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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2018 21:15:59 GMT
I can confirm the Bauer substitution was met with complete incredulity by two senior figures at the club , I sense results are taking the issue out of there hands , like Hughes they would like to stick but are beginning to realise they can’t sfford to , and obviously sacking lambert saves some other hgh profile skins . Who were these "senior figures"?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2018 21:45:21 GMT
Having seen his team selections and substitutions for the last 4 matches or so, I've wondered if he knows exactly what he's doing... trying to get the last 2 years of his contract paid off early...
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Post by Gary Hackett on Apr 22, 2018 21:46:53 GMT
We were winning though when he had to make the Johnson sub, maybe he didn't want to change things too much. The real problem was playing Johnson in the first place as he's just not fit enough to last 90 mins. Bauer is a better right back than Zouma though ... whether we were winning, drawing, or losing at the time. Indeed he is but Ireland isn't a left winger either. He used a like for like sub as we were winning and clearly didn't want to change things. If Johnson had lasted 4 more minutes until they'd scored i'm sure he'd have put Bauer at RB and changed things, that's my point.
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Post by AlliG on Apr 22, 2018 21:46:54 GMT
To a point I agree with those who say Lambert has been dealt a pretty poor hand to play in the time he has been here. However, I don't see that the Board expected him to manage just the one win when he was appointed. If the team is lacking in attacking quality, there is one area where a new manager can make an immediate impact and that is on dead ball situations. A half decent manager (and coaching staff) should have the team practicing set pieces every spare moment of the week to pinch a couple of additional goals from corners or free kicks and to concede a couple less. Our set pieces (at both ends) are as useless as they have ever been. Some of his selections, tactics and substitutions seem to be becoming even more bizarre. I still have no idea how Glen Johnson has found himself back in the team. He might not have been quite as bad as expected but I can't think of a single thing he has done that Bauer or Edwards couldn't have done as well or better. (And when it comes to that free kick my imaginary cat is very relieved that he is not real tonight! ) Sticking Bauer on the left wing today was a masterstroke right out of the Ryan Shotton is a right winger book. That the one significant quality attacking move came when Shakiri drifted inside and played Bauer in down the right to play a quality cross on the run just seemed to emphasis the bizarreness of the decision. I would have thought by now he would have realised that Crouch is an impact sub not a starter and that of all the teams in the Premier League Burnley are the best equipped to deal with the long ball straight down the middle to Crouch. If we in the stands could see that Burnley were using Cork to block Crouch's run at the ball leaving the central defender with an easy clearing header, why couldn't the bloke we pay to notice these things (and to adapt the approach)? His substitutions today were baffling and just resulted in us losing what little control of the ball we had. In a game we desperately need to win we didn't manage one decent cross from wide in the second half and the Burnley keeper could have joined me in the stand and read his Sunday newspaper. Why not keep it simple and drop Bauer back to his usual place when Johnson went off and bring on Ramadan to try and improve our retention of the ball to protect the lead or, move Bauer, bring on Campbell up front and move Diouf out to the left to give some width or even bring on Ireland, play him just behind Crouch and push Diouf out wide? Once we had Crouch and Campbell up front the ball straight down the middle was food and during for the Burnley defence, We needed to try a different angle of approach so where was the width supposed to come from to get crosses into the box for knock downs? Instead of restricting ourselves to "yesterday's men" we should have been looking to the future with a modern ambitious manager. Unlike some others I don't have any problem with players seeing Stoke as a stepping stone to bigger and better things and the same should apply to the manager. I would rather see us employ someone who wants to be the "next" Pochettino or Klopp for 2 or 3 years before they move up the ladder than the usual bunch of chancers and failures that seem to end on our short list.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 22, 2018 22:12:54 GMT
Bauer is a better right back than Zouma though ... whether we were winning, drawing, or losing at the time. Indeed he is but Ireland isn't a left winger either. He used a like for like sub as we were winning and clearly didn't want to change things. If Johnson had lasted 4 more minutes until they'd scored i'm sure he'd have put Bauer at RB and changed things, that's my point. And Zouma isn't a right back either. So we ended up with TWO players playing out of position, when it could have been just one and we even used up a substitution we didn't need to make to achieve it!
