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Post by smallthorner on Apr 8, 2018 17:28:19 GMT
Next season will be about stabilising I think- a top 10 finish and lay the foundations for a promotion push the year after. There's too much expensive dead wood in the squad. Stabilise???? Not meaning to be disrepectul but I’m expecting ( I can’t demand) an absolute attempt and assault (on Championship rivals) to be back in the Premier League within 12 months. Anything less and it’s good bye to Peter Coates and co after almost 55 years and being a season ticket holder since 74 If they are business leaders now more than ever is the time to prove it As I've mentioned on a previous post. In the event of relegation I would be very content to finish a solid eighth next season in the Championship. Stabilise and take stock.
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Post by chayzenbacon on Apr 8, 2018 17:46:26 GMT
Definitely first against the wall in my revolution,rapidly followed by that Cartwright fella A little bird tells me cartwrigh5 is allegedly as pissd off with the penny pinching as the rest of us If Carto is the next to be sacrificed I'll order his taxi and hold the door open for him, tomorrow wouldn't be too soon. When it finally comes round to Scholes' turn I'll personally chauffeur him, as far as the incinerator.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Apr 8, 2018 17:52:06 GMT
A little bird tells me cartwrigh5 is allegedly as pissd off with the penny pinching as the rest of us If Carto is the next to be sacrificed I'll order his taxi and hold the door open for him, tomorrow wouldn't be too soon. When it finally comes round to Scholes' turn I'll personally chauffeur him, as far as the incinerator. I’ll light the fire
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2018 17:56:42 GMT
If Carto is the next to be sacrificed I'll order his taxi and hold the door open for him, tomorrow wouldn't be too soon. When it finally comes round to Scholes' turn I'll personally chauffeur him, as far as the incinerator. I’ll light the fire I'll supply the matches and fuel.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Apr 8, 2018 17:58:06 GMT
I'll supply the matches and fuel. I'll bring the marshmallows.
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Post by stokienorthants on Apr 8, 2018 18:05:01 GMT
OP is correct. Relegation is the most sickening experience of being a fan, even worse than losing an FAC final or semi-. That is why I can't abide all the defeatist posts on this MB rubbishing almost every aspect of the club. It is clear to me from yesterday's performance that Lambert has not lost the players, they are still up for the fight, but it is many of the so called fans who have given up long before the outcome is determined. I'm just glad they are not playing/working for the club; they have failed as "supporters", which they have probably done in the rest of their lives. What absolute horse shit. Is it really the fault of the fans that it’s almost three months since we won a game we’re going down it’s time to wake up and smell the coffee.
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Post by march4 on Apr 8, 2018 18:07:03 GMT
If Lambert is still manager on the first day of next season we will finish mid-table.
We need a leader who will shake things up and give us a proper purpose if promotion is to be a possibility.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Apr 8, 2018 18:11:11 GMT
OP is correct. Relegation is the most sickening experience of being a fan, even worse than losing an FAC final or semi-. That is why I can't abide all the defeatist posts on this MB rubbishing almost every aspect of the club. It is clear to me from yesterday's performance that Lambert has not lost the players, they are still up for the fight, but it is many of the so called fans who have given up long before the outcome is determined. I'm just glad they are not playing/working for the club; they have failed as "supporters", which they have probably done in the rest of their lives. What absolute horse shit. Is it really the fault of the fans that it’s almost three months since we won a game we’re going down it’s time to wake up and smell the coffee. I must admit I haven't scored any goals for us in that time. So guilty as charged.
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Post by chayzenbacon on Apr 8, 2018 18:12:51 GMT
I'll supply the matches and fuel. This is developing into a thread of dubious taste, my fault as I started it but I think it might be best just to dump him in a skip.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Apr 8, 2018 18:26:37 GMT
I'll supply the matches and fuel. This is developing into a thread of dubious taste, my fault as I started it but I think it might be best just to dump him in a skip. Should we kill him first?
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Post by Northy on Apr 8, 2018 18:47:17 GMT
Nobody will loose their jobs
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Post by BristolMick on Apr 8, 2018 19:02:19 GMT
The Premier League isn’t all that. Personally I’m looking forward to some proper competitive games and renewing rivalries with clubs we can compete with. You can stick the exhibition games against the likes of Man City and the annual thrashing’s at the hands of the super clubs where the sun doesn’t shine.
