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Post by cobhamstokey on Apr 17, 2018 19:53:47 GMT
The key is keeping Shawcross, Indi, Bauer and Badou here for next season. They will give us a platform to build a solid team around. Recruitment will be absolutely critical and a defensive midfielder, two wingers and quality striker (probably two) are essential. We will no doubt be hamstrung by the high earning wasters on our books but with the income from Butland, Shaq and Allen, that’s approximately 75m in the coffers. We will need to spend half of that if we are to challenge for promotion. Agree completely, IMO we should put in bids for Dwight Gayle and Sam Vokes first. Neither are premier league quality and I believe the clubs would sell them for the right price. They would score enough goals for us in the Championship. Spot on goals are what get you up
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Apr 17, 2018 20:24:35 GMT
Cresswell would and did score more in the championship than Ramadan ever would , see his toddlers kick in the box last night Are you really that desperate to criticise everything about the club to the point where you think Richard Cresswell is a better player than Ramadan? Dicky was good for a goal occasionally but he was a shockingly poor left winger at Championship level. It’s pure speculation on your part to say Ramadan wouldn’t be able to score goals for us next season. Said since the Boro game when he was so lauded to much abuse , Ramadan is all reputation and no delivery and seen nothing to change that , if he was from ebbsfleet Not Egypt he’d be playing three leagues lower
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Post by stokeykez on Apr 17, 2018 23:15:00 GMT
Not good enough for the Premier League? Probably. More than good enough for the Championship though. Don’t forget our left winger when we got promoted was Richard Cresswell. Cresswell would and did score more in the championship than Ramadan ever would , see his toddlers kick in the box last night The championshipnof 10nyears ago like the prem is non comparable to that of today. The intensity levels are much higher and it is again a league where predicting the results week in week out is nigh on impossible. Wolves have blown that league apart and unfortunately when we compare our team to that we are way off already. Could you possibly seeing any of our players maintaining the speed and pace of the teams that are in there at the minute.
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Post by thegift on Apr 18, 2018 1:58:51 GMT
Cresswell would and did score more in the championship than Ramadan ever would , see his toddlers kick in the box last night The championshipnof 10nyears ago like the prem is non comparable to that of today. The intensity levels are much higher and it is again a league where predicting the results week in week out is nigh on impossible. Wolves have blown that league apart and unfortunately when we compare our team to that we are way off already. Could you possibly seeing any of our players maintaining the speed and pace of the teams that are in there at the minute. I reckon for pace, we are the slowest team on average per player in the entire ENGLISH FOOTBALL LEAGUE
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Post by leoncort on Apr 18, 2018 6:50:17 GMT
Cresswell would and did score more in the championship than Ramadan ever would , see his toddlers kick in the box last night Are you really that desperate to criticise everything about the club to the point where you think Richard Cresswell is a better player than Ramadan? Dicky was good for a goal occasionally but he was a shockingly poor left winger at Championship level. It’s pure speculation on your part to say Ramadan wouldn’t be able to score goals for us next season. Ramadan is awful, he's carried game after game. its a shame becasue i like the lad and he clearly cares which half the squad dont, but he just isnt good enough. He's slow, indecisive, no end product, can't cross. None of which are ideal for a winger. Choupo might be a lazy arse but he offers 10x what ramadan does, as did richard cresswell..
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Post by mickstupp on Apr 18, 2018 8:52:40 GMT
Are you really that desperate to criticise everything about the club to the point where you think Richard Cresswell is a better player than Ramadan? Dicky was good for a goal occasionally but he was a shockingly poor left winger at Championship level. It’s pure speculation on your part to say Ramadan wouldn’t be able to score goals for us next season. Ramadan is awful, he's carried game after game. its a shame becasue i like the lad and he clearly cares which half the squad dont, but he just isnt good enough. He's slow, indecisive, no end product, can't cross. None of which are ideal for a winger. Choupo might be a lazy arse but he offers 10x what ramadan does, as did richard cresswell.. I was sort of in agreement until your last four words. Unbelievable.
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Post by leoncort on Apr 18, 2018 9:02:10 GMT
Ramadan is awful, he's carried game after game. its a shame becasue i like the lad and he clearly cares which half the squad dont, but he just isnt good enough. He's slow, indecisive, no end product, can't cross. None of which are ideal for a winger. Choupo might be a lazy arse but he offers 10x what ramadan does, as did richard cresswell.. I was sort of in agreement until your last four words. Unbelievable. They were said in Jest. But my main point is Ramadan offers the square root of fuck all and i have seen nothing to suggest he will score goals and get assists in the championship. Pace seems the way forward in the championship, Adama Traore being the prime example. Ollie Watkins too. Pace buys you and your team mates time and also offers an outball when playing away from home.
