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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2018 6:39:27 GMT
Sacrifical Lamb wanted, We need 3 Pointa......Has anyone got the bollocks to say if we win at Arsenal Saturday you"ll run around Hanley stark bollock naked Saturday night?. . Go on, for the love of all things Stoke,you just know if you did it will happen. Might be our only hope. We play Saturday and Arsenal have to play Sunday. Should at least guarantee a draw! |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Mar 26, 2018 8:04:33 GMT
4. Name the forwards to improve our attacking ability/options; Moting? Jese? Berahino?? Crouch? Ramadam? We will never know as Lambert is so shit scared of losing he forgets about winning. Our front FOUR against Everton should have been a combination of: Sohbi/Jese---Shaq---Choupo/Sohbi --------Choupo/Berahino-------- It was shit or bust and he bottled it. I'm so fucking angry we have gone down as we have. We can all conjure up formations from the names above. The point was the complete lack of any forward power created by one Mark Hughes after nearly five years in charge. Only Diouf our free transfer signing (come fucking wingback) is missing due to injury. PL has got a very poor assortment to choose from. How many goals have we seen (collectively) from that lot |
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Mar 26, 2018 8:25:20 GMT
Lambert showed some shoots of recovery when he first came in.
But now we are playing as bad as anything under Hughes. WITH WORSE RESULTS.
Why is it so hard for a manager to focus equally on defence AND attack? Hughes obviously didnt train the players to defend, likewise Lambert has zero plan on how to attack and score.
What exactly do they work on all week at training???
Call me a maverick but why not split the 2 groups up and have a defensive coach work with the defenders and an attacking coach work with the attackers!!! Crazy idea I know
We arent gonna win games if Shaqiri is trained to track his runner and defend.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2018 8:36:00 GMT
Of course, Lambert was at fault for the missed penalty, the ball spilled into the goal at Leicester. We have been a million times better since he came in. This mess is Hughes' making. Deluded 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 |
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Post by stokienorthants on Mar 26, 2018 8:39:07 GMT
Lambert showed some shoots of recovery when he first came in. But now we are playing as bad as anything under Hughes. WITH WORSE RESULTS. Why is it so hard for a manager to focus equally on defence AND attack? Hughes obviously didnt train the players to defend, likewise Lambert has zero plan on how to attack and score. What exactly do they work on all week at training??? Call me a maverick but why not split the 2 groups up and have a defensive coach work with the defenders and an attacking coach work with the attackers!!! Crazy idea I know We arent gonna win games if Shaqiri is trained to track his runner and defend. Can’t agree with the idea of separate camps for attackers and defenders. Just finished reading Cruyff’s autobiography, when he was coaching Barcelona he said that once you have the ball everyone should be a forward and the moment you lose it everyone is a defender. He delivered total football whereas Lambert specialises in total bollocks. |
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Mar 26, 2018 9:30:25 GMT
We had 21 points from 24 games under Hughes which averages out at (21/24 x 38) just over 33 points in a season.
Under Lambert (6 points from 7 games) it is 32.
Should we lose to Arsenal it will be 28 (6/8 x 38).
So mathematically speaking we are worse under Lambert.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2018 9:40:17 GMT
We will never know as Lambert is so shit scared of losing he forgets about winning. Our front FOUR against Everton should have been a combination of: Sohbi/Jese---Shaq---Choupo/Sohbi --------Choupo/Berahino-------- It was shit or bust and he bottled it. I'm so fucking angry we have gone down as we have. We can all conjure up formations from the names above. The point was the complete lack of any forward power created by one Mark Hughes after nearly five years in charge. Only Diouf our free transfer signing (come fucking wingback) is missing due to injury. PL has got a very poor assortment to choose from. How many goals have we seen (collectively) from that lot So that's then. He inherited a poor team so it's not his fault. Rubbish. He's as much at fault at Hughes. He also had a window to address any shortcomings he told the board he knew all about |
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Post by marrer on Mar 26, 2018 9:41:07 GMT
Are you comparing points hauls which contain one game at home to Arsenal and one game away to Arsenal? Hardly comparable is it? Why isn't it? With the different games it pretty much evens itself out. And includes Watford, Huddersfield and Brighton at home where Hughes had them away for instance. So what is the point you are making? |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Mar 26, 2018 10:09:30 GMT
We can all conjure up formations from the names above. The point was the complete lack of any forward power created by one Mark Hughes after nearly five years in charge. Only Diouf our free transfer signing (come fucking wingback) is missing due to injury. PL has got a very poor assortment to choose from. How many goals have we seen (collectively) from that lot So that's then. He inherited a poor team so it's not his fault. Rubbish. He's as much at fault at Hughes. He also had a window to address any shortcomings he told the board he knew all about Fair enough. I can understand you’re one track thought process. However get your facts right, when did PL take his first training session and what date did the transfer window open. His predecessor failed to purchase a decent forward/striker in 4.5 years. But hey ho don’t let facts get in your way |
