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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 15, 2018 12:48:08 GMT
He probably does. But it was the arrogance in November/December that did it for me. He's the person to blame for this mess. And he has to make some massive changes and do it quickly. If that's sell the club, sell it. If that's a renewed appetite for us then get your shit in order. If it's to stagnate and do the bare minimum then prepare (hopefully) for a shit storm. I think you may be living more in hope than expectation there mate. We're a different animal than we were 20 years ago. We were still very much 'of the terraces' back then. We've become very sanitised by all seater stadia and the Premier League. I've not seen much evidence of a 'storming the barricades' mentality in the last 10 years which on reflection isn't a bad thing. Peter Coates is an 80 year old bloke, whatever he's done or not done (short of a few deviant criminal offences) he doesn't deserve a 'shitstorm'. It depends what happens doesn't it? And I'm not on about physically tbh. But that's worst case scenario. I.e. leaving us up shit creek without a paddle.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Apr 15, 2018 12:54:46 GMT
I think you may be living more in hope than expectation there mate. We're a different animal than we were 20 years ago. We were still very much 'of the terraces' back then. We've become very sanitised by all seater stadia and the Premier League. I've not seen much evidence of a 'storming the barricades' mentality in the last 10 years which on reflection isn't a bad thing. Peter Coates is an 80 year old bloke, whatever he's done or not done (short of a few deviant criminal offences) he doesn't deserve a 'shitstorm'. It depends what happens doesn't it? And I'm not on about physically tbh. But that's worst case scenario. I.e. leaving us up shit creek without a paddle. You're right it does depend what happens. But I think we've got about as much fight in us now as the players have shown for the last 18 months.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 15, 2018 12:58:46 GMT
It depends what happens doesn't it? And I'm not on about physically tbh. But that's worst case scenario. I.e. leaving us up shit creek without a paddle. You're right it does depend what happens. But I think we've got about as much fight in us now as the players have shown for the last 18 months. I agree and it contributed to Hughes staying on for so long.
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Post by knowingeye on Apr 15, 2018 13:22:55 GMT
Me thinks the OP has over-imbibed on lemonade or other similar beverage.
No Peter Coates then no Stoke City FC, as he and his family stepped in when needed.
As for the Scholes and Cartwright positions, I don't know sufficient to pass any meaningful comment.
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Post by puddledpotter on Apr 15, 2018 13:25:53 GMT
Regardless of what we think we know about what has gone wrong we cannot turn the clock back. We need to change to move forward and to make,this happen we will need two things, stability and money both of which the Coates family are able to provide. Asking questions is one thing, they can and should be asked without personal abuse. We know about the current owners, they are local and the chairman is a supporter with an interest in the club and area, were the club to change hands we really would be taking a big leap into the unknown.
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Post by robwahlmann on Apr 15, 2018 20:28:17 GMT
What's the point with abuse here!? PC might have kept faith in Sparky for too long, but I guess he will lose a lot of money by going down so it's not his wish either! Hughes also got decent money to spend, but was unable to spend it wisely. Should PC take the blame for this as well? I think PC is old school where he leaves team matters to the manager, and in my opinion this is the right thing to do as well. Abuse? NO! Coates fiddled whilst Rome burned. He is ultimately responsible for this. He might be responsible in a sort of way, but I guess his intentions always were in the best interest of the team, so what is the point of abuse.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 15, 2018 20:31:29 GMT
Coates fiddled whilst Rome burned. He is ultimately responsible for this. He might be responsible in a sort of way, but I guess his intentions always were in the best interest of the team, so what is the point of abuse. There is no need for abuse but there is a room for criticism. And asking massive questions of how he has ran the club in these last two years.
