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Post by A-teen_six_T3 on Apr 9, 2018 10:34:34 GMT
The last time we were in the championship, Coates invested heavily into the squad. We are now a much richer club. So there is no reason it will be any different.
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Post by marrer on Apr 9, 2018 11:02:05 GMT
I'll supply the matches and fuel. This is developing into a thread of dubious taste, my fault as I started it but I think it might be best just to dump him in a skip. I'll provide the skip
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 11:33:38 GMT
This is developing into a thread of dubious taste, my fault as I started it but I think it might be best just to dump him in a skip. I'll provide the skip I'll provide the truck for the skip. Free.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Apr 9, 2018 11:35:16 GMT
I don't know how it'd play out. Prices are still massively inflated in The Championship so I don't for a minute think we could 'buy' the league but if we assume that Butland, Shaqiri and Allen will all leave, that alone should mean around £60 Million in the coffers plus the likes of Badou, Martins Indi and maybe others looking to move on. If we can keep enough of a spine, offload some shite and make some good, solid signings then we could do quite well.
Is aiming to bounce straight back up the way to go about it or do we need to stabilise? I don't think you can 'aim' for a season of solidarity as that could spell yet more danger.
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Post by Stokiedokie on Apr 9, 2018 12:57:13 GMT
Are we in for a huge shock? No, I don't believe so - as long as we keep a decent spine, buy quality and bring through the youngsters. Quite looking forward to it in a perverse way.
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Post by Veritas on Apr 9, 2018 12:59:09 GMT
Are we in for a huge shock? No, I don't believe so - as long as we keep a decent spine, buy quality and bring through the youngsters. Quite looking forward to it in a perverse way. Keeping that solid core of Grant, Bauer, Pieters, Shawcross, Bruno, Badou and Ireland in the Shaqiri role is key for me. We would then obviously need some more pace and a goalscorer or two
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Post by WorkingclassHero on Apr 9, 2018 13:10:30 GMT
Are we in for a huge shock? No, I don't believe so - as long as we keep a decent spine, buy quality and bring through the youngsters. Quite looking forward to it in a perverse way. Keeping that solid core of Grant, Bauer, Pieters, Shawcross, Bruno, Badou and Ireland in the Shaqiri role is key for me. We would then obviously need some more pace and a goalscorer or two pretty sure Badou and Bauer would not have signed without nominal relegation release clauses. Really cannot see Bruno staying at all. Ireland and Grant we can prob hold onto. Shawcross and Pieters I would expect will have other options also so will be hard. we will keep Wimmer, Berahinho and Bojan though as we won't be able to get rid of them.
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Post by GoBoks on Apr 9, 2018 13:12:27 GMT
We will most likely get relegated for a second time, unless our youth players are capable of being decent championship players. Campbell, Verlinden, Sorenson, Ngoy and Edwards and Souttter. I don't know the answer to that. If they hit the ground running we may be ok. I fear they are not good enough based on how the club is run but we will see. Realistically we will be left with the players we will be paying but not playing Wimmer Berahinho Bojan Imbula and a core of Grant Shawcross (if we are lucky) Adam Ireland Diouf ( if we are lucky ) Crouch to build around. I think we will really struggle I don’t get it. If we go down, and If we are paying those 4, why would we not play them? Don’t you think 1 or 2 of them might see it as an opportunity to shine and earn one last big contract? Don’t you think the Clubs who are awash with cash would fancy a gamble for a few million quid thereby taking them off our books? Please God let’s not hang on to the 6 you mention as the core. And as for the youngsters, they have not even been able to achieve much in the U23 team. Regardless of the division we are in, we need massive rebuilding to even stand still.
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Post by WorkingclassHero on Apr 9, 2018 13:18:30 GMT
We will most likely get relegated for a second time, unless our youth players are capable of being decent championship players. Campbell, Verlinden, Sorenson, Ngoy and Edwards and Souttter. I don't know the answer to that. If they hit the ground running we may be ok. I fear they are not good enough based on how the club is run but we will see. Realistically we will be left with the players we will be paying but not playing Wimmer Berahinho Bojan Imbula and a core of Grant Shawcross (if we are lucky) Adam Ireland Diouf ( if we are lucky ) Crouch to build around. I think we will really struggle I don’t get it. If we go down, and If we are paying those 4, why would we not play them? Don’t you think 1 or 2 of them might see it as an opportunity to shine and earn one last big contract? Don’t you think the Clubs who are awash with cash would fancy a gamble for a few million quid thereby taking them off our books? Please God let’s not hang on to the 6 you mention as the core. And as for the youngsters, they have not even been able to achieve much in the U23 team. Regardless of the division we are in, we need massive rebuilding to even stand still. Well we are currently paying them and not playing them so I'm not sure why we would expect that status quo to change. We maybe able to simply pay them to leave but that is basically the same result. I'm maybe bring too negative but I keep seeing posts where people are expecting we will somehow retain the likes of Allen, Badou, Indi and Bauer and that clearly is not going to happen.
