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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2018 7:44:56 GMT
You are correct, it shows that Hughes should have gone in the summer. Which is hindsight. How do a club like Stoke City sack a manager who has comfortably kept them in the PL despite a barrow load of injuries and being a penalty kick away from a cup final? Many people said he should have gone in the summer. Many people warned of keeping him and tightening the purse strings. In no way is it hindsight.
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Post by Waggy on Apr 15, 2018 7:45:41 GMT
Last chance Monday then got to win 3. Could be the greatest escape of all time but on evidence that I've seen this season tomorrow could be disappointing
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Post by robwahlmann on Apr 15, 2018 7:52:50 GMT
Not really, but still have some kind of strange hope. Stranger things have happen I suppose, but will it happen with Stoke?
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Post by maxplonk on Apr 15, 2018 7:57:20 GMT
Nope.
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Post by boothenender on Apr 15, 2018 8:02:58 GMT
There is always a chance but it is a very, very slim one. Just seen Burnley and Swansea on MOTD and we will not get much from either of them. Going down to the Championship will be a major kick up the arse for our Management team and a huge culture shock for us fans. The only blessing that I can see is that the club will have to throw out the rotten carcass that has paraded itself as our team and start a major renovation. It will take us at least two seasons too return to the promised land that is called the Premiership.. Peter Coates owes us that much at least, and after that he will sell the club. Us fans will stay loyal, the JCL's will go to support Wolves and we will get our old seats and our indentity back.
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Post by milky on Apr 15, 2018 8:05:16 GMT
After 22 games we were 4 points ahead of Swansea, we are now 6 points behind. After 22 games we were 1 point behind Bournemouth, we are now 11 points behind, they have played 1 game more. After 22 games we were 2 points behind West Ham, we are now 7 points behind,they have played 1 game less. After 22 games we were 2 points behind Crystal Palace, we are now 7 points behind, they have played 1 game more. After 22 games we were 2 points behind Newcastle, we are now 11 points behind, they have played 1 game less. After 22 games we were 3 points behind Brighton, we are now 8 points behind. After 22 games we were 4 points behind Huddersfield, we are now 8 points behind, they have played 1 game more. In the last 5 games under Mark Hughes we got 4 points. In the last 5 games under Paul Lambert we have got 1 point. Posters can talk of improved performances under the new manager, but the stark reality is that we are in a much worse position now than we were when Hughes left. It seems to me that these stats show that we either should have sacked Hughes last summer, or reviewed his position at the end of this season, changing manager half way through a season seems to have been the worst option, unless of course there is a dramatic turn round in the last few games. He should have gone in May no two ways about it. We then are in a position to attract a half decent manager with a whole pre season and a transfer window to lay down his marker. Unfortunately Coates has his head in the sand and waits until January when we are in the thick of a relegation battle and no one wants to know.. except the desperate and unemployed. This is all on Coates.
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Post by liam007 on Apr 15, 2018 8:08:29 GMT
No, i've now resigned myself to my 5th relegation watching Stoke.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Apr 15, 2018 8:21:00 GMT
I think the Huddersfield goal has killed us off, they were the ones we could most likely catch and I don't think we can now.
There are a lots of ifs, buts and maybes however the indecision in December is what has had the most profound affect on us in my opinion. The Weat Ham hammering was followed by that shocker away at Chelsea with our reserves but also Huddersfield away and Castle at home - 2 very winnable games that yielded just a point. There have been plenty of other times as well but this little period put us firmly in the bottom 3 and we've never recovered.
Lambert has had plenty of chances at home as well but the damage was already done.
This was the most depressing match of the day I've ever watched and Stoke we're even on it. The only solace I can take is that Hughes is going to take Southampton down with us.
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Post by cousindupree on Apr 15, 2018 8:22:48 GMT
A woeful Huddersfield and Swansea have managed to produce better home results against Everton and Watford than Lambert has managed so it's fair enough. The appointment of an out of his depth Paul Lambert was unimaginative lazy and will finally prove to be disastrous. What a shambles.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 15, 2018 8:26:58 GMT
We were never going to get 10 points anyway, now 10 points probably wont be enough. It's over and probably has been in reality for over a month.
