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Post by thegift on Apr 17, 2018 8:09:30 GMT
More negativity, but also realistic honesty. Coates won't spend the money required and needed.
With Allen, Shaqiri, (Badou) Indi, Bauer (maybe) Zouma, Butland Going, that leaves us again with such an unbalanced, slow, old, outdated squad.
Even at 1-0 up, and at 0-0 it was absolutely dire. We never looked like we were interested in winning. We were set up to lose. This is simply not good enough.
Some of you may think i wanted to lose tonight, 'to be proven right' i can assure you i sat at home after the game and sat in silence facing the wall for a long time after. Relegation although knowing in my head it was happening, in my heart i still had hope. Last night was tough to swallow.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2018 8:21:50 GMT
I think that goes for a lot of us mate !
As they say it's the hope that kills you - last night basically extinguished any glimmer.
We're gone !
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Post by danceswithclams on Apr 17, 2018 8:26:22 GMT
I read the title of this thread in the style of Russel Mael off of Sparks.
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Post by wuzza on Apr 17, 2018 8:29:54 GMT
It certainly isn’t and the over riding fear is that we are so hamstrung paying the contracts of players who will make no contribution ever again we won’t have enough left over to do the rebuilding required.
MH has left a significant legacy.
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Post by chamberlain on Apr 17, 2018 9:03:31 GMT
It certainly isn’t and the over riding fear is that we are so hamstrung paying the contracts of players who will make no contribution ever again we won’t have enough left over to do the rebuilding required. MH has left a significant legacy. He has but if you listen to some on here he had three 9 th place finishes you know so it’s alright |
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Post by sufolkstokie on Apr 17, 2018 9:12:24 GMT
No shit Sherlock
Sadly some think we will bounce straight back with that bunch
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Post by itsmorethanagame on Apr 17, 2018 9:20:58 GMT
The key is keeping Shawcross, Indi, Bauer and Badou here for next season. They will give us a platform to build a solid team around. Recruitment will be absolutely critical and a defensive midfielder, two wingers and quality striker (probably two) are essential. We will no doubt be hamstrung by the high earning wasters on our books but with the income from Butland, Shaq and Allen, that’s approximately 75m in the coffers. We will need to spend half of that if we are to challenge for promotion.
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Apr 17, 2018 9:28:28 GMT
The key is keeping Shawcross, Indi, Bauer and Badou here for next season. They will give us a platform to build a solid team around. Recruitment will be absolutely critical and a defensive midfielder, two wingers and quality striker (probably two) are essential. We will no doubt be hamstrung by the high earning wasters on our books but with the income from Butland, Shaq and Allen, that’s approximately 75m in the coffers. We will need to spend half of that if we are to challenge for promotion. Agree completely, IMO we should put in bids for Dwight Gayle and Sam Vokes first. Neither are premier league quality and I believe the clubs would sell them for the right price. They would score enough goals for us in the Championship. |
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Post by unknown182 on Apr 17, 2018 9:29:20 GMT
We need 6-7 players in at least.
If we can try and keep the back four together for at least one season it will be huge (Pieters- Indi - Shawcross - Bauer)
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Post by leoncort on Apr 17, 2018 9:32:10 GMT
I think most people are aware this squad isn't good enough for top 6 in the championship, and it certainly won't be when we lose Jack, Shaq and Allen.
Hopefully the board recognise this and invest in the squad, we can only hope that they do. But, if the last 18 months are anything to go buy, we will buy useless players and struggle in the Championship for years to come.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Apr 17, 2018 9:45:35 GMT
I read the title of this thread in the style of Russel Mael off of Sparks. But it's us that's gonna lose! |
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Post by peterthornesboots on Apr 17, 2018 9:52:48 GMT
More negativity, but also realistic honesty. Coates won't spend the money required and needed. With Allen, Shaqiri, (Badou) Indi, Bauer (maybe) Zouma, Butland Going, that leaves us again with such an unbalanced, slow, old, outdated squad. Even at 1-0 up, and at 0-0 it was absolutely dire. We never looked like we were interested in winning. We were set up to lose. This is simply not good enough. Some of you may think i wanted to lose tonight, 'to be proven right' i can assure you i sat at home after the game and sat in silence facing the wall for a long time after. Relegation although knowing in my head it was happening, in my heart i still had hope. Last night was tough to swallow. I would echo much of this. Some people seem to think that we will immediately bounce back up at the first time of asking, but realistically I think that we will have a lot of work to do just be competive. Butland, Zouma, Allen, Shaqiri will all be gone. Badu, Ramadan, Martins Indi, Bauer, Choupo-Moting, Bojan and Imbula will not want to play in the second tier. That leaves us with an aging team that are past their best and a handful of promising youngsters. There will be a hell of rebuilding job to be done! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2018 10:03:17 GMT
A defence of BMI, Shawcross, Pieters and Zouma should not be getting relegated, their performance last night showed this.