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Post by houstonsteve on Apr 22, 2018 22:31:30 GMT
Sack him now. Was mediocre 15 years ago and not sure what he is now. Obsolete? Inadequate? Incompetent?
Dereliction of duty at all senior levels of decision making at Stoke.
No way back from this and we are following Sunderland if a certain set of circumstances prevail in the next 6 months........
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Post by andystokey on Apr 22, 2018 22:33:31 GMT
Indeed he is but Ireland isn't a left winger either. He used a like for like sub as we were winning and clearly didn't want to change things. If Johnson had lasted 4 more minutes until they'd scored i'm sure he'd have put Bauer at RB and changed things, that's my point. And Zouma isn't a right back either. So we ended up with TWO players playing out of position, when it could have been just one and we even used up a substitution we didn't need to make to achieve it! Worse still we lost the one guy with boundless energy and we sunk backwards. We should've put Bauer in his natural position. Allowing the later sub of Ireland for any of the three up front. Frankly it was Shaq for Ireland all day long but he bottled that too.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Apr 23, 2018 6:24:14 GMT
We were winning though when he had to make the Johnson sub, maybe he didn't want to change things too much. The real problem was playing Johnson in the first place as he's just not fit enough to last 90 mins. Bauer is a better right back than Zouma though ... whether we were winning, drawing, or losing at the time. True, I thought he probably wanted the height. We'd come come under a few crosses and corners.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 23, 2018 6:39:49 GMT
Bauer is a better right back than Zouma though ... whether we were winning, drawing, or losing at the time. True, I thought he probably wanted the height. We'd come come under a few crosses and corners. How did that go?
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Post by geoff321 on Apr 23, 2018 6:45:48 GMT
This was always going to be a difficult game, Burnley have the 6th best away record in the PL, with only 4 defeats in 18 games.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Apr 23, 2018 6:54:11 GMT
True, I thought he probably wanted the height. We'd come come under a few crosses and corners. How did that go? The problem was identified, the solution didn't solve it. By that ratiinale do we think taking Bauer off the wing and put into full back would have changed the goal?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 23, 2018 6:55:19 GMT
The problem was identified, the solution didn't solve it. By that ratiinale do we think taking Bauer off the wing and put into full back would have changed the goal? No. It might have given us more hope of getting another one though.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Apr 23, 2018 7:16:38 GMT
The problem was identified, the solution didn't solve it. By that ratiinale do we think taking Bauer off the wing and put into full back would have changed the goal? No. It might have given us more hope of getting another one though. And that's where it becomes relevant we were 1 nil up. I'm not saying it was absolutely and obviously the right move, I dont think there was one. In this squad now, there are very few no brainer decisions. I just thought the thinking was reasonable through the timeline.
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Post by foster on Apr 23, 2018 7:19:33 GMT
May as well give him until the end of the season and perhaps the summer to clear out the shit in the team. I'd like to know (which we won't) what his plans are before sacking him. If he plans a complete overhaul including getting rid of Saido and developing a more attack minded side then I'm fine with him staying.