BM
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Post by stubbo1 on Apr 8, 2018 19:08:23 GMT
The Premier League isn’t all that. Personally I’m looking forward to some proper competitive games and renewing rivalries with clubs we can compete with. You can stick the exhibition games against the likes of Man City and the annual thrashing’s at the hands of the super clubs where the sun doesn’t shine. BM Me too
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Post by BristolMick on Apr 8, 2018 19:09:22 GMT
Definitely first against the wall in my revolution,rapidly followed by that Cartwright fella A little bird tells me cartwrigh5 is allegedly as pissd off with the penny pinching as the rest of us How can spunking £30m on the useless pair of Wimmer and Berahino be described as penny pinching? How has the bloke in charge of recruitment allowed such precious resources to be so abominably wasted? How the fuck can the bloke in charge of recruitment legitimately blame anyone else for the shambles that our recruitment has been? BM
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Post by numpty40 on Apr 8, 2018 19:12:08 GMT
think everyone will be in for a shock. we are in a downward spiral like sunderland, crap players on big wages who mentally and physical wont want to be the championship. i look at our team and think we need possible 15 players. we have to cut costs so anyone with a big wage will have to be shunted off asap the rest well... we need 1 keeper plus bursik whole back lineplus bauer,edwards and martinsindi whole midfield plus cameron and ireland and new front line plus campbell. the rest can be binned or will hopefully have left. we got to look at the jobs cartwright and scholes do and look at the academy do we keep it or save the money and close it down. has not produced too much in the last ten to fifteen years. wont be a beach party at too many towns and cities we visit, was like going to cardiff great city centre but the mile out to the ground was like going back in time Oh what things we have to look forward too I don't agree we are in a downward spiral despite inevitable relegation this season. We'll keep Grant, Edwards, Bauer, Shawcross, Bruno, Ndiaye, Cameron and Diouf and hopefully Bojan can come back and sprinkle a little magic in a lower league. There is a spine to rebuild the team around. Some cute signings could see us challenging straight back but I'm not sure any of the youngsters are ready to step up yet with the exception of maybe Campbell who we paid £750.000 for. Begs the question as to whether there is a need to throw money at an academy when there is so little fruition.
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Post by smallthorner on Apr 8, 2018 19:15:47 GMT
A little bird tells me cartwrigh5 is allegedly as pissd off with the penny pinching as the rest of us How can spunking £30m on the useless pair of Wimmer and Berahino be described as penny pinching? How has the bloke in charge of recruitment allowed such precious resources to be so abominably wasted? How the fuck can the bloke in charge of recruitment legitimately blame anyone else for the shambles that our recruitment has been? BM Yeh.. spot on. We have absolutely washed 50 million down the drain. Whoever is responsible for that needs a public flogging. Coupled with Sparky's unbelievable tactic brain fart and you have the major (but not all) factors behind our sad demise.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Apr 8, 2018 19:18:28 GMT
think everyone will be in for a shock. we are in a downward spiral like sunderland, crap players on big wages who mentally and physical wont want to be the championship. i look at our team and think we need possible 15 players. we have to cut costs so anyone with a big wage will have to be shunted off asap the rest well... we need 1 keeper plus bursik whole back lineplus bauer,edwards and martinsindi whole midfield plus cameron and ireland and new front line plus campbell. the rest can be binned or will hopefully have left. we got to look at the jobs cartwright and scholes do and look at the academy do we keep it or save the money and close it down. has not produced too much in the last ten to fifteen years. wont be a beach party at too many towns and cities we visit, was like going to cardiff great city centre but the mile out to the ground was like going back in time Oh what things we have to look forward too I don't agree we are in a downward spiral despite inevitable relegation this season. We'll keep Grant, Edwards, Bauer, Shawcross, Bruno, Ndiaye, Cameron and Diouf and hopefully Bojan can come back and sprinkle a little magic in a lower league. There is a spine to rebuild the team around. Some cute signings could see us challenging straight back but I'm not sure any of the youngsters are ready to step up yet with the exception of maybe Campbell who we paid £750.000 for. Begs the question as to whether there is a need to throw money at an academy when there is so little fruition. Hope you're right but I think we'll be lucky to keep Bauer, Bruno and Ndiaye. I can see us starting the season with Lambert, a bunch of the current OAP's, a couple of kiddies and I've found God Berahino It's depressing