Last night highlighted the real problem - summer recruitment was beyond bad.
If we had signed Bauer in the summer and a left-sided full back we would not be in this position. If we had spent £30 million on a replacement for Arnautovic we would not be in this position either, regardless of who the manager is.
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Post by Stokyo on Apr 17, 2018 10:17:33 GMT
Neither are the ceo and chairman, we are going to drop like a fucking stone, we are a shambles, I feel sorry for anyone working at the ground/club shop/secretary/customer service level, they are going to be out on their arses very soon and up jobseekers because our billionaire owners bought in no striker and a pub manager, Im livid.
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Post by 3putts on Apr 17, 2018 10:30:12 GMT
ffs did I watch a different game? should we go down we will see big changes. and if diouf was a striker we would have won easily last night and probably on Saturday. that is something that needs to be rectified in the summer.
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Post by OldStokie on Apr 17, 2018 10:32:24 GMT
The Championship is usually won by a blend of good players mixed with one hundred percenters. We should still have a fair few decent players if we go down, so it will be up to Lambert to unearth the battlers. He'll have to try and emulate what Dyche has done so successfully. Whether he can do it, if we do go down, remains to be seen. One thing he has done since he came here is stopped the rot of us being easy pushovers. Only Man City have cruised past us. All the other games have been a mixture of some bad play, some bad luck, some poor substitutions, and a complete absence of a natural goalscorer.
OS.
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Post by thevoid on Apr 17, 2018 10:38:08 GMT
I've accepted relegation for a long time.
Let's be honest if we somehow survived with our tactically bankrupt manager and penny-pinching chairman, we'd just be a laughing stock at this level next season. Especially as at least one of the promoted teams- Wolves- would be stronger than ourselves.
I can take a drop down if it brings about wholesale change at the club. Not sure it'll happen though.
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 17, 2018 10:46:55 GMT
It certainly isn’t and the over riding fear is that we are so hamstrung paying the contracts of players who will make no contribution ever again we won’t have enough left over to do the rebuilding required. MH has left a significant legacy. I said months ago that Hughes was wrecking the club and got lambasted by the apologists on here, how it has been allowed to get to this state is a disgrace hopefully Mark Hughes gets relegated with Southampton and never gets another job in top flight football ever again, the man is a arrogant shit headed fraud. |
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Post by FrankButcher on Apr 17, 2018 10:47:59 GMT
It certainly isn’t and the over riding fear is that we are so hamstrung paying the contracts of players who will make no contribution ever again we won’t have enough left over to do the rebuilding required. MH has left a significant legacy. QPR 2.0 plus the fact the OP made can't see coates spending what's required to revamp the whole squad and push for promotion instead we could be facing a frustrating summer where we are left to scrap off free transfers and loans while coates cashes in his parachute payments and the money gained from the sale of our most valuable players. |
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Post by thegift on Apr 17, 2018 10:48:20 GMT
It certainly isn’t and the over riding fear is that we are so hamstrung paying the contracts of players who will make no contribution ever again we won’t have enough left over to do the rebuilding required. MH has left a significant legacy. I said months ago that Hughes was wrecking the club and got lambasted by the apologists on here, how it has been allowed to get to this state is a disgrace hopefully Mark Hughes gets relegated with Southampton and never gets another job in top flight football ever again, the man is a arrogant shit headed fraud. x2 on this I hope to god he gets relegated, stays at southampton and returns to the bet365 next season. World war 3 is brewing |
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Apr 17, 2018 10:54:00 GMT
Grant
Baur Ryan Indi Pieters
New Badu
New Ireland New
New
So four positions to fill in the first 11 and approx 80m to do it.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Apr 17, 2018 11:06:16 GMT
Is Choupo being sold then? Also, we're bound to use the loan system again. And, do you really think Ireland will be given another contract by Paul Lambert? His current one ends at the end of this season and Lambert wasn't his biggest fan at Villa.
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Post by thegift on Apr 17, 2018 11:11:03 GMT
Is Choupo being sold then? Also, we're bound to use the loan system again. And, do you really think Ireland will be given another contract by Paul Lambert? His current one ends at the end of this season and Lambert wasn't his biggest fan at Villa. Couldn't believe he brought him on last night. |
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Post by Rick Grimes on Apr 17, 2018 11:11:49 GMT
I’m expecting Shaqiri and Butland to be out of the door but I’m hoping some of the other better players we have realise that they’re partly responsible for the mess we find ourselves in and stay with us in the Championship.