I'd like to see some heads roll and if he doesn't have the strength of character to assert himself and do what needs to be done then I want him gone.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 23, 2018 7:26:43 GMT
No. It might have given us more hope of getting another one though. And that's where it becomes relevant we were 1 nil up. I'm not saying it was absolutely and obviously the right move, I dont think there was one. In this squad now, there are very few no brainer decisions. I just thought the thinking was reasonable through the timeline. 1-0 is never really enough when you're crap at keeping clean sheets though. He keeps making changes that invite the opposition onto us and he's another who doesn't quite seem to understand the value of pace and having an out ball late in games. At times he displays the most frustrating Pulis traits without any of the positive ones.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Apr 23, 2018 7:35:42 GMT
And that's where it becomes relevant we were 1 nil up. I'm not saying it was absolutely and obviously the right move, I dont think there was one. In this squad now, there are very few no brainer decisions. I just thought the thinking was reasonable through the timeline. 1-0 is never really enough when you're crap at keeping clean sheets though. He keeps making changes that invite the opposition onto us and he's another who doesn't quite seem to understand the value of pace and having an out ball late in games. At times he displays the most frustrating Pulis traits without any of the positive ones. Similarly at 1 nil you have to try to make it enough and keep the clean sheet when you are so unlikely to score more than 1. We can go round in circles here forever.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2018 7:38:46 GMT
I would rather see us employ someone who wants to be the "next" Pochettino or Klopp for 2 or 3 years before they move up the ladder than the usual bunch of chancers and failures that seem to end on our short list. "This time, we need someone who is "lively and inventive", Dad" "I know just the man! His younger brother Martin was in Spandau Ballet"
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 23, 2018 7:40:13 GMT
1-0 is never really enough when you're crap at keeping clean sheets though. He keeps making changes that invite the opposition onto us and he's another who doesn't quite seem to understand the value of pace and having an out ball late in games. At times he displays the most frustrating Pulis traits without any of the positive ones. Similarly at 1 nil you have to try to make it enough and keep the clean sheet when you are so unlikely to score more than 1. We can go round in circles here forever. We're pretty bad at 'making it enough' to be fair. Whereas at the other end you can't win the lottery if you don't buy a ticket. It is amusing how the new manager playing centre halves at full back, other players out of position and going all out defence is making a few hearts go fluttery though. Ange is virtually measuring him for his baseball cap.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 23, 2018 7:42:54 GMT
This was always going to be a difficult game, Burnley have the 6th best away record in the PL, with only 4 defeats in 18 games. I certainly didn't expect an easy game geoff but I did expect a hell of a lot more than I got in that second half. Quite what the managers message was at half time I don't know but that coupled with insane substitutions handed the entire initiative to Burnley and that is unforgivable, It's clear to me now that Lambert is not the man but it seems that we will be plotting our return with Lambert, Cartwright and Scholes leading the charge. Good luck selling any more season tickets at full price, Peter.
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Post by thevoid on Apr 23, 2018 7:46:11 GMT
Nige asked him if the Bauer sub was a tactical one or if he was actually carrying a knock. Lambert (almost gleefully) told him that it most certainly was and his decision would have been vindicated if the Ireland shot had curled in. Shakes head ... Do we think there are any circumstances that would make his position untenable, even with the 2.5 year contract? The fact that he's wank?
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Post by thevoid on Apr 23, 2018 7:54:12 GMT
Lambert should be sacked for bringing that shower of shit Johnson back into the team.
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Post by thegift on Apr 23, 2018 7:54:30 GMT
I can confirm the Bauer substitution was met with complete incredulity by two senior figures at the club , I sense results are taking the issue out of there hands , like Hughes they would like to stick but are beginning to realise they can’t sfford to , and obviously sacking lambert saves some other hgh profile skins . Explain. Who were these 2 'figures'
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Post by geoff321 on Apr 23, 2018 8:06:39 GMT
This was always going to be a difficult game, Burnley have the 6th best away record in the PL, with only 4 defeats in 18 games. I certainly didn't expect an easy game geoff but I did expect a hell of a lot more than I got in that second half. Quite what the managers message was at half time I don't know but that coupled with insane substitutions handed the entire initiative to Burnley and that is unforgivable, It's clear to me now that Lambert is not the man but it seems that we will be plotting our return with Lambert, Cartwright and Scholes leading the charge. Good luck selling any more season tickets at full price, Peter. I'm not defending Lambert momo, just saying that there are two managers involved in a game and Dyche seems to know how to get results especially away from home. So when people consider the changes to players and tactics Lambert made during the game, they also need to look at what Dyche did and whether that resulted in the turn round in the second half. Clearly if Burnley have only lost 4 away games, then better teams than Stoke and better managers than Lambert have failed to beat them this season.
