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Post by thegift on Apr 23, 2018 8:36:26 GMT
Why have I got a feeling that Lambert knows he is a goner and the new man is going to be Mick McCarthy? Whilst i like MM, hes certainly not the man to get us back up. It has to be a neil warnock / sam allardyce for me.
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Post by foster on Apr 23, 2018 8:39:14 GMT
Well, he was unemployed and needed a job I'll be first to admit bullshitting my way through a job interview. Well that's fine, but if you fail then at your job, regardless of bullshiting the interview you have to take the blame, Lambert, likewise. I know what you mean but to me he seems to already be showing who he values in the team and who he doesn't with the exclusion of a bunch of bad apples. If he can manage to get rid of them all (something our other managers have failed to do) and keep most of the current first 11 (we know which ones), then I'm willing to give him a chance with his own signings and see how he manages in the Championship. I won't support any manager next season who hasn't managed to get rid of Berahino though. I don't care if he goes for free. Getting rid of him is imperative. Have to admit though that I've never been one for sacking managers.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2018 8:40:23 GMT
Why have I got a feeling that Lambert knows he is a goner and the new man is going to be Mick McCarthy? Whilst i like MM, hes certainly not the man to get us back up. It has to be a neil warnock / sam allardyce for me. Moyes if West Ham let him go, build the club back up from top to bottom.
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Post by thegift on Apr 23, 2018 8:41:25 GMT
Whilst i like MM, hes certainly not the man to get us back up. It has to be a neil warnock / sam allardyce for me. Moyes if West Ham let him go, build the club back up from top to bottom. I'd take that as well.
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Post by werrington on Apr 23, 2018 8:42:58 GMT
Quite why Southampton, West Ham and Swansea gave their new managers a contract until the end of the season but we decided to go down the 2.5 year route is truly mind blowing/ staggering call it what you want
Lambert seems a genuinely lovely bloke whose come in to huge internal problems and deserves much credit but his team selections and in game substitutions are head shakers
He’s not the man to take us forward
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Post by chayzenbacon on Apr 23, 2018 8:46:12 GMT
I still can't really blame Lambert to be honest. We had chances in past few games and howlers by the likes Butland, Adam and Diouf have cost us dearly. I know it's been said a million times before but he really has been kneecapped in terms of the players he's got. If we had other options up front instead of Diouf (Shit), Crouch (Old), Jese (Cunt) and Saido (Bigger-Cunt) then we wouldn't be in this mess. In the games we've had we've had chances to score and our lack of quality has cost us more than our tactics. It's also been said a million times that since Hughes' departure the squad has been improved with the signings of Bauer and Ndiaye and yet despite that considerable advantage Lambert is achieving an even worse points per game ratio than Hughes. I would even put some of the blame for the lack of a striker down to Lambert because, as I have said several times, any manager worth his salt would have insisted that a striker be found and signed up. Lambert however was so giddy at getting a job and a salary which he knows are way beyond anything he might have expected with his career history that he was too busy jumping for joy. He was an absolutely desperate, disastrous appointment and he has to take a share of the blame for his ineptitude and the team's lack of lack of ambition on the field. PS. Yes I know good strikers are hard to find but others managed it in January and we are ( were briefly) the 30th richest club in the world. If we were serious about getting one, we could have got one.
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Post by thegift on Apr 23, 2018 8:49:10 GMT
Well that's fine, but if you fail then at your job, regardless of bullshiting the interview you have to take the blame, Lambert, likewise. I know what you mean but to me he seems to already be showing who he values in the team and who he doesn't with the exclusion of a bunch of bad apples. If he can manage to get rid of them all (something our other managers have failed to do) and keep most of the current first 11 (we know which ones), then I'm willing to give him a chance with his own signings and see how he manages in the Championship. I won't support any manager next season who hasn't managed to get rid of Berahino though. I don't care if he goes for free. Getting rid of him is imperative. Have to admit though that I've never been one for sacking managers. I get that. But taking Bauer off twice in 2 weeks is absolutely bizarre, especially after indicating it was tactical. Making stupid errors week in week out when taking the lead, he still doesn't learn any lessons.
