Anyone still think we will survive?

[samba :)]

I have done most of the way but now after todays results it looks very bleak, it also could be mathamatical in the next couple of weeks

[AlbertTatlock]

I believe.

Gouranga.

[Gary Hackett]

Not a hope in hell i'm afraid.

We need to be making plans for the Championship now.

[cheekycheddleton]

no

lambert and hughes not man for job. pulis oneil and big sam would of kept us up

[BuzzB]

Win Monday and next Sunday and I will maybe start to believe.
We still have to rely on others failing, so, not happening for me unfortunately.

[thegift]

Absolutely no chance

[stokeykez]

My heart still says absolutely my head says not a bloody chance.

[jzime]

We are six points adrift and there are five games to go. We have won six games all season, and have the worst goal difference in the league.

We need to win three games (maybe even four?) and one of them will almost certainly have to be against Palace, when they will be up for it and also treating it as must win.
To believe that our group of players (the overwhelming majority of whom are not good enough technically and/or mentally) are going to turn around now, while the pressure is really on, and win three games is pure fantasy. Sorry.

We've won six in 33 all season. We have scored seven goals in ten games under Paul Lambert. We are not going to suddenly turn it on and get the goals flowing against West Ham and Burnley just because it's a necessity; the squad (and arguably manager) are not good enough.

I wouldn't be surprised if we were mathematically down before we play Palace on the last home game of the season.

[chamberlain]

Nope

[VolvicStokie]

Need to be brave Monday and go for it

If we don't pick up 3 points then we're gone 100%

You've got to go 2 up top now these last few games

Crouch and Diouf to start. Campbell as the option when Diouf does his usual cows are and a banjo job.

I think my team would be

Butland
Bauer Shawcross Zouma Pieters

Shaq Allen Badou Ramadan

Crouch Diouf

Given what's available.

[fca47]

Too late now, we've had it.

[netherlandspotter]

7 points from safety because of goal difference. No chance

[stokerstayinup]

I'm a glass half full man but Huddersfield's last minute winner knocked the stuffing out of me.There is plenty of examples of teams at the bottom turning their form around late on(Sunderland 2/3 times,Wigan and Leicester).We're quite capable of winning on Monday if we repeat our last 2 performances.

[bringmesunshine]

We've been down since we lost at home to Newcastle, appointing Lambert has been the icing on the cake.

[Deleted]

Not a hope. Now effectively 7 points adrift due to our GD with just 5 games left, and we"ve only won 6 in 33 games all season. We can't score enough goals to win games and still struggle to keep clean sheets.

We're gone.

[potterpaul]

Sadly I can see us going in front against WHU but then try to defend a 1-0 lead only to give it away through shear negativity.
We have to shed the negative side to our game draws just not enough, need to treat each game now like a 2nd leg cup match where we need to score 3 to go through.
Unfortuantly we now rely on other results to survive It's almost an impossible task and we just don't have the weaponry, at any level at the club, to pull it off.

[shangamuzo]

Apr 15, 2018 5:50:35 GMT potterpaul said:

Sadly I can see us going in front against WHU but then try to defend a 1-0 lead only to give it away through shear negativity.
We have to shed the negative side to our game draws just not enough, need to treat each game now like a 2nd leg cup match where we need to score 3 to go through.
Unfortuantly we now rely on other results to survive It's almost an impossible task and we just don't have the weaponry, at any level at the club, to pull it off.

Hughes did that and is still doing it with Southampton. It hasn't worked positive or negative.

[kidcrewbob]

Apr 15, 2018 5:01:07 GMT bringmesunshine said:

We've been down since we lost at home to Newcastle, appointing Lambert has been the icing on the cake.

Earlier than that for me - after the Bournemouth defeat I said we were gone this season unless Hughes went - the spawny win at Watford gave Coates what we now know to be fatal excuse to prolong his tenure to the point his sacking made little difference in a new appointment missing the transfer window and the damage being done - its gut wrenching

[loosestools]

Heads MUST roll, Huddersfield and Brighton staying up FFS. This is like being on Death Row, waiting for a last second reprieve, the chair awaits.

[Deleted]

6 wins all season.
Need 3 wins and a draw from 5 games.
Need others to fail.

Mental odds on that.

We're finished and we deserve to be.

Coates, Scholes and Cartwright out.

[Deleted]

It's time to stop relying on others to fail and doing us a favour, the only ones who will get us out of this are ourselves. If we can't help ourselves then we are finished it's that simple.

Scholes and cartwright out, Peters only mistake was being to loyal. For that I'm not going to criticise him. Those who do need to remember how far he's brought the club since he bought it from the Icelandics. The saying about football fans being fickle is exemplified by how easy some have turned on the chairman.

[geoff321]

After 22 games we were 4 points ahead of Swansea, we are now 6 points behind.