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Post by WorkingclassHero on Apr 8, 2018 19:25:02 GMT
I don't agree we are in a downward spiral despite inevitable relegation this season. We'll keep Grant, Edwards, Bauer, Shawcross, Bruno, Ndiaye, Cameron and Diouf and hopefully Bojan can come back and sprinkle a little magic in a lower league. There is a spine to rebuild the team around. Some cute signings could see us challenging straight back but I'm not sure any of the youngsters are ready to step up yet with the exception of maybe Campbell who we paid £750.000 for. Begs the question as to whether there is a need to throw money at an academy when there is so little fruition. Hope you're right but I think we'll be lucky to keep Bauer, Bruno and Ndiaye. I can see us starting the season with Lambert, a bunch of the current OAP's, a couple of kiddies and I've found God Berahino It's depressing Not a hope that any of Ndiaye Bauer and Indi will be here next season. athey will all have signed up with options to leave if relegated. We will however be left with Fletch, Johnson Berahinho Bojan and Wimmer
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Post by senojbor on Apr 8, 2018 19:25:04 GMT
We need to sack some players pure and simple How do you 'sack' players on long term lucrative contracts? The club is obliged to pay their wages. They won't be going anywhere.
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Post by suck_the_mop. on Apr 8, 2018 19:32:02 GMT
In for a massive shock, i remember my dad telling me it would be ok in 84/85 that we would rebuild and be back soon.. He never saw us in the top flight again a fate that could well befall any of us over 50 now..
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Apr 8, 2018 19:36:12 GMT
think everyone will be in for a shock. we are in a downward spiral like sunderland, crap players on big wages who mentally and physical wont want to be the championship. i look at our team and think we need possible 15 players. we have to cut costs so anyone with a big wage will have to be shunted off asap the rest well... we need 1 keeper plus bursik whole back lineplus bauer,edwards and martinsindi whole midfield plus cameron and ireland and new front line plus campbell. the rest can be binned or will hopefully have left. we got to look at the jobs cartwright and scholes do and look at the academy do we keep it or save the money and close it down. has not produced too much in the last ten to fifteen years. wont be a beach party at too many towns and cities we visit, was like going to cardiff great city centre but the mile out to the ground was like going back in time Oh what things we have to look forward too I don't agree we are in a downward spiral despite inevitable relegation this season. We'll keep Grant, Edwards, Bauer, Shawcross, Bruno, Ndiaye, Cameron and Diouf and hopefully Bojan can come back and sprinkle a little magic in a lower league. There is a spine to rebuild the team around. Some cute signings could see us challenging straight back but I'm not sure any of the youngsters are ready to step up yet with the exception of maybe Campbell who we paid £750.000 for. Begs the question as to whether there is a need to throw money at an academy when there is so little fruition. I'm just playing devils advocate here so bear with me. Lets take Allen for example. Would we definitely lose him? He seems like a decent bloke not a money grabbing snake. He is probably on a fair wedge having come from Liverpool probably £60-70k. No top 6 side will want him. Very few mid table sides could afford him (unless he took a large pay cut). He is probably limited to an ambitious East End club but as a sensible bloke would he want to go there? It's highly unlikely we will have inserted relegation salary reduction clauses in any of our contracts. He will therefore be on top dollar whether we're in the Prem or not. He won't lose his Wales place whatever league he plays in. He might just decide to give it a season with us in the Champo to see if we bounce straight back up. The point I'm trying to make is we might not lose as many as we think bar the loans, Jack and Shaqiri. Even if we want to!! Whether that's a good thing remains to be seen.