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Post by foster on Apr 23, 2018 8:50:04 GMT
I still can't really blame Lambert to be honest. We had chances in past few games and howlers by the likes Butland, Adam and Diouf have cost us dearly. I know it's been said a million times before but he really has been kneecapped in terms of the players he's got. If we had other options up front instead of Diouf (Shit), Crouch (Old), Jese (Cunt) and Saido (Bigger-Cunt) then we wouldn't be in this mess. In the games we've had we've had chances to score and our lack of quality has cost us more than our tactics. It's also been said a million times that since Hughes' departure the squad has been improved with the signings of Bauer and Ndiaye and yet despite that considerable advantage Lambert is achieving an even worse points per game ratio than Hughes. I would even put some of the blame for the lack of a striker down to Lambert because, as I have said several times, any manager worth his salt would have insisted that a striker be found and signed up. Lambert however was so giddy at getting a job and a salary which he knows are way beyond anything he might have expected with his career history that he was too busy jumping for joy. He was an absolutely desperate, disastrous appointment and he has to take a share of the blame for his ineptitude and the team's lack of lack of ambition on the field. PS. Yes I know good strikers are hard to find but others managed it in January and we are ( were briefly) the 30th richest club in the world. If we were serious about getting one, we could have got one. All valid arguments. Just don't think Lambert should be made a scapegoat and detract from the abysmal running of the club by the executives. They have been responsible for the long term development of the club and have failed in pretty much every way.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Apr 23, 2018 8:50:48 GMT
I can confirm the Bauer substitution was met with complete incredulity by two senior figures at the club , I sense results are taking the issue out of there hands , like Hughes they would like to stick but are beginning to realise they can’t sfford to , and obviously sacking lambert saves some other hgh profile skins . Which 2 senior figures? Ethel & Ada the wash ladies!!!
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Post by maliciousdamage on Apr 23, 2018 8:51:03 GMT
No, he’s done nothing that any other manager wouldn’t have done he’s played a fit back four and instilled a bit of fitness and discliplne (apparantly although I’d say the Adam penalty fiasco and Johnson batmy free kick episode have made a myth of that).
His in game tactics and decision making regarding subs clearly show he’s now out of his depth in the Premier League of today this would no doubt transpire to be the same in the modern Championship although perhaps not as drastic.
I was enthused by his enthusiasm when he arrived but jumping up and down flapping like big bird isn’t enough without some tactical know how. Sorry Mr Lambert it’s a no from me and collect your things as you leave. He’s already saying he wants to stay in I bet he does as he’s in to a winner either way. He was charged with keeping us in the Prem looks like he’s failed so I’d be shit of him in June
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Post by thegift on Apr 23, 2018 8:52:24 GMT
Quite why Southampton, West Ham and Swansea gave their new managers a contract until the end of the season but we decided to go down the 2.5 year you’re is truly mind blowing/ staggering call it what you want Lambert seems a genuinely lovely bloke whose come in to huge internal problems and deserves much credit but his team selections and in game substitutions are head shakers He’s not the man to take us forward Hopefully there is a relegation clause in there, knowing scholes, no chance.