After 22 games we were 1 point behind Bournemouth, we are now 11 points behind, they have played 1 game more.

After 22 games we were 2 points behind West Ham, we are now 7 points behind,they have played 1 game less.

After 22 games we were 2 points behind Crystal Palace, we are now 7 points behind, they have played 1 game more.

After 22 games we were 2 points behind Newcastle, we are now 11 points behind, they have played 1 game less.

After 22 games we were 3 points behind Brighton, we are now 8 points behind.

After 22 games we were 4 points behind Huddersfield, we are now 8 points behind, they have played 1 game more.

In the last 5 games under Mark Hughes we got 4 points.

In the last 5 games under Paul Lambert we have got 1 point.

Posters can talk of improved performances under the new manager, but the stark reality is that we are in a much worse position now than we were when Hughes left.

It seems to me that these stats show that we either should have sacked Hughes last summer, or reviewed his position at the end of this season, changing manager half way through a season seems to have been the worst option, unless of course there is a dramatic turn round in the last few games.

[Deleted]

Apr 15, 2018 7:16:03 GMT geoff321 said:

After 22 games we were 4 points ahead of Swansea, we are now 6 points behind.

After 22 games we were 1 point behind Bournemouth, we are now 11 points behind, they have played 1 game more.

After 22 games we were 2 points behind West Ham, we are now 7 points behind,they have played 1 game less.

After 22 games we were 2 points behind Crystal Palace, we are now 7 points behind, they have played 1 game more.

After 22 games we were 2 points behind Newcastle, we are now 11 points behind, they have played 1 game less.

After 22 games we were 3 points behind Brighton, we are now 8 points behind.

After 22 games we were 4 points behind Huddersfield, we are now 8 points behind, they have played 1 game more.

In the last 5 games under Mark Hughes we got 4 points.

In the last 5 games under Paul Lambert we have got 1 point.

Posters can talk of improved performances under the new manager, but the stark reality is that we are in a much worse position now than we were when Hughes left.

It seems to me that these stats show that we either should have sacked Hughes last summer, or reviewed his position at the end of this season, changing manager half way through a season seems to have been the worst option, unless of course there is a dramatic turn round in the last few games.

Damning statistics that and great summary at the end

I don't think Lambert will get us promoted either

[shrewspotter]

Lose on Monday and it's curtains, a win and there's feint hope

[Fred Ferret]

Apr 15, 2018 7:16:03 GMT geoff321 said:

After 22 games we were 4 points ahead of Swansea, we are now 6 points behind.

After 22 games we were 1 point behind Bournemouth, we are now 11 points behind, they have played 1 game more.

After 22 games we were 2 points behind West Ham, we are now 7 points behind,they have played 1 game less.

After 22 games we were 2 points behind Crystal Palace, we are now 7 points behind, they have played 1 game more.

After 22 games we were 2 points behind Newcastle, we are now 11 points behind, they have played 1 game less.

After 22 games we were 3 points behind Brighton, we are now 8 points behind.

After 22 games we were 4 points behind Huddersfield, we are now 8 points behind, they have played 1 game more.

In the last 5 games under Mark Hughes we got 4 points.

In the last 5 games under Paul Lambert we have got 1 point.

Posters can talk of improved performances under the new manager, but the stark reality is that we are in a much worse position now than we were when Hughes left.

It seems to me that these stats show that we either should have sacked Hughes last summer, or reviewed his position at the end of this season, changing manager half way through a season seems to have been the worst option, unless of course there is a dramatic turn round in the last few games.

The plain as day stark reality of our now hopeless situation. I cannot believe, for a second, that we have any chance whatsoever. The Snake will prove what an absolute shit he is with the manner of celebration he enjoys with any goals he scores tomorrow evening.

Then again, our lot could surprise us!!!

[northantsash]

Apr 15, 2018 6:51:20 GMT @gordonsbank said:

It's time to stop relying on others to fail and dining us a favour, the only ones who will get us out of this are ourselves. If we can't help ourselves then we are finished it's that simple.

Scholes and cartwright out, Peters only mistake was being to loyal. For that I'm not going to criticise him. Those who do need to remember how for he's bought the club since he bought it from the Icelandics. The saying about football fans being fickle is exemplified by how easy some have turned on the chairman.

Couldn't agree more mate. Too many supporters have changed their outlook as a result of being in this poisoned top flight of English football for the last 10 years. The need for instant success and immense pressure placed on managers by the media circus after a few bad results is insane. Having being part of this for the last 10 years we have become victims of our own success. There is nothing wrong with aspiration and certainly the initial move to Mark Hughes brought that into the club and I along with many others have enjoyed some fantastic games. But since January 2016 the club has been on a downward spiral with some terrible big money purchases, a complete lack of identity and a move away from some basic principles which have served us so well.