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Post by thegift on Apr 18, 2018 9:04:20 GMT
I was sort of in agreement until your last four words. Unbelievable. They were said in Jest. But my main point is Ramadan offers the square root of fuck all and i have seen nothing to suggest he will score goals and get assists in the championship. Pace seems the way forward in the championship, Adama Traore being the prime example. Ollie Watkins too. Pace buys you and your team mates time and also offers an outball when playing away from home. Read my post above. Slowest team on average per player in the entire EFL
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Post by leoncort on Apr 18, 2018 9:24:53 GMT
They were said in Jest. But my main point is Ramadan offers the square root of fuck all and i have seen nothing to suggest he will score goals and get assists in the championship. Pace seems the way forward in the championship, Adama Traore being the prime example. Ollie Watkins too. Pace buys you and your team mates time and also offers an outball when playing away from home. Read my post above. Slowest team on average per player in the entire EFL Certainly in the Premier League, probably most of the championship too. We need 2 pacey wingers and a pacey striker. Bauer is quick, Ndiaye too. 2 or 3 additions and i think we'll be alright next year. But our additions in the last 2 years have been far from inspiring to say the least.
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Post by thegift on Apr 18, 2018 9:33:00 GMT
Read my post above. Slowest team on average per player in the entire EFL Certainly in the Premier League, probably most of the championship too. We need 2 pacey wingers and a pacey striker. Bauer is quick, Ndiaye too. 2 or 3 additions and i think we'll be alright next year. But our additions in the last 2 years have been far from inspiring to say the least. I wouldn't call bauer or Ndiaye 'Quick' -there certainly mobile. But not quick.
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Post by mickstupp on Apr 18, 2018 9:58:26 GMT
I was sort of in agreement until your last four words. Unbelievable. They were said in Jest. But my main point is Ramadan offers the square root of fuck all and i have seen nothing to suggest he will score goals and get assists in the championship. Pace seems the way forward in the championship, Adama Traore being the prime example. Ollie Watkins too. Pace buys you and your team mates time and also offers an outball when playing away from home. A lot of the players that we would consider to be average/poor at the moment will look much better in the Championship. Ramadan, for me, would be one of those players, although he’s definitely regressed from the exciting talent we saw when he first arrived.
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Post by musik on Apr 18, 2018 10:35:25 GMT
Not surprised though if Ramadan and Mame Diouf score at the World Cup in June.
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Post by thegift on Apr 18, 2018 11:04:50 GMT
Not surprised though if Ramadan and Mame Diouf score at the World Cup in June. 👌 From penalties maybe
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Post by leoncort on Apr 18, 2018 11:15:33 GMT
agree but not convinced about Shawcross ,he just does not seem to be able jump for headers since his injury ,he was lucky not give a penalty away last night, he just seems to grapple players.i hope he does stay and a close season gives him time to sort his back out but i am not convinced , just possibly Wimmer might become the player a few Spurs friends say he was when he was there but not holding my breath I'm concerned about Shawcross too. He's been a great servant and I don't expect him to leave if we go down, but I not convinced he's good enough, or his body able enough, to withstand a season in the Championship or even the Premiership again. He's slowed down considerably and he was never quick. He's terribly slow to turn and gets beat easily and he tends to whack the ball out of play even when it's not necessary. He's good in the air and that's about it. I know this is a controversial opinion and I don't mean to be uncharitable to Ryan, but I wonder if there might be better options out there. He may surprise us all and request a transfer but I think he will stay. If he does, will Lambert nail his colours to the mast that is Ryan? Sol Bamba, Ryan Bennett, Alex Pearce, Richard Keogh. Some of the centre backs that feature in teams in the top 6 of the Championship. Shawcross is head and shoulders above all 4, and his fitness has improved in the last 6 months.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Apr 18, 2018 12:28:35 GMT
The squad we have now is irrelevant to how we do next year. Any team that gets relegated will lose their better players - success in the Championship is dependent on recruiting appropriately for the realities of the battle in the Championship. Which means a mixture of gritty old pros with some fire left in their belly, a couple of youngsters coming good, a committed loanee or two looking to impress and some good/lucky calls on lower leagues/overseas players looking for a second chance having got passed over/rejected by the bigger clubs.
We could do with keeping a few (Badou, Bauer, Shawcross and Martins Indi are key for me) but it's what we do in the transfer market that will matter most.
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Post by smallthorner on Apr 18, 2018 14:21:07 GMT
See that Jordan Hugill is probably available for a season long loan from West Ham. Could be just what we need.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Apr 18, 2018 14:50:44 GMT
That would be a kick in the teeth!!! I don't think we'll pin our hopes on a loan striker to be fair, and if we did it wouldn't be Hugill. It's where we have to buy. Loanees can come in other positions.