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Post by werrington on Apr 23, 2018 8:52:36 GMT
It's also been said a million times that since Hughes' departure the squad has been improved with the signings of Bauer and Ndiaye and yet despite that considerable advantage Lambert is achieving an even worse points per game ratio than Hughes. I would even put some of the blame for the lack of a striker down to Lambert because, as I have said several times, any manager worth his salt would have insisted that a striker be found and signed up. Lambert however was so giddy at getting a job and a salary which he knows are way beyond anything he might have expected with his career history that he was too busy jumping for joy. He was an absolutely desperate, disastrous appointment and he has to take a share of the blame for his ineptitude and the team's lack of lack of ambition on the field. PS. Yes I know good strikers are hard to find but others managed it in January and we are ( were briefly) the 30th richest club in the world. If we were serious about getting one, we could have got one. All valid arguments. Just don't think Lambert should be made a scapegoat and detract from the abysmal running of the club by the executives. They have been responsible for the long term development of the club and have failed in pretty much every way. He isn’t a scapegoat as everybody knows the issues behind the scenes and the playing cards he was dealt but it’s becoming rapidly apparent he’s not the man we need
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Post by maliciousdamage on Apr 23, 2018 8:54:52 GMT
Didn't Wolves get rid if him before their renaissance? They were 15th going nowhere. They did, my lads team were invited to play one of their academy teams and people there were saying Santos came in and changed the club top to bottom everything is done in a particular manner right from first team through to academy lads and this was when we still had Hughes. They weren’t impressed at all with what Lambert had done and obviously the owners could see it
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Post by foster on Apr 23, 2018 8:56:52 GMT
All valid arguments. Just don't think Lambert should be made a scapegoat and detract from the abysmal running of the club by the executives. They have been responsible for the long term development of the club and have failed in pretty much every way. He isn’t a scapegoat as everybody knows the issues behind the scenes and the playing cards he was dealt but it’s becoming rapidly apparent he’s not the man we need Fair enough but if we're to get the man we need, we need the right management from the top. If nothing changes there then we're just going to sign another like for like manager. We're going down now so I just want to see what else he has in locker (if anything) and have some kind of insight into what he would do this summer.
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Post by vahl on Apr 23, 2018 8:57:44 GMT
Burnley didn't look like anything out of the ordinary or hit us with some state of the art tactics though. They're distinctly average IMO. This is the 2nd match in a row and about the 4th match in total that Lambert has basically thrown with poor substitutions and missed tactical changes. What winds me up a lot is that we even think Burnley can come to Stoke and win/draw and it's OK. It's not OK, Burnley should be 3 points every day of the week at home for us. This is Stoke mate. We are just in a mess. Burnley may look average, but 53 points for a club of their size says they are not. They have done well in what is arguably the poorest overall Premier League campaign since its conception. It will go down in the history books for them but in the grand scheme of things, it doesn't really stand out any more than normal right now. I don't look at Burnley and think 'woah, they are ace'. I've seen Burnley more than a few times this season and you honestly couldn't write it sometimes. To say Lady Luck has played her part... I am not expecting any Stoke manager to be Sir Alex MK2 but to say his managerial thought processes haven't had an impact on vital club defining results is wrong. He wasn't culpable for the first say, 6 results or so, but since then we have looked like one of his teams in style and still not pulled up any trees. Relegation battle games are not like normal games either, you have to plan for every scenario in the game beforehand so you can be the first to act accordingly. He was nearly there yesterday but got it the wrong way around - rather than starting with his Plan B (4-4-2), it should have been the option we've used later on in the match. This is Premier League football, not Lad's N Dad's down Longton Park. There is no foresight, there is no linear path the team takes to win. Nothing.
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Post by foster on Apr 23, 2018 9:00:12 GMT
Quite why Southampton, West Ham and Swansea gave their new managers a contract until the end of the season but we decided to go down the 2.5 year you’re is truly mind blowing/ staggering call it what you want Lambert seems a genuinely lovely bloke whose come in to huge internal problems and deserves much credit but his team selections and in game substitutions are head shakers He’s not the man to take us forward Hopefully there is a relegation clause in there, knowing scholes, no chance. Scholes will probably get a bonus related to the parachute payments, decreased wage bill and outgoing transfer funds generated by selling off our star players on the cheap.
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Post by Gods on Apr 23, 2018 9:01:19 GMT
Here's a stat for anyone who still doesn't think we have got worse since he came here apart from the obvious one that we never ever win a game of football.
We went to Burnley away a few short months ago and lost 1-0 but managed 7 shots on target to 2 from the home side.
We took on the same opponents at home yesterday in what Lambert described as the most critical match in the last 10 years and drew 1-1 but this time Burnley managed 7 shots on target to 3 from us.
We're said to now be super fit and clean from trouble makers and according to Lambert in a 'rich vein of form' and yet we barely any longer exist as an attacking force.