We could still stay up, but it needs a drastic change in the approach from Lambert and also the upturn in form - 4 points from the next 2 is the minimum needed - Swansea are the realistic target now - Man City away next week so we could in theory still be level with them going into game. Posibly Huddersfield with their run in, but we are reliant heavily on others.

If it is to be the championship, then a big clearout is needed - mercenaries need to disposed of, get them out of the club and get solid players in as Steve Bruce has done at Villa. I think Lambert is the man for the job, give him 2-3 years and he will get Stoke back up, but he needs his own players and his methods to be instilled as the standard of the club, instead of inheriting a bunch of misfits lacking any discipline or sense of morality.

I still believe, but the future is bright for me either way.

[Pugsley]

Apr 15, 2018 7:16:03 GMT geoff321 said:

After 22 games we were 4 points ahead of Swansea, we are now 6 points behind.

After 22 games we were 1 point behind Bournemouth, we are now 11 points behind, they have played 1 game more.

After 22 games we were 2 points behind West Ham, we are now 7 points behind,they have played 1 game less.

After 22 games we were 2 points behind Crystal Palace, we are now 7 points behind, they have played 1 game more.

After 22 games we were 2 points behind Newcastle, we are now 11 points behind, they have played 1 game less.

After 22 games we were 3 points behind Brighton, we are now 8 points behind.

After 22 games we were 4 points behind Huddersfield, we are now 8 points behind, they have played 1 game more.

In the last 5 games under Mark Hughes we got 4 points.

In the last 5 games under Paul Lambert we have got 1 point.

Posters can talk of improved performances under the new manager, but the stark reality is that we are in a much worse position now than we were when Hughes left.

It seems to me that these stats show that we either should have sacked Hughes last summer, or reviewed his position at the end of this season, changing manager half way through a season seems to have been the worst option, unless of course there is a dramatic turn round in the last few games.

But we run around more so that's OK.  Oh, and some players are on the naughty step.

[Deleted]

Apr 15, 2018 7:16:03 GMT geoff321 said:

After 22 games we were 4 points ahead of Swansea, we are now 6 points behind.

After 22 games we were 1 point behind Bournemouth, we are now 11 points behind, they have played 1 game more.

After 22 games we were 2 points behind West Ham, we are now 7 points behind,they have played 1 game less.

After 22 games we were 2 points behind Crystal Palace, we are now 7 points behind, they have played 1 game more.

After 22 games we were 2 points behind Newcastle, we are now 11 points behind, they have played 1 game less.

After 22 games we were 3 points behind Brighton, we are now 8 points behind.

After 22 games we were 4 points behind Huddersfield, we are now 8 points behind, they have played 1 game more.

In the last 5 games under Mark Hughes we got 4 points.

In the last 5 games under Paul Lambert we have got 1 point.

Posters can talk of improved performances under the new manager, but the stark reality is that we are in a much worse position now than we were when Hughes left.

It seems to me that these stats show that we either should have sacked Hughes last summer, or reviewed his position at the end of this season, changing manager half way through a season seems to have been the worst option, unless of course there is a dramatic turn round in the last few games.

You are correct, it shows that Hughes should have gone in the summer.

[chumley]

The only way i can see us staying up is that Brighton have a shit run in and i mean shit, cant see them getting another point so if we hit the 3 wins then maybe,,,and relying on Hughes to cock it up at saints.

[Pugsley]

Apr 15, 2018 7:37:55 GMT theonlooker said:

Apr 15, 2018 7:16:03 GMT geoff321 said:

After 22 games we were 4 points ahead of Swansea, we are now 6 points behind.

After 22 games we were 1 point behind Bournemouth, we are now 11 points behind, they have played 1 game more.

After 22 games we were 2 points behind West Ham, we are now 7 points behind,they have played 1 game less.

After 22 games we were 2 points behind Crystal Palace, we are now 7 points behind, they have played 1 game more.

After 22 games we were 2 points behind Newcastle, we are now 11 points behind, they have played 1 game less.

After 22 games we were 3 points behind Brighton, we are now 8 points behind.

After 22 games we were 4 points behind Huddersfield, we are now 8 points behind, they have played 1 game more.

In the last 5 games under Mark Hughes we got 4 points.

In the last 5 games under Paul Lambert we have got 1 point.

Posters can talk of improved performances under the new manager, but the stark reality is that we are in a much worse position now than we were when Hughes left.

It seems to me that these stats show that we either should have sacked Hughes last summer, or reviewed his position at the end of this season, changing manager half way through a season seems to have been the worst option, unless of course there is a dramatic turn round in the last few games.

You are correct, it shows that Hughes should have gone in the summer.

Which is hindsight.  How do a club like Stoke City sack a manager who has comfortably kept them in the PL despite a barrow load of injuries and being a penalty kick away from a cup final?