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Post by claytonscrubs on Apr 15, 2018 8:28:01 GMT
With gormless Mr Paul 15th, 15th, 15th, 15th, 19th? Fletcher & Adam lover, Ireland & Afellay hater, doesn’t want bad eggs in his dressing room, who came on in the second half against Arsenal only 2 games ago? Negative tactics, one win Lambert in charge.....NO chance!!!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2018 8:29:31 GMT
After 22 games we were 4 points ahead of Swansea, we are now 6 points behind. After 22 games we were 1 point behind Bournemouth, we are now 11 points behind, they have played 1 game more. After 22 games we were 2 points behind West Ham, we are now 7 points behind,they have played 1 game less. After 22 games we were 2 points behind Crystal Palace, we are now 7 points behind, they have played 1 game more. After 22 games we were 2 points behind Newcastle, we are now 11 points behind, they have played 1 game less. After 22 games we were 3 points behind Brighton, we are now 8 points behind. After 22 games we were 4 points behind Huddersfield, we are now 8 points behind, they have played 1 game more. In the last 5 games under Mark Hughes we got 4 points. In the last 5 games under Paul Lambert we have got 1 point. Posters can talk of improved performances under the new manager, but the stark reality is that we are in a much worse position now than we were when Hughes left. It seems to me that these stats show that we either should have sacked Hughes last summer, or reviewed his position at the end of this season, changing manager half way through a season seems to have been the worst option, unless of course there is a dramatic turn round in the last few games. Anybody with half a brain could see that Hughes had to be sacked last summer at the very latest. Also, whilst sacking Hughes when they did was far too late, it still had to happen and could have worked out had they made the right appointment. We would be in an even worse mess (if that's possible) had Hughes stayed any longer.
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Post by geoff321 on Apr 15, 2018 8:47:31 GMT
After 22 games we were 4 points ahead of Swansea, we are now 6 points behind. After 22 games we were 1 point behind Bournemouth, we are now 11 points behind, they have played 1 game more. After 22 games we were 2 points behind West Ham, we are now 7 points behind,they have played 1 game less. After 22 games we were 2 points behind Crystal Palace, we are now 7 points behind, they have played 1 game more. After 22 games we were 2 points behind Newcastle, we are now 11 points behind, they have played 1 game less. After 22 games we were 3 points behind Brighton, we are now 8 points behind. After 22 games we were 4 points behind Huddersfield, we are now 8 points behind, they have played 1 game more. In the last 5 games under Mark Hughes we got 4 points. In the last 5 games under Paul Lambert we have got 1 point. Posters can talk of improved performances under the new manager, but the stark reality is that we are in a much worse position now than we were when Hughes left. It seems to me that these stats show that we either should have sacked Hughes last summer, or reviewed his position at the end of this season, changing manager half way through a season seems to have been the worst option, unless of course there is a dramatic turn round in the last few games. Anybody with half a brain could see that Hughes had to be sacked last summer at the very latest. Also, whilst sacking Hughes when they did was far too late, it still had to happen and could have worked out had they made the right appointment. We would be in an even worse mess (if that's possible) had Hughes stayed any longer. So we appoint a new manager to improve results and when he doesn't we blame the former one, wish I could land a job like that.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Apr 15, 2018 8:55:08 GMT
Until the mathematics say otherwise we still have a chance. Admittedly the probability gets slimmer but as we all know even an outside bet comes in from time to time. Maybe we are that bet.
Go on Stoke show some fight in these last 5 games.
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 15, 2018 9:11:26 GMT
You can construct semi-realistic scenarios where 36 points would be enough. At least it's something to cling to.
Swansea 33 Man City A Loss Chelsea H Loss Bmouth A Draw Soton H Draw Stoke H Loss
Hudders 35 -27 Everton H Draw Man City A Loss (and battered) Chelsea A Loss (and battered) Arsenal H Loss
Brighton 35 Spurs H Loss Burnley A Loss Man Utd H Loss Man Cty A Loss Lpool A Loss
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Post by Dave the Rave on Apr 15, 2018 9:21:01 GMT
You can construct semi-realistic scenarios where 36 points would be enough. At least it's something to cling to. Swansea 33 Man City A Loss Chelsea H Loss Bmouth A Draw Soton H Draw Stoke H Loss Hudders 35 -27 Everton H Draw Man City A Loss (and battered) Chelsea A Loss (and battered) Arsenal H Loss Brighton 35 Spurs H Loss Burnley A Loss Man Utd H Loss Man Cty A Loss Lpool A Loss The problem with those is that you're imagining that Stoke may somehow amass 9 points from 5 games, 3 of which are away from home. Still, let's not forget that I cursed those 3 teams a while back by sticking £80 on us going down. Therefore, I still actually believe we'll stay up. Last kick against Swansea, it'll be an Oulare moment.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2018 9:32:33 GMT
Anybody with half a brain could see that Hughes had to be sacked last summer at the very latest. Also, whilst sacking Hughes when they did was far too late, it still had to happen and could have worked out had they made the right appointment. We would be in an even worse mess (if that's possible) had Hughes stayed any longer. So we appoint a new manager to improve results and when he doesn't we blame the former one, wish I could land a job like that. Our former manager deserves all the crap he gets thrown at him. He, with the help of others at the club, has assembled a squad of players that will see us relegated in a season when you have had to be monumentally shit to do so. The one thing Hughes cannot be blamed for though is the incompetence of the decision makers above him who succeeded in replacing him with a bloke who was never good enough to turn this sorry mess around. You, like Peter Coates were blind to the mess that Hughes had/was created for far too long. You can be forgiven for that as you're only a fan. Coates cannot.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2018 9:35:30 GMT
You can construct semi-realistic scenarios where 36 points would be enough. At least it's something to cling to. Swansea 33 Man City A Loss Chelsea H Loss Bmouth A Draw Soton H Draw Stoke H Loss Hudders 35 -27 Everton H Draw Man City A Loss (and battered) Chelsea A Loss (and battered) Arsenal H Loss Brighton 35 Spurs H Loss Burnley A Loss Man Utd H Loss Man Cty A Loss Lpool A Loss We’ve got almost no chance I would suggest. I stuck £20 on it last night though just in case....