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Post by senojbor on Apr 9, 2018 13:28:05 GMT
The last time we were in the championship, Coates invested heavily into the squad. We are now a much richer club. So there is no reason it will be any different. I agree and hope they do but when we gained promotion we didn't have the millstone around our necks of Berahino, Wimmer and Imbula. It will take years to put right. I just can't see them leaving and taking a huge paycut.
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Post by Not_Nick_H on Apr 9, 2018 13:29:51 GMT
Hopefully Paul Lambert has two shopping lists in his desk already. The "nice to have, but unlikely" list and "The Championship list" - with targets already named and lined up that can literally hit the ground running in August. No f*cking about, the cheque book has to be out to sign top quality Championship players and others with a point to prove. I'd also like to think we could hang on to the likes of Shawcross, Bauer and a few others for one season as an act of good faith. Then they can accept what offers come their way.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Apr 9, 2018 13:31:05 GMT
In short, yes.
We will be stripped of our best players in the summer and be left with a squad of useless lumps who no one else wants to buy (like Berahino and Wimmer) and aging stalwarts who are past their best (Crouch, Fletcher, Adam etc).
The squad will need major investment just to be competitive and there will have to be a huge overhaul of players.
Considering we were reluctant to spend as a Premier League club, does anyone expect us to invest significantly when we are in The Championship?
The only minor plus point is that we have a good group of young players. Edwards, Souttar, Verlinden, Ngoy and Campbell should be actively involved next season.
A huge rebuilding job will be required and I'm not sure that Paul Lambert is the right man to be given that responsibility.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Apr 9, 2018 14:13:35 GMT
In short, yes. We will be stripped of our best players in the summer and be left with a squad of useless lumps who no one else wants to buy (like Berahino and Wimmer) and aging stalwarts who are past their best (Crouch, Fletcher, Adam etc). The squad will need major investment just to be competitive and there will have to be a huge overhaul of players. Considering we were reluctant to spend as a Premier League club, does anyone expect us to invest significantly when we are in The Championship? The only minor plus point is that we have a good group of young players. Edwards, Souttar, Verlinden, Ngoy and Campbell should be actively involved next season. A huge rebuilding job will be required and I'm not sure that Paul Lambert is the right man to be given that responsibility. "The squad will need major investment just to be competitive and there will have to be a huge overhaul of players". We'll need exactly that wherever we are next season!!!
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Post by netherlandspotter on Apr 9, 2018 14:21:03 GMT
Problem is Stoke will be the team everybody wants to beat next season and they will up their game against us.
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Post by WorkingclassHero on Apr 9, 2018 14:23:49 GMT
In short, yes. We will be stripped of our best players in the summer and be left with a squad of useless lumps who no one else wants to buy (like Berahino and Wimmer) and aging stalwarts who are past their best (Crouch, Fletcher, Adam etc). The squad will need major investment just to be competitive and there will have to be a huge overhaul of players. Considering we were reluctant to spend as a Premier League club, does anyone expect us to invest significantly when we are in The Championship? The only minor plus point is that we have a good group of young players. Edwards, Souttar, Verlinden, Ngoy and Campbell should be actively involved next season. A huge rebuilding job will be required and I'm not sure that Paul Lambert is the right man to be given that responsibility. "The squad will need major investment just to be competitive and there will have to be a huge overhaul of players". We'll need exactly that wherever we are next season!!!
I think we need far fewer players if we stay up. maybe 3 or 4. Relegation and I think we are looking at churning potentially a whole team possibly even more. No squad changing 11 players in a close season is realistically going to be pushing for promotion. People need to get their heads around that fact. This is going to be a 2-3 year plan to get back up and that is if we support the manager with investment
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Post by WorkingclassHero on Apr 9, 2018 14:25:24 GMT
Problem is Stoke will be the team everybody wants to beat next season and they will up their game against us. Can't see this at all. Far bigger sides than Stoke in the championship. We will have far more derbys though.