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Post by robwahlmann on Apr 15, 2018 20:32:53 GMT
He might be responsible in a sort of way, but I guess his intentions always were in the best interest of the team, so what is the point of abuse. There is no need for abuse but there is a room for criticism. And asking massive questions of how he has ran the club in these last two years. Critisism and asking questions is OK, abuse isn't.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Apr 15, 2018 20:49:34 GMT
Now I’m not condemning this but if we lose Monday we are almost certainly down if not already. The atmosphere will be interesting to see what reaction Coates and the board get. Personally I hold the board and Coates equally responsible if not more responsible for the position we are in. Lack of signings and poor recruitment has resulted in this situation as well as other managerial decisions. I kind of hope they do receive some abuse seeing as Hughes got a lot of flack but for some reason the above have gone under the radar!. Bored of hearing Coates excuses regarding luck. It’s about time he come out and say we fucked up!! Why use the word “abuse” in your post title? Hopefully not to incite abuse from within the ground or via social media. Constructive criticism and searching questions on mass is absolutely the right way to raise the profile of our inadequencies. Abuse is easily defended and becomes a tool to deflect criticism through the media
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Post by ashleyscfc on Apr 15, 2018 20:49:44 GMT
Coates, no.
Scholes and Cartwright definitely
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Apr 15, 2018 20:54:30 GMT
Coates, no. Scholes and Cartwright definitely Why Cartwright if we are signing players he is allegedly opposed to , some very searching questions need answering now the board and senior staff have elected to do their shit slinging in the national media .
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Post by chellpotter on Apr 15, 2018 21:03:39 GMT
After censorship in the stadium where hughes out banners were removed on sight, he must be shown that arrogance and ignorance will not be tolerated, like the old Coates out grafitti on the A500 in the 80's. If you let him get away with this without a wimper Chic Bates might be back in a dugout near you! What a load of bollocks What do you disagree with? Did you think it was right to crush the movement towards removing Hughes? Do you not agree Coates' comments on the radio that he doesn't listen to the fans displays both arrogance and ignorance? In Coates world he has redeemed himself of those crap times in footballs third tier, do you think that can't happen again. What motivation does he have left he got us to the promised land, job done but it ain't half getting expensive so run it on a budget that get's us relegated. Hopefully not but the writings on the wall!
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Post by chellpotter on Apr 15, 2018 21:23:49 GMT
Me thinks the OP has over-imbibed on lemonade or other similar beverage. No Peter Coates then no Stoke City FC, as he and his family stepped in when needed. As for the Scholes and Cartwright positions, I don't know sufficient to pass any meaningful comment. I don't agree with the no Peter Coates then no Stoke City FC line. We would still exist without Coates maybe wouldn't have reached the Premier League as soon but don't forget he was part of the problem in reaching the third tier of English football. He may have redeemed himself but lets not get carried away!
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Post by jebbstuart on Apr 15, 2018 21:34:20 GMT
will wait till the end of the season and see what happens. abuse no critism yes but sooner or later the club will be up for grabs has in the past and will in the future but its his money and he can spend it how he wants if you don't agree then place you critism at the club and if all else fails just don't go
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Post by thegift on Apr 15, 2018 21:35:19 GMT
Coates, no. Scholes and Cartwright definitely Got to agree with this. Coates has made some mistakes but not a patch on them 2 pricks.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Apr 15, 2018 21:42:17 GMT
Coates, no. Scholes and Cartwright definitely Why Cartwright if we are signing players he is allegedly opposed to , some very searching questions need answering now the board and senior staff have elected to do their shit slinging in the national media . Benj I think your nemesis is being forced ever closer to those crosshairs I've got him in with my crutch rifle from the Seddon stand. Even his fat agent mate has broken ranks with his 'it wasn't me guv' comment. Get the Polonium brolly ready youth Coates will never bomb Poole in retribution.
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Post by thevoid on Apr 15, 2018 21:59:31 GMT
We are a small -medium club was going to happen sooner rather than later that's football ....West Ham Newcastle Leeds forest boro wolves Derby all have been at this position all bigger than Stoke ....it's what happens with promotion and relegation Forest, Wolves and Boro are not bigger than Stoke at all.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Apr 15, 2018 22:16:26 GMT
Why Cartwright if we are signing players he is allegedly opposed to , some very searching questions need answering now the board and senior staff have elected to do their shit slinging in the national media . Benj I think your nemesis is being forced ever closer to those crosshairs I've got him in with my crutch rifle from the Seddon stand. Even his fat agent mate has broken ranks with his 'it wasn't me guv' comment. Get the Polonium brolly ready youth Coates will never bomb Poole in retribution. It’s certainky turning into a very public shit slinging contest , now Cartwright has been forced into the open it will be interesting to see the next move . I wonder if it’s been decided Cartwright should be offered up as Judas and if so who does that protect . However the grim reaper will be there Sunday waiting on their shoulders while my old friend Mr GC🐊 does his work out in the pitch . What’s clear is in any other business the highest paid most senior executive would be held accountable for losing over 50% of the businesss revenue and standing idly by in January while the whole world could see we needed a striker .