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Post by thegift on Apr 23, 2018 9:04:46 GMT
Here's a stat for anyone who still doesn't think we have got worse since he came here apart from the obvious one that we never ever win a game of football. We went to Burnley away a few short months ago and lost 1-0 but managed 7 shots on target to 2 from the home side. We took on the same opponents at home yesterday in what Lambert described as the most critical match in the last 10 years and drew 1-1 but this to.e Burnley managed 7 shots on target to 3 from us. We're said to now be super fit and clean from trouble makers and according to Lambert in a 'rich vein of form and yet we barely exist as an attacking force. Christ above that's bad reading
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Post by dirtygary69 on Apr 23, 2018 9:15:59 GMT
I've slept on this and I'm even more worried now. If we allow Lambert to stay in charge, with Cartwright and Scholes still doing their bit, I really do fear we could be the next Sunderland. I said last week that if we keep enough of a squad together then we should be alright in the league below but having seen Lambert's tactics, subs and the bare facts, it makes me go cold. I can just imagine turning up next season having to watch us battle to a 17th place finish with him in charge.
He's shit and he needs to go. We need to go into next season with a bit of impetus and fresh ideas - we don't need a manager at the club who has played a significant part in our relegation. As soon as we hit a bad run, the fans will be on his back and it'll be Hughes all over again.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Apr 23, 2018 9:22:07 GMT
It's not his fault Diouf is fucking shite. However it is his fault he didnt bring anyone in to replace Diouf ...who is fucking shite. You can't blame him for not bringing players in when he was only appointed himself half way through the window. Signing players isn't like simply going down to the footballer supermarket and picking one off the shelf. You're right though, Diouf IS ... fucking shite. Allelulia somebody talking sense. Lambert isn’t in anyway to blame for our current plight. He inherited a squad with little or no discipline that was leaking goals like a sieve, short of fitness, couldn’t give a shit attitude with no fight in them, and most importantly strikers who can’t hit the sea from the upper-deck of a ship. How was he meant to sort that out in two weeks of a transfer window. Yes his subs, like Hughes, have been questionable but he has tightened up the defence and instilled discipline and improved fitness levels. Imo it’s a testimony to how bad we were in January that he has been unable to avoid relegation. I would back him to stay and build his own squad whilst getting rid of the wasters. It would be a real coup to hold on to Joe Allen and build the team around him and Ireland with Ryan, BMI, and Bauer as the mainstay defence.
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Apr 23, 2018 9:33:19 GMT
I don't think anyone will make him the main scapegoat for our problems, but ultimately he's not good enough for the job.
Lambert not being to blame for our problems isn't a good enough reason for him to carry on in the job.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Apr 23, 2018 11:34:26 GMT
Why have I got a feeling that Lambert knows he is a goner and the new man is going to be Mick McCarthy? Hope you're right and wrong. Hope Lambert goes at the end of the season but Christ, McCarthy would be a sideways step at best
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2018 11:41:02 GMT
You can't blame him for not bringing players in when he was only appointed himself half way through the window. Signing players isn't like simply going down to the footballer supermarket and picking one off the shelf. You're right though, Diouf IS ... fucking shite. Allelulia somebody talking sense. Lambert isn’t in anyway to blame for our current plight. He inherited a squad with little or no discipline that was leaking goals like a sieve, short of fitness, couldn’t give a shit attitude with no fight in them, and most importantly strikers who can’t hit the sea from the upper-deck of a ship. How was he meant to sort that out in two weeks of a transfer window. Yes his subs, like Hughes, have been questionable but he has tightened up the defence and instilled discipline and improved fitness levels. Imo it’s a testimony to how bad we were in January that he has been unable to avoid relegation. I would back him to stay and build his own squad whilst getting rid of the wasters. It would be a real coup to hold on to Joe Allen and build the team around him and Ireland with Ryan, BMI, and Bauer as the mainstay defence. I'm of the same opinion about Lambert, up until the sub yesterday. I (wrongly) assumed that Bauer has been brought off for fitness issues over the course of the last two games. Lambert confirmed in his interview, quoting another poster on here, that it was tactical. It certainly isn't the reason we're going down (it doesn't even register on that scale) and there were far too many histrionics about it yesterday evening on here, but it certainly questions a few things about him. It's those kind of things that aren't and never will be affected by how much money you have to spend, and to a degree, what players you have available. It was weird enough to see him start on the left to begin with!