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Post by numpty40 on Apr 8, 2018 19:36:53 GMT
I don't agree we are in a downward spiral despite inevitable relegation this season. We'll keep Grant, Edwards, Bauer, Shawcross, Bruno, Ndiaye, Cameron and Diouf and hopefully Bojan can come back and sprinkle a little magic in a lower league. There is a spine to rebuild the team around. Some cute signings could see us challenging straight back but I'm not sure any of the youngsters are ready to step up yet with the exception of maybe Campbell who we paid £750.000 for. Begs the question as to whether there is a need to throw money at an academy when there is so little fruition. Hope you're right but I think we'll be lucky to keep Bauer, Bruno and Ndiaye. I can see us starting the season with Lambert, a bunch of the current OAP's, a couple of kiddies and I've found God Berahino It's depressing We need to get rid of the likes Johnson, Adam, Fletcher, Crouch and I'd bite the bullet and pay off Berahino, Imbula and Wimmer. It will wipe out any parachute payments but may prove beneficial in the long run to rid the club of the parasites we've been lumbered with.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Apr 8, 2018 19:37:31 GMT
It wasn't Tony Scholes who signed Kevin Wimmer, Berahino, Imbula etc. It also wasn't Tony Scholes who set the transfer and wage budget for incoming signings, that was of course the owner(s). Say what you like about Mr Scholes but Carto, Coates and Hughes are the biggest reasons for our demise.
He's still useless though, clearly.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Apr 8, 2018 20:03:53 GMT
A little bird tells me cartwrigh5 is allegedly as pissd off with the penny pinching as the rest of us How can spunking £30m on the useless pair of Wimmer and Berahino be described as penny pinching? How has the bloke in charge of recruitment allowed such precious resources to be so abominably wasted? How the fuck can the bloke in charge of recruitment legitimately blame anyone else for the shambles that our recruitment has been? BM I very deliberately didn’t say he was right I said allegedly frustrated , I suppose the truth is none of us know who he recommended and at what value , McGuire for example was a target way before Wimmer but rest sssured I’m in the they both have to be held accountable camp
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Post by smallthorner on Apr 8, 2018 20:14:56 GMT
It wasn't Tony Scholes who signed Kevin Wimmer, Berahino, Imbula etc. It also wasn't Tony Scholes who set the transfer and wage budget for incoming signings, that was of course the owner(s). Say what you like about Mr Scholes but Carto, Coates and Hughes are the biggest reasons for our demise. He's still useless though, clearly. Absolutely General. He might be the most useless tosser of a CEO in existence but I'm pretty sure that he didn't scout and sanction the signing of the gruesome threesome. Some culpability of course in terms and conditions of contracts. Some culpability in the fact he didn't say WTF during the cough .. due diligence. Perhaps the business plan was drafted by him but sure as eggs are eggs the budget would have been set by the family.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2018 20:17:17 GMT
I don't agree we are in a downward spiral despite inevitable relegation this season. We'll keep Grant, Edwards, Bauer, Shawcross, Bruno, Ndiaye, Cameron and Diouf and hopefully Bojan can come back and sprinkle a little magic in a lower league. There is a spine to rebuild the team around. Some cute signings could see us challenging straight back but I'm not sure any of the youngsters are ready to step up yet with the exception of maybe Campbell who we paid £750.000 for. Begs the question as to whether there is a need to throw money at an academy when there is so little fruition. I'm just playing devils advocate here so bear with me. Lets take Allen for example. Would we definitely lose him? He seems like a decent bloke not a money grabbing snake. He is probably on a fair wedge having come from Liverpool probably £60-70k. No top 6 side will want him. Very few mid table sides could afford him (unless he took a large pay cut). He is probably limited to an ambitious East End club but as a sensible bloke would he want to go there? It's highly unlikely we will have inserted relegation salary reduction clauses in any of our contracts. He will therefore be on top dollar whether we're in the Prem or not. He won't lose his Wales place whatever league he plays in. He might just decide to give it a season with us in the Champo to see if we bounce straight back up. The point I'm trying to make is we might not lose as many as we think bar the loans, Jack and Shaqiri. Even if we want to!! Whether that's a good thing remains to be seen. My thoughts exactly regarding Allen. His International place isn’t at risk I think he might give us a season....