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Apr 15, 2018 22:23:42 GMT
Benj I think your nemesis is being forced ever closer to those crosshairs I've got him in with my crutch rifle from the Seddon stand. Even his fat agent mate has broken ranks with his 'it wasn't me guv' comment. Get the Polonium brolly ready youth Coates will never bomb Poole in retribution. It’s certainky turning into a very public shit slinging contest , now Cartwright has been forced into the open it will be interesting to see the next move . I wonder if it’s been decided Cartwright should be offered up as Judas and if so who does that protect . However the grim reaper will be there Sunday waiting on their shoulders while my old friend Mr GC🐊 does his work out in the pitch . What’s clear is in any other business the highest paid most senior executive would be held accountable for losing over 50% of the businesss revenue and standing idly by in January while the whole world could see we needed a striker . Yes it's all become quite interesting since the failed Goalie turned supergrass. I've got him in protective custody if you want to probe him. I wonder who's going to be thrown to the wolves? Who might be getting his retaliation in first? Let me guess erm his name might begin with M and end with K and have A and R in it. Am I close?
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Apr 15, 2018 22:33:42 GMT
It’s certainky turning into a very public shit slinging contest , now Cartwright has been forced into the open it will be interesting to see the next move . I wonder if it’s been decided Cartwright should be offered up as Judas and if so who does that protect . However the grim reaper will be there Sunday waiting on their shoulders while my old friend Mr GC🐊 does his work out in the pitch . What’s clear is in any other business the highest paid most senior executive would be held accountable for losing over 50% of the businesss revenue and standing idly by in January while the whole world could see we needed a striker . Yes it's all become quite interesting since the failed Goalie turned supergrass. I've got him in protective custody if you want to probe him. I wonder who's going to be thrown to the wolves? Who might be getting his retaliation in first? Let me guess erm his name might begin with M and end with K and have A and R in it. Am I close? He will be contracted under the terms of his new identify not to testify ,but I suspect their will be some pretty unhappy bunnies at sentinel park HQ tomorrow .Question 1 did the supergravity actually grass , or in this nex5 of vipers is he being bribed against as the next fall guy
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Apr 15, 2018 22:39:52 GMT
Yes it's all become quite interesting since the failed Goalie turned supergrass. I've got him in protective custody if you want to probe him. I wonder who's going to be thrown to the wolves? Who might be getting his retaliation in first? Let me guess erm his name might begin with M and end with K and have A and R in it. Am I close? He will be contracted under the terms of his new identify not to testify ,but I suspect their will be some pretty unhappy bunnies at sentinel park HQ tomorrow .Question 1 did the supergravity actually grass , or in this nex5 of vipers is he being bribed against as the next fall guy As you know I won't be at the Burnley game but I've trained the youngest in the covert art of political assasination ie Baby Jackal. He has the capability if you identify the target. Unfortunately the game may be up by then I think. The Gravity Croc will have feasted on our decomposing corpse.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Apr 15, 2018 22:47:28 GMT
He probably does. But it was the arrogance in November/December that did it for me. He's the person to blame for this mess. And he has to make some massive changes and do it quickly. If that's sell the club, sell it. If that's a renewed appetite for us then get your shit in order. If it's to stagnate and do the bare minimum then prepare (hopefully) for a shit storm. I think you may be living more in hope than expectation there mate. We're a different animal than we were 20 years ago. We were still very much 'of the terraces' back then. We've become very sanitised by all seater stadia and the Premier League. I've not seen much evidence of a 'storming the barricades' mentality in the last 10 years which on reflection isn't a bad thing. Peter Coates is an 80 year old bloke, whatever he's done or not done (short of a few deviant criminal offences) he doesn't deserve a 'shitstorm'. 100% Agree Mr Coates senior should be treated with the respect his loyalty and support over years and years merit , we may disagree on parts but his support got us to a place where we could be relegated in the first place . Others have bought us down but they need holding accountable not abusing , it’s a cowards way to abuse .