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Post by mozzer on Apr 9, 2018 14:31:23 GMT
My view is a massive yes and that ranges from the owners, players and staff of the football club itself right down to the supporters and heres why.... The owners, Money is obviously going to quickly dry up with the tv gravy train being cut and the boardroom kudos disapering from being part of footballs elite, all of a sudden we are cast amongst the football wilderness of once big clubs who have all themselves been relegated but will carry more of an interest media wise with more exposure than little old SCFC, the likes of Brum, Derby, forest, Leeds, both Sheffield clubs and Villa being prime examples. The players Obviously most of our "glamour" (and I say that loosely) signings will disapear, everyone is currently dicussing who will leave yet no one is yet giving any proposal of who will be an asset, who will be willing to stay and fight for a decent campaign, who out of the discarded squad players will relish fighting to become the "stars" of lower league SCFC, Grant, Shawcross Whimmer Pieters Johnson Fletcher Cameron Diouf Berahino Indi Choupo Mouting Ireland Edwards Campbell Not very inspiring and I am not 100% half of these will want to be here, I have not listed people that I think will move on such as Bauer, staffy, Ndiaye and Adam Results and bouncing back Blackburn Rovers, luton town, Burton albion, Sheff united, Wolves, Bristol City, coventry.....need I say more! Staff Just how many people will now loose their jobs due to relegation, I have good friends in the community teams who now fear for their jobs once the relegation axe falls, This could eventually run in to 100s depending on what the next 2 to 3 years brings, if attendances start to fall what about match day stewards, gate staff, ticket and merchandise staff, there is currently a lot of doom and gloom behind the big polished gates of scfc towers. Fans A few people will get a rude awakening in this league, gone will be the sterile safe for tourists premiership bubble and all the resources thrown at it, no more strutting about towns and cities willy nilly drinking side by side in the safety of premier league back slapping, it will be 10 years since we faced most of these teams and that is how most of them will see us, they will not know how our supports demographics has changed from the stoneisland wearing hoard of gritty manual labour types to the scarfe wearing call centre husband who know takes his wife and kids, look what happened last time Wolves were in town, look what happened the last Sheff Wednesday were in town, there will be a lot of teams still looking at Stoke as the scalp they want to take type team from 10 years ago, Leeds, Cardiff, Borough, sheff united, Sheff Wed, Millwall, QPR, Birmingham, Villa, Bolton, Barnsley all gritty working class areas that will be looking at our fixture home and away with asperations of a score to settle, there is a whole generation of chavvy wannabes that have never known what it is like to be old style SCFC a target for the hooli gangs up and down the English lower leagues, if you are under the age of 25 you will not have a clue about Stoke of old.....other than listening to the stories and legends told of the old days with a little bit of embellishment All reasonable points, but one to add; how many fans will stay the course? Will you be r3newing your season ticket? NOT A CHANCE!!! Stay up or go down it will be on pay as you go for me next year picking and choosing, it will be really easy with plenty of tickets available when required after these last two and half years of shite so why bother especially easy if we go down.....the season after will be even easier for tickets if we fail to bounce straight back and on it will go so there is no need for me.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Apr 9, 2018 14:32:19 GMT
I doubt whether any planning has gone on for our probable relegation to the Championship. Christ, let's keep fighting until we know for sure. When and if that day comes, the rebuild must begin immediately.
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Post by sheriffofrockridge on Apr 9, 2018 15:18:04 GMT
A little bird tells me cartwrigh5 is allegedly as pissd off with the penny pinching as the rest of us If Carto is the next to be sacrificed I'll order his taxi and hold the door open for him, tomorrow wouldn't be too soon. When it finally comes round to Scholes' turn I'll personally chauffeur him, as far as the incinerator. You'll need some help as he can only fit his lardy frame through double doors!
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Post by superheroantonius on Apr 9, 2018 15:24:41 GMT
I think we need to sign a couple of decent championship strikers next season , or fall straight through to league 1
Oli watkins ( brenford) , will grigg ( wigan) were mentioned on another thread
And I think that would be okay
But without a couple of goalscorers,we are going straight through to league 1
The quality is high in The championship, And games often have a few goals in them
We have to have a couple of goalscorers or forget it
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Post by sheriffofrockridge on Apr 9, 2018 15:29:40 GMT
The Premier League isn’t all that. Personally I’m looking forward to some proper competitive games and renewing rivalries with clubs we can compete with. You can stick the exhibition games against the likes of Man City and the annual thrashing’s at the hands of the super clubs where the sun doesn’t shine. BM I must admit that amidst all of the doom and gloom that comes with a relegation, there's surely something to be said for the potential to go to every game thinking that you have a real chance of three points and that even if you can't win every week at least you'll be competitive. That should be the target, but the big question is whether the board sanctions the spending and ruthlessness required to overhaul this sorry excuse for a squad.