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Apr 8, 2018 20:21:35 GMT
It wasn't Tony Scholes who signed Kevin Wimmer, Berahino, Imbula etc. It also wasn't Tony Scholes who set the transfer and wage budget for incoming signings, that was of course the owner(s). Say what you like about Mr Scholes but Carto, Coates and Hughes are the biggest reasons for our demise. He's still useless though, clearly. the chief executive is paid £1million a year to oversee the running of the club , to create the business plan , request the budget , manage the key functions , if he isn’t doing that’ what’s he doing for £1m a year , he was very quick to share the well run limelight , now that myth has exploded and its exposed as a shot show beyond comprehension on his watch where is he ?
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Post by GeneralFaye on Apr 8, 2018 20:25:16 GMT
It wasn't Tony Scholes who signed Kevin Wimmer, Berahino, Imbula etc. It also wasn't Tony Scholes who set the transfer and wage budget for incoming signings, that was of course the owner(s). Say what you like about Mr Scholes but Carto, Coates and Hughes are the biggest reasons for our demise. He's still useless though, clearly. the chief executive is paid £1million a year to oversee the running of the club , to create the business plan , request the budget , manage the key functions , if he isn’t doing that’ what’s he doing for £1m a year , he was very quick to share the well run limelight , now that myth has exploded and its exposed as a shot show beyond comprehension on his watch where is he ? He carries out the owners plan, it's that simple. If you think it's up to him to dictate the budget then you're off your head pal.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Apr 8, 2018 20:28:25 GMT
I'm just playing devils advocate here so bear with me. Lets take Allen for example. Would we definitely lose him? He seems like a decent bloke not a money grabbing snake. He is probably on a fair wedge having come from Liverpool probably £60-70k. No top 6 side will want him. Very few mid table sides could afford him (unless he took a large pay cut). He is probably limited to an ambitious East End club but as a sensible bloke would he want to go there? It's highly unlikely we will have inserted relegation salary reduction clauses in any of our contracts. He will therefore be on top dollar whether we're in the Prem or not. He won't lose his Wales place whatever league he plays in. He might just decide to give it a season with us in the Champo to see if we bounce straight back up. The point I'm trying to make is we might not lose as many as we think bar the loans, Jack and Shaqiri. Even if we want to!! Whether that's a good thing remains to be seen. My thoughts exactly regarding Allen. His International place isn’t at risk I think he might give us a season.... I think some of the others might as well. It's how Newcastle managed to bounce back (plus they had a very good manager) It's whether our parsimonious owner will wear shelling out more of his own money on top dollar wages as the TV money reduces, even for one season. It hardly fits the much vaunted 'model' does it?
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Apr 8, 2018 20:28:47 GMT
I don't agree we are in a downward spiral despite inevitable relegation this season. We'll keep Grant, Edwards, Bauer, Shawcross, Bruno, Ndiaye, Cameron and Diouf and hopefully Bojan can come back and sprinkle a little magic in a lower league. There is a spine to rebuild the team around. Some cute signings could see us challenging straight back but I'm not sure any of the youngsters are ready to step up yet with the exception of maybe Campbell who we paid £750.000 for. Begs the question as to whether there is a need to throw money at an academy when there is so little fruition. I'm just playing devils advocate here so bear with me. Lets take Allen for example. Would we definitely lose him? He seems like a decent bloke not a money grabbing snake. He is probably on a fair wedge having come from Liverpool probably £60-70k. No top 6 side will want him. Very few mid table sides could afford him (unless he took a large pay cut). He is probably limited to an ambitious East End club but as a sensible bloke would he want to go there? It's highly unlikely we will have inserted relegation salary reduction clauses in any of our contracts. He will therefore be on top dollar whether we're in the Prem or not. He won't lose his Wales place whatever league he plays in. He might just decide to give it a season with us in the Champo to see if we bounce straight back up. The point I'm trying to make is we might not lose as many as we think bar the loans, Jack and Shaqiri. Even if we want to!! Whether that's a good thing remains to be seen. Back to Swansea LG? Can't see him staying. There are players that see themselves as Premiership players and won't drop a level unless no alternative
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