There’s no doubt we’ve got some deadwood at the club that need moving on or replacing but I think with a few decent additions we’ve got a good chance of coming straight back up. I certainly expect Coates to throw some money at it.
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Post by thegift on Apr 17, 2018 11:13:08 GMT
I’m expecting Shaqiri and Butland to be out of the door but I’m hoping some of the other better players we have realise that they’re partly responsible for the mess we find ourselves in and stay with us in the Championship. There’s no doubt we’ve got some deadwood at the club that need moving on or replacing but I think with a few decent additions we’ve got a good chance of coming straight back up. I certainly expect Coates to throw some money at it. I like your idea mate but none of them will give a fuck about the mess they have created. No one has a continence any more in football. All about the ££££ |
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Post by Rick Grimes on Apr 17, 2018 11:14:12 GMT
Is Choupo being sold then? Also, we're bound to use the loan system again. And, do you really think Ireland will be given another contract by Paul Lambert? His current one ends at the end of this season and Lambert wasn't his biggest fan at Villa. I don’t think the situation at Villa was anything to do with not liking Ireland. My understanding is that ‘bomb’ squad was made up of high earners that were not played for financial reasons, bonuses, automatic contract extensions etc. |
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Post by Rick Grimes on Apr 17, 2018 11:17:16 GMT
I’m expecting Shaqiri and Butland to be out of the door but I’m hoping some of the other better players we have realise that they’re partly responsible for the mess we find ourselves in and stay with us in the Championship. There’s no doubt we’ve got some deadwood at the club that need moving on or replacing but I think with a few decent additions we’ve got a good chance of coming straight back up. I certainly expect Coates to throw some money at it. I like your idea mate but none of them will give a fuck about the mess they have created. No one has a continence any more in football. All about the ££££ Do we know if the club have got wage reduction clauses if we’re relegated? |
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Post by ursemboys on Apr 17, 2018 11:18:33 GMT
The key is keeping Shawcross, Indi, Bauer and Badou here for next season. They will give us a platform to build a solid team around. Recruitment will be absolutely critical and a defensive midfielder, two wingers and quality striker (probably two) are essential. We will no doubt be hamstrung by the high earning wasters on our books but with the income from Butland, Shaq and Allen, that’s approximately 75m in the coffers. We will need to spend half of that if we are to challenge for promotion. agree but not convinced about Shawcross ,he just does not seem to be able jump for headers since his injury ,he was lucky not give a penalty away last night, he just seems to grapple players.i hope he does stay and a close season gives him time to sort his back out but i am not convinced , just possibly Wimmer might become the player a few Spurs friends say he was when he was there but not holding my breath |
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Post by thegift on Apr 17, 2018 11:25:36 GMT
I like your idea mate but none of them will give a fuck about the mess they have created. No one has a continence any more in football. All about the ££££ Do we know if the club have got wage reduction clauses if we’re relegated? No one knows, knowing Teflon, probably not. |
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Post by jimmygscfc on Apr 17, 2018 11:50:12 GMT
The key is keeping Shawcross, Indi, Bauer and Badou here for next season. They will give us a platform to build a solid team around. Recruitment will be absolutely critical and a defensive midfielder, two wingers and quality striker (probably two) are essential. We will no doubt be hamstrung by the high earning wasters on our books but with the income from Butland, Shaq and Allen, that’s approximately 75m in the coffers. We will need to spend half of that if we are to challenge for promotion. agree but not convinced about Shawcross ,he just does not seem to be able jump for headers since his injury ,he was lucky not give a penalty away last night, he just seems to grapple players.i hope he does stay and a close season gives him time to sort his back out but i am not convinced , just possibly Wimmer might become the player a few Spurs friends say he was when he was there but not holding my breath I'm concerned about Shawcross too. He's been a great servant and I don't expect him to leave if we go down, but I not convinced he's good enough, or his body able enough, to withstand a season in the Championship or even the Premiership again. He's slowed down considerably and he was never quick. He's terribly slow to turn and gets beat easily and he tends to whack the ball out of play even when it's not necessary. He's good in the air and that's about it. I know this is a controversial opinion and I don't mean to be uncharitable to Ryan, but I wonder if there might be better options out there. He may surprise us all and request a transfer but I think he will stay. If he does, will Lambert nail his colours to the mast that is Ryan? |
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