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Apr 15, 2018 9:38:26 GMT
We won't beat WHU we will lose to Liverpool reserves,that will leave us 9 points to play for,we are 6 pts.from 17th.even if we get those 9pts.we still have to hope other teams don't pick up more than 3 pts. In their remaining fixtures. It is no longer in our own hands,we have to rely on others fucking it up.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2018 9:55:22 GMT
Not even worth worrying about permutations after the West Ham game. Lose or draw and we’re totally and utterly fucked, win and the momentum changes and we give ourselves a sniff.....
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 15, 2018 9:58:34 GMT
You can construct semi-realistic scenarios where 36 points would be enough. At least it's something to cling to. Swansea 33 Man City A Loss Chelsea H Loss Bmouth A Draw Soton H Draw Stoke H Loss Hudders 35 -27 Everton H Draw Man City A Loss (and battered) Chelsea A Loss (and battered) Arsenal H Loss Brighton 35 Spurs H Loss Burnley A Loss Man Utd H Loss Man Cty A Loss Lpool A Loss We won't win another game this season mate.
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Post by MilanStokie on Apr 15, 2018 10:02:58 GMT
if you want to believe you need to bin the statistics and forget what has happened so far this season.
win on monday and its close again all of a sudden.
honestly I can't see us staying up but I've said that for a while now. but while there are still plenty of points to play for there is still a chance.
if you want to look at previous, look no further than Leicester who seemed a lot more out of it than we do.
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Post by Miles Offside on Apr 15, 2018 11:50:00 GMT
After Huddersfield's late win yesterday it's looking likely we'll go down.
There's still a small chance we can survive.
The white flags should come out only when there's no chance.
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Apr 15, 2018 12:33:12 GMT
You could see the shoulders of the players drop when we failed to beat Brighton, that was the point I accepted we were going down.
They are huffing and puffing, but their is no belief in their play that we can stay up.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Apr 15, 2018 13:27:11 GMT
Not even worth worrying about permutations after the West Ham game. Lose or draw and we’re totally and utterly fucked, win and the momentum changes and we give ourselves a sniff..... Arnie will fuck us good style - he'll be more pumped up for this than any so far in a claret shirt.......
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2018 13:42:55 GMT
Not even worth worrying about permutations after the West Ham game. Lose or draw and we’re totally and utterly fucked, win and the momentum changes and we give ourselves a sniff..... Arnie will fuck us good style - he'll be more pumped up for this than any so far in a claret shirt....... The players should just constantly wind the prick up. He has the mind of a child....
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Apr 15, 2018 13:44:03 GMT
I’m sorry but we effectively signed our own death warrant last May when we allowed Hughes to remain in charge and allowed Scholes and Cartwright to empty our financial coffers on dross so bad it rarely makes even the bench. Almost criminal behaviour from the powers that be.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Apr 15, 2018 13:54:57 GMT
We are presented with a chance of premier league football next year. Forget all that has gone before. We need an unlikely win Monday night to be right back in with a chance of a play off final against Swansea last day of the season.
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Post by stokie23 on Apr 15, 2018 13:55:21 GMT
I wouldn’t put money on us staying up - put it that way.
But, personally, a bit disheartening to see so many fans have given up completely already...perhaps just a coping mechanism should we go down.
The FACT is, if we beat West Ham on Monday we will be 3 points behind Swansea in 17th who we still have to play. Plus they have a worse run in.
Still believe, but a loss Monday makes it almost impossible.
GOARRN STOKE ! 😀
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Apr 15, 2018 14:02:10 GMT
Is the question referring to next season? Yes mid table with Forrest😜
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