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Post by cobhamstokey on Apr 15, 2018 22:56:26 GMT
I think you may be living more in hope than expectation there mate. We're a different animal than we were 20 years ago. We were still very much 'of the terraces' back then. We've become very sanitised by all seater stadia and the Premier League. I've not seen much evidence of a 'storming the barricades' mentality in the last 10 years which on reflection isn't a bad thing. Peter Coates is an 80 year old bloke, whatever he's done or not done (short of a few deviant criminal offences) he doesn't deserve a 'shitstorm'. 100% Agree Mr Coates senior should be treated with the respect his loyalty and support over years and years merit , we may disagree on parts but his support got us to a place where we could be relegated in the first place . Others have bought us down but they need holding accountable not abusing , it’s a cowards way to abuse . Well said Benji
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Post by Dr Hesham on Apr 15, 2018 23:00:24 GMT
What is your imagination for the club without Coates? If you think the team will win PL or compete for top 6 then OK Abuse Him.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2018 23:25:49 GMT
I can't believe some of the comments above, talk about daggers out at midnight. Short memories springs to mind.
Coats will be disappointed in going down as anybody on this message board. He's invested time effort and money in to us and overall being a success. I'm sure he will be devastated at how the signings of wimmer, embula and berahino have turned out. Which could be the difference between relegation and survival.
Peters only mistake was being to loyal. For that I'm not going to criticise him. Those who do need to remember how far he's bought the club since he bought it from the Icelandics if they were here all those years ago. The saying about football fans being fickle is exemplified by how easy some have turned on the chairman in the hard times.
He's invested in his hometown club, the club who he supports and has put much time and effort in to. To abuse him would be out of order and lower than a snakes belly.
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Post by Gifton on Apr 15, 2018 23:57:12 GMT
Me thinks the OP has over-imbibed on lemonade or other similar beverage. No Peter Coates then no Stoke City FC, as he and his family stepped in when needed. As for the Scholes and Cartwright positions, I don't know sufficient to pass any meaningful comment. I wouldn't abuse Peter Coates at all, I'm grateful for the fact he helped get us where we are. To suggest that there is no Stoke City without Peter Coates however is ridiculous!
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Post by Sfance on Apr 16, 2018 0:32:33 GMT
Amazing!!!!!!!!! So all those in favor of praising Coates for the disaster of the last two years would presumably have cheered Nero on as Rome burned to the ground!!! And what the fuck do people keep on blagging on about 9th place finishes for???? Oh for the days of Waddo when we really had a team that challenged for the top places. My god . . . Stoke's ambition is to finish . . . . in NINTH place!!!! Well, I guess if you're satisfied with 9th place, it makes sense that you'd be satisfied with relegation. Jesus Christ!
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Post by Sfance on Apr 16, 2018 0:36:55 GMT
I've got a good idea, let's give Coates another five years to figure out how he's fucked up. Bunch of fucking losers.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Apr 16, 2018 2:13:59 GMT
Coates said "we need to get this right," meaning purchases ,in an interview last summer. We did not get it right. I dont want an apology or to give abuse. I would like our club to acknowledge to themselves our shortcomings and try to right the issue. We need 10 johnny Walters type players.no excuses just purchase. Through sales, free agents, loans and spending money. Then we'd finish bottom.
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Post by PerCyfilth ....Captains Log on Apr 16, 2018 7:49:38 GMT
Coates said "we need to get this right," meaning purchases ,in an interview last summer. We did not get it right. I dont want an apology or to give abuse. I would like our club to acknowledge to themselves our shortcomings and try to right the issue. We need 10 johnny Walters type players.no excuses just purchase. Through sales, free agents, loans and spending money. Then we'd finish bottom. We may well do anyway.....
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