan can see his opinions are completely foolish so surely he must know this decision is another bad one........... he must get a kick out of be spiteful just for fun of it.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 23, 2018 19:45:03 GMT
So the recruitment process is OK, but the judgement has been poor. Then it isn't just about Mark Hughes, what about the 'judgement' of those who were presenting players for his approval ? Surely they must go. Read it again, mate, the recruitment team give the manager a lot of info and it's down to him. Classic blame the bloke who isn't here! Yeah I agree. He's saying that process works fine. IE Cartwright makes suggestions to the manager and also he tries to get players in that the manager has identified specifically but that the JUDGEMENT is ultimately on the shoulders of the manager, it is HE who has the final say. He's blaming Hughes for the spectacular failures in the transfer market. This is why Cartwright has been able to come out and say he was against the signing of Wimmer.
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 23, 2018 19:45:06 GMT
Jesus I have just spent ages trying defend him and then this comes out lol. You backed another loser then , a leopard never changes it's spots
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Post by vahl on Apr 23, 2018 19:45:29 GMT
So... from the view that we were no where near the trap door upon Lambert's arrival, in the sense that it was stll very much up in the air.
Complete tactical incompetence:
-costs you pounds in to the 100's of millions -a great deal of personal sadness -the city losing money scaling in to the 10's of millions -whilst also depressing thousands of loyal fans and the pride of the good men that got us back in the big time
(and I quote) "We haven’t been winning games because we haven’t been scoring goals. It’s not his fault that we haven’t got a goalscorer."
It's not his fault we haven't got a consistent goalscorer but it's completely his fault for making decisions during matches that have cost us points.
Backing him this way is going to end in tears.
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 23, 2018 19:45:37 GMT
"It's not Paul's fault we haven't got a goalscorer" *even though we were the 10th highest scorers under the previous manager after 22 games (lowest scorers in the league under Lambo) *he assured us he knew all about our squad and how to turn it around *and we only made half-arsed, silly attempts at providing him with one. Staggering stuff. He really should have said nothing. Now I'm seething. Seething? Come over to the apathy brigade. We've got cookies. What kind?
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Post by WhyDelilah on Apr 23, 2018 19:46:15 GMT
Seething? Come over to the apathy brigade. We've got cookies. What kind? Chocolate chip, of course.
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Post by chamberlain on Apr 23, 2018 19:47:16 GMT
That's it, then. Let's all go to work tomorrow and be absolutely wank at whatever we do. Carry on that wankness for years. See if we keep our jobs. I did that for 12 years in the RAF and was pissed for most of it. It can work! So to recap it's all Hughesies fault? That’s what I take from it too , the buck stops with the useless Welsh one .
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Apr 23, 2018 19:47:29 GMT
We needed a striker so we turned our attentions to an injured one at Liverpool. When he went elsewhere, our next target was... an injured one at Liverpool.
Assuming we didn't bother to look abroad, and not bringing Bojan back at least as an option in the squad. Absolutely pathetic, this club is a bloody shambles.
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 23, 2018 19:47:31 GMT
Read it again, mate, the recruitment team give the manager a lot of info and it's down to him. Classic blame the bloke who isn't here! Yeah I agree. He's saying that process works fine. IE Cartwright makes suggestions to the manager and also he tries to get players in that the manager has identified specifically but that the JUDGEMENT is ultimately on the shoulders of the manager, it is HE who has the final say. He's blaming Hughes for the spectacular failures in the transfer market. This is why Cartwright has been able to come out and say he was against the signing of Wimmer. Could it be the old git is actually telling the truth for once unusual for a socialist I know.
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Post by bigcashprizes on Apr 23, 2018 19:49:14 GMT
All I say is he needs a good start next season then That's the thing isn't it? If we lose our next three games then Lambert's position is surely completely untenable. Regardless of whether Coates does believe he is the right man for the job, he simply can't ignore the possibility that Lambert could have a bad start next season and if that was to happen he would have ZERO credit in the bank with the supporters and things could get very ugly, very early on. What would Coates do then? The money would have been spent, the squad assembled by a different manager and he would have to bring in somebody else in to work with somebody else's players. It's like he hasn't even witnessed what's just happened here at all. I think you’ve nailed it here Paul. I was having this exact conversation with my old man earlier. Come next winter, Lambert will be sacked and a no mark manager will have to come in and work with the previous incumbent’s mess. Deja vu or what? The horrible thing is, is that all we’ll be able to do, is to sit and watch it unfolding as if in slow motion. I really hope I’m wrong, but if I had to put my house on an outcome, then this is the scenario that I’d back Very disillusioned
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Apr 23, 2018 19:49:59 GMT
Way to go Pete..... That's the way to see season tickets go through the roof!!!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2018 19:50:17 GMT
“There is nothing wrong with the process,” he argued, “it’s about the judgement of the players brought in."
This comment is pure golden. So the actual step by step process is ok, it's just those you recruit within that process are utter useless. Then by that logic you come out of the woodwork and say their jobs are safe.
Amazing...
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