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Post by superheroantonius on Apr 9, 2018 15:31:39 GMT
If Carto is the next to be sacrificed I'll order his taxi and hold the door open for him, tomorrow wouldn't be too soon. When it finally comes round to Scholes' turn I'll personally chauffeur him, as far as the incinerator. You'll need some help as he can only fit his lardy frame through double doors! ' penny pinching '... He is having a laugh 18 million for wimmer 12 million for berahino Is The premier league definition of paying massively over The top spending And everyone in football, outside stoke, is pissing themselves laughing at the ease with which Carto is robbed blind
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Post by sheriffofrockridge on Apr 9, 2018 15:37:38 GMT
I'm just playing devils advocate here so bear with me. Lets take Allen for example. Would we definitely lose him? He seems like a decent bloke not a money grabbing snake. He is probably on a fair wedge having come from Liverpool probably £60-70k. No top 6 side will want him. Very few mid table sides could afford him (unless he took a large pay cut). He is probably limited to an ambitious East End club but as a sensible bloke would he want to go there? It's highly unlikely we will have inserted relegation salary reduction clauses in any of our contracts. He will therefore be on top dollar whether we're in the Prem or not. He won't lose his Wales place whatever league he plays in. He might just decide to give it a season with us in the Champo to see if we bounce straight back up. The point I'm trying to make is we might not lose as many as we think bar the loans, Jack and Shaqiri. Even if we want to!! Whether that's a good thing remains to be seen. Back to Swansea LG? Can't see him staying. There are players that see themselves as Premiership players and won't drop a level unless no alternative Not if Swansea go with us. I can just see a repeat scenario of when we were relegated with Man City on the last day, this time with Hughesy pulling off a miracle last day win against Man City to keep Southampton up and truly piss on our chips.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 9, 2018 15:45:24 GMT
Who knows?
It depends on a whole host of things doesn't.
Will the board wake up?
Will they keep Lambert?
I think they will, so how will Lambert do?
Who will we keep?
Who will want to leave?
Who will want to leave but no fucker wants?
Who will we sign?
Will we keep the pizza boys?
If no, then do we replace them or let Lambert have full control with just the usual input from scouts.
And that's just off the top of my head.
It's going to be a long hard process but we've got to learn from this mess, we simply have to. Don't we?!
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Post by djduncanjames on Apr 9, 2018 15:51:09 GMT
Who knows? It depends on a whole host of things doesn't. Will the board wake up? Will they keep Lambert? I think they will, so how will Lambert do? Who will we keep? Who will want to leave? Who will want to leave but no fucker wants? Who will we sign? Will we keep the pizza boys? If no, then do we replace them or let Lambert have full control with just the usual input from scouts. And that's just off the top of my head. It's going to be a long hard process but we've got to learn from this mess, we simply have to. Don't we?! Here's Hoping the Supporter's Council can get some answers from the next meeting I guess. We are so in the dark
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Post by chayzenbacon on Apr 9, 2018 15:51:22 GMT
If Carto is the next to be sacrificed I'll order his taxi and hold the door open for him, tomorrow wouldn't be too soon. When it finally comes round to Scholes' turn I'll personally chauffeur him, as far as the incinerator. You'll need some help as he can only fit his lardy frame through double doors! I'll order a disabled friendly cab
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Post by block23 on Apr 9, 2018 18:31:28 GMT
All reasonable points, but one to add; how many fans will stay the course? Will you be r3newing your season ticket? NOT A CHANCE!!! Stay up or go down it will be on pay as you go for me next year picking and choosing, it will be really easy with plenty of tickets available when required after these last two and half years of shite so why bother especially easy if we go down.....the season after will be even easier for tickets if we fail to bounce straight back and on it will go so there is no need for me. Ok mate, your choice. For me, it is what I do, what I am. As frustrated and pissed off as I am at the moment, I know I will be there for every game I can, so just makes economic sense for me. And for all the problems, I walked off the ground on Saturday, chest pumped out and feeling proud of the fans reaction, and the players effort (for all their lack of quality). Probably pathetic for a grown, intelligent!*😳 man, but as the cheesy song says, We’ll Be With You!
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Post by owdestokie2 on Apr 9, 2018 19:46:45 GMT
Problem is Stoke will be the team everybody wants to beat next season and they will up their game against us. So we should be. Anything less will be a complete failure
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 9, 2018 21:25:58 GMT
Who knows? It depends on a whole host of things doesn't. Will the board wake up? Will they keep Lambert? I think they will, so how will Lambert do? Who will we keep? Who will want to leave? Who will want to leave but no fucker wants? Who will we sign? Will we keep the pizza boys? If no, then do we replace them or let Lambert have full control with just the usual input from scouts. And that's just off the top of my head. It's going to be a long hard process but we've got to learn from this mess, we simply have to. Don't we?! Here's Hoping the Supporter's Council can get some answers from the next meeting I guess. We are so in the dark Lol, will they balls.
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