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Post by smallthorner on Apr 18, 2018 15:15:38 GMT
That would be a kick in the teeth!!! I don't think we'll pin our hopes on a loan striker to be fair, and if we did it wouldn't be Hugill. It's where we have to buy. Loanees can come in other positions. Isn't it more a case of fit for purpose and budget. ? He's been reasonably successful in the Championship. Of course he may be available for purchase. West Ham paid Preston about 12 million i think.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Apr 18, 2018 15:18:11 GMT
That would be a kick in the teeth!!! I don't think we'll pin our hopes on a loan striker to be fair, and if we did it wouldn't be Hugill. It's where we have to buy. Loanees can come in other positions. Isn't it more a case of fit for purpose and budget. ? He's been reasonably successful in the Championship. Of course he may be available for purchase. West Ham paid Preston about 12 million i think. I just don't think we'd loan a striker of his ilk that's all. We need someone who can lead the line and fire us up from the off. It'll be bad enough having to rely on Diouf and Crouch as back up so it's one signing we can't get wrong.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Apr 18, 2018 15:29:52 GMT
Haugaard; Johnson, Shawcross, Cameron, Pieters; Fletcher, Adam; Diouf, Ireland, Sobhi; Crouch. I dunno what you're all werriting about
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Post by thegift on Apr 18, 2018 15:41:54 GMT
Haugaard; Johnson, Shawcross, Cameron, Pieters; Fletcher, Adam; Diouf, Ireland, Sobhi; Crouch. I dunno what you're all werriting about Hello League 1
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Post by mickstupp on Apr 18, 2018 15:46:25 GMT
Haugaard; Johnson, Shawcross, Cameron, Pieters; Fletcher, Adam; Diouf, Ireland, Sobhi; Crouch. I dunno what you're all werriting about There are three players there that won’t even be on the playing staff come June 1st due to being out of contract.
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Post by Scrotnig on Apr 18, 2018 17:06:55 GMT
I am confident we will get out of the Championship at the first attempt. The trouble is, it'll be to League 1.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Apr 18, 2018 17:11:18 GMT
There won't be many players leaving.
Shaq will go.
Who is going to offer 20 million plus for Allen and match his wages here? I can't see it.
I can see someone trying to sign badou, we need to keep him.
Choupo is on a bumper pay day here, no other team will be arsed enough to pay ten million and match that.
It could work in our favour as we would be a couple of attackers away from certain promotion
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Post by musik on Apr 18, 2018 18:51:34 GMT
Hellu!
On paper our team should be PL top ten-material. Especially if they bought 1-2 more strikers.
Butland - England Bauer - Austria Zouma - France Martins Indi - Holland Pieters - Holland Allen - Wales Shaqiri - Switzerland Ndiaye - Senegal Sobhi - Egypt Mame Diouf - Senegal Choupo-Moting - Cameroon
... and you can see most of them in World Cup within a couple of months.
Bench: Cameron, Shawcross, Fletcher, Crouch, Affelay, Ngoy, Campbell (all with National level or former National level experience of some sort).
Not really horse shit, is it?
My point is: "Cynical me" says: it doesn't MATTER what players we bring into this club, as soon as they get here they stop developing or get worse or for some reason doesn't fit in. The examples are too many to mention, but apart from all the above, also Imbula, Bojan and many others. Even if we had brought Messi and Ronaldo in, they would have looked crap in a Stoke dress. Why? It must be something else. It's not far and foremost the player's fault.
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clementine, lens case and sweater//: musik
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Post by trickydicky73 on Apr 18, 2018 19:34:07 GMT
There won't be many players leaving. Shaq will go. Who is going to offer 20 million plus for Allen and match his wages here? I can't see it. I can see someone trying to sign badou, we need to keep him. Choupo is on a bumper pay day here, no other team will be arsed enough to pay ten million and match that. It could work in our favour as we would be a couple of attackers away from certain promotion Will the correct investment be forthcoming? I think that the club should issue a statement saying that it will or we will lose the few promising players we have.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Apr 18, 2018 19:46:51 GMT
There won't be many players leaving. Shaq will go. Who is going to offer 20 million plus for Allen and match his wages here? I can't see it. I can see someone trying to sign badou, we need to keep him. Choupo is on a bumper pay day here, no other team will be arsed enough to pay ten million and match that. It could work in our favour as we would be a couple of attackers away from certain promotion We were offered £25m for Allen in the summer . I’d be offering him a pay rise to stay .
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Post by thegift on Apr 19, 2018 8:41:56 GMT
There won't be many players leaving. Shaq will go. Who is going to offer 20 million plus for Allen and match his wages here? I can't see it. I can see someone trying to sign badou, we need to keep him. Choupo is on a bumper pay day here, no other team will be arsed enough to pay ten million and match that. It could work in our favour as we would be a couple of attackers away from certain promotion We were offered £25m for Allen in the summer . I’d be offering him a pay rise to stay . Cant afford to lose allen. Superb
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Post by owdestokie on Apr 19, 2018 8:58:30 GMT
I sincerely hope that planning for next season has been ongoing since before Xmas. A and B plans (squad) for both the Premier League and the Championship
The old phrase “hit the ground running” is essential. If, as it appears it will be in the Championship we need to set the bar for others at the earliest opportunity. An unequivocal statement of our intent
Will the board match my ambition for next season?
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Post by thegift on Apr 19, 2018 9:39:59 GMT
I sincerely hope that planning for next season has been ongoing since before Xmas. A and B plans (squad) for both the Premier League and the Championship The old phrase “hit the ground running” is essential. If, as it appears it will be in the Championship we need to set the bar for others at the earliest opportunity. An unequivocal statement of our intent Will the board match my ambition for next season? Probably not.
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