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Post by ColonelMustard on Apr 23, 2018 11:41:05 GMT
I still can't really blame Lambert to be honest. We had chances in past few games and howlers by the likes Butland, Adam and Diouf have cost us dearly. I know it's been said a million times before but he really has been kneecapped in terms of the players he's got. If we had other options up front instead of Diouf (Shit), Crouch (Old), Jese (Cunt) and Saido (Bigger-Cunt) then we wouldn't be in this mess. In the games we've had we've had chances to score and our lack of quality has cost us more than our tactics. He chose to take the job foster. He told us all he knew the team like the back of his hand, and if that was the case, why take the job on knowing how BAD the players are? Because he thought he could tighten up the leakiest defence in Europe and just get enough out of the rest. He's failed by a narrow margine.
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Post by thegift on Apr 23, 2018 11:47:28 GMT
He chose to take the job foster. He told us all he knew the team like the back of his hand, and if that was the case, why take the job on knowing how BAD the players are? Because he thought he could tighten up the leakiest defence in Europe and just get enough out of the rest. He's failed by a narrow margine. I want to agree, but a narrow margine? 1 win in 12, soon to be 13
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Apr 23, 2018 11:49:17 GMT
Im really worried for next season in the Championship now.
Theres no way he can be kept on after his disastrous run of results.
Does anyone have genuine ITK knowledge on where the board sit at the moment on retaining Lambert's services?
Im not expecting any public comments from Coates until we are mathematically down but surely he must be maneuvering for a new manager behind the scenes
Moyes could be a good manager for us in the Championship if PC continues his desire to hire British managers
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Apr 23, 2018 11:54:18 GMT
NO. The moment he was appointed I knew we were down. If he is still here next season,we could well do a Sunderland,he is that fucking bad,he makes the likes of Kamara and Ball look like good managers,to do that you have to be seriously fucking shit,which Lambert is.
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Post by Veritas on Apr 23, 2018 12:00:23 GMT
NO. The moment he was appointed I knew we were down. If he is still here next season,we could well do a Sunderland,he is that fucking bad,he makes the likes of Kamara and Ball look like good managers,to do that you have to be seriously fucking shit,which Lambert is. I too would like us to replace him in the summer and he will be damned by his record here but I don't think he is anywhere near as bad as you are making out. If he had been given a striker who could actually score he would I am sure scraped enough points to get to safety, at which point I would have said thanks and paid him off.
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Post by cousindupree on Apr 23, 2018 12:07:51 GMT
I am staggered that some people would be happy with Lambert still here next season. His record is absolutely appalling by next weekend it will be one win in 13 which is a staggering 8% win ratio. even the 'one win' was hardly down to him as he had been here just a week. People seem to think tightening us up defensively is some masterstroke. It's been achieved at the expense of completely delivering any attacking threat. Even League 2 managers can make their teams hard to beat....his stats 9 pts and 9 goals in 12 games and people think he is the man to completely rebuild our team and take us forward? Christ on a bike!
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Post by westgatelakes on Apr 23, 2018 12:58:30 GMT
Lambert was in a no-win situation with his substitutions yesterday in my opinion. Johnson apparently felt a twinge in his groin so was replaced by Zouma. Diouf had to be replaced for his own sake and Campbell was the only forward on the bench, although Ramadan could have been an option. We needed another body in midfield as Allen & Badou were getting overrun 2nd half, so Ireland was introduced. Shaqiri should probably have been subbed as opposed to Bauer but I suppose Lambert thought that he was more likely to score than Bauer ? The response from the crowd would also have been interesting should he have subbed Shaqiri instead of Bauer.
To conclude, I believe that it was not the substitutions which were baffling, but the selection of Johnson at right back instead of Bauer with Bauer being stuck out at left midfield in the first place which was strange.
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