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Post by vahl on Apr 23, 2018 8:13:07 GMT
I certainly didn't expect an easy game geoff but I did expect a hell of a lot more than I got in that second half. Quite what the managers message was at half time I don't know but that coupled with insane substitutions handed the entire initiative to Burnley and that is unforgivable, It's clear to me now that Lambert is not the man but it seems that we will be plotting our return with Lambert, Cartwright and Scholes leading the charge. Good luck selling any more season tickets at full price, Peter. I'm not defending Lambert momo, just saying that there are two managers involved in a game and Dyche seems to know how to get results especially away from home. So when people consider the changes to players and tactics Lambert made during the game, they also need to look at what Dyche did and whether that resulted in the turn round in the second half. Clearly if Burnley have only lost 4 away games, then better teams than Stoke and better managers than Lambert have failed to beat them this season. Burnley didn't look like anything out of the ordinary or hit us with some state of the art tactics though. They're distinctly average IMO. This is the 2nd match in a row and about the 4th match in total that Lambert has basically thrown with poor substitutions and missed tactical changes. What winds me up a lot is that we even think Burnley can come to Stoke and win/draw and it's OK. It's not OK, Burnley should be 3 points every day of the week at home for us. This is Stoke mate. We are just in a mess.
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Post by foster on Apr 23, 2018 8:23:14 GMT
I still can't really blame Lambert to be honest.
We had chances in past few games and howlers by the likes Butland, Adam and Diouf have cost us dearly.
I know it's been said a million times before but he really has been kneecapped in terms of the players he's got. If we had other options up front instead of Diouf (Shit), Crouch (Old), Jese (Cunt) and Saido (Bigger-Cunt) then we wouldn't be in this mess. In the games we've had we've had chances to score and our lack of quality has cost us more than our tactics.
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Post by thegift on Apr 23, 2018 8:27:46 GMT
I still can't really blame Lambert to be honest. We had chances in past few games and howlers by the likes Butland, Adam and Diouf have cost us dearly. I know it's been said a million times before but he really has been kneecapped in terms of the players he's got. If we had other options up front instead of Diouf (Shit), Crouch (Old), Jese (Cunt) and Saido (Bigger-Cunt) then we wouldn't be in this mess. In the games we've had we've had chances to score and our lack of quality has cost us more than our tactics. He chose to take the job foster. He told us all he knew the team like the back of his hand, and if that was the case, why take the job on knowing how BAD the players are?
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Post by geoff321 on Apr 23, 2018 8:28:16 GMT
I'm not defending Lambert momo, just saying that there are two managers involved in a game and Dyche seems to know how to get results especially away from home. So when people consider the changes to players and tactics Lambert made during the game, they also need to look at what Dyche did and whether that resulted in the turn round in the second half. Clearly if Burnley have only lost 4 away games, then better teams than Stoke and better managers than Lambert have failed to beat them this season. Burnley didn't look like anything out of the ordinary or hit us with some state of the art tactics though. They're distinctly average IMO. This is the 2nd match in a row and about the 4th match in total that Lambert has basically thrown with poor substitutions and missed tactical changes. What winds me up a lot is that we even think Burnley can come to Stoke and win/draw and it's OK. It's not OK, Burnley should be 3 points every day of the week at home for us. This is Stoke mate. We are just in a mess. Burnley may look average, but 53 points for a club of their size says they are not.
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Post by foster on Apr 23, 2018 8:30:39 GMT
I still can't really blame Lambert to be honest. We had chances in past few games and howlers by the likes Butland, Adam and Diouf have cost us dearly. I know it's been said a million times before but he really has been kneecapped in terms of the players he's got. If we had other options up front instead of Diouf (Shit), Crouch (Old), Jese (Cunt) and Saido (Bigger-Cunt) then we wouldn't be in this mess. In the games we've had we've had chances to score and our lack of quality has cost us more than our tactics. He chose to take the job foster. He told us all he knew the team like the back of his hand, and if that was the case, why take the job on knowing how BAD the players are? Well, he was unemployed and needed a job I'll be first to admit bullshitting my way through a job interview.
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Post by thegift on Apr 23, 2018 8:31:34 GMT
He chose to take the job foster. He told us all he knew the team like the back of his hand, and if that was the case, why take the job on knowing how BAD the players are? Well, he was unemployed and needed a job I'll be first to admit bullshitting my way through a job interview. Well that's fine, but if you fail then at your job, regardless of bullshiting the interview you have to take the blame, Lambert, likewise.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2018 8:35:12 GMT
Why have I got a feeling that Lambert knows he is a goner and the new man is going to be Mick McCarthy?
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