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Post by cousindupree on Mar 26, 2018 10:12:27 GMT
We had 21 points from 24 games under Hughes which averages out at (21/24 x 38) just over 33 points in a season. Under Lambert (6 points from 7 games) it is 32. Should we lose to Arsenal it will be 28 (6/8 x 38). So mathematically speaking we are worse under Lambert. And fast forward to the end of the season and then do the comparison. I have a feeling it will show just what a disaster sacking Hughes was without a top manager lined up. Appointing Lambert was a double whammy and he is likely to end up delivering around 12 pts from 15 games, actually worse than Hughes. No surprise as Hughes is a much superior manager than Lambert. |
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Mar 26, 2018 10:50:44 GMT
Lambert showed some shoots of recovery when he first came in. But now we are playing as bad as anything under Hughes. WITH WORSE RESULTS. Why is it so hard for a manager to focus equally on defence AND attack? Hughes obviously didnt train the players to defend, likewise Lambert has zero plan on how to attack and score. What exactly do they work on all week at training??? Call me a maverick but why not split the 2 groups up and have a defensive coach work with the defenders and an attacking coach work with the attackers!!! Crazy idea I know We arent gonna win games if Shaqiri is trained to track his runner and defend. Can’t agree with the idea of separate camps for attackers and defenders. Just finished reading Cruyff’s autobiography, when he was coaching Barcelona he said that once you have the ball everyone should be a forward and the moment you lose it everyone is a defender. He delivered total football whereas Lambert specialises in total bollocks. Total bollocks indeed. lol I get your point but are you really comparing Cruyff's methodology with that of Lambert?  Lambert is clearly focusing on fitness and defensive shape through the whole team. Even Tony Pulis realised you need to score occassionally and had good attacking set-pieces (corners and long-throws) plus some wingers putting crosses in. Lamberts "plan" seems to be to hit it long to Choupo/Crouch and see what happens. That could work if you get players in support, but everyone else is so deep its a fucking suicidal tactic. I havent enjoyed the regular dickings we were getting under Hughes, but watching Paul Lambert's Stoke is like watching paint dry. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 26, 2018 12:07:42 GMT
Why isn't it? With the different games it pretty much evens itself out. And includes Watford, Huddersfield and Brighton at home where Hughes had them away for instance. So what is the point you are making? Lambert has done worse than Hughes.... |
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Mar 26, 2018 12:08:34 GMT
We had 21 points from 24 games under Hughes which averages out at (21/24 x 38) just over 33 points in a season. Under Lambert (6 points from 7 games) it is 32. Should we lose to Arsenal it will be 28 (6/8 x 38). So mathematically speaking we are worse under Lambert. And fast forward to the end of the season and then do the comparison. I have a feeling it will show just what a disaster sacking Hughes was without a top manager lined up. Appointing Lambert was a double whammy and he is likely to end up delivering around 12 pts from 15 games, actually worse than Hughes. No surprise as Hughes is a much superior manager than Lambert. We would have been relegated under Hughes. Appointing Lambert has just accelerated the process. |
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Post by marrer on Mar 26, 2018 20:19:33 GMT
So what is the point you are making? Lambert has done worse than Hughes.... And that......we shouldn't have got rid of Hughes? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 26, 2018 20:39:28 GMT
Lambert has done worse than Hughes.... And that......we shouldn't have got rid of Hughes? No.... |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2018 21:24:38 GMT
When we lose against Arsenal the gap will start to increase and put more pressure on the team. I am a realist and the truth is that we will be relegated before the last two games of the season. The frustrating thing is, there are a number of crap sides this year and we are making it easy for them by throwing points away. Brighton and Lecester and Everton. All games that we should of picked up more points.
Gutted to say!
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Mar 26, 2018 21:32:29 GMT
We do have a lot of piss poor players so hard to pin a lot on Lambert .
A fair criticism of.him is a lack of positivity in games . We have.to try to win them even at Arsenal as we are fast running out of games .
Also dropping Bauer and Bruno last week was lunacy in my opinion .
we need to see a fair bit more in these last 7 games in terms of trying to win them if he is to deserve to keep his job .
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Post by TexasPotter on Mar 27, 2018 4:58:12 GMT
I don't blame Lambert for Hughes's mess, I blame Lambert for being a dumb bastard starting Fletcher and Adam in some weird Scottish incestual manner no matter their form or ability every damn match. That's what fucked about the new manager.
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Post by Ryan_Shawjosh on Mar 27, 2018 6:59:57 GMT
I don't blame Lambert, nor do I defend him. Hughes built the team backed by the owners. It's Hughes' team but that being said, Lambert wouldn't have been my choice of manager. Unfortunately, the club put themselves in a position where there wasn't really much of a choice at all. Lambert was unemployed, was given the job at a team that was plummeting. He wasn't going to turn the job down but, at the same time, didn't have much of a chance of turning everything around in such a short space of time. No one knows if he'd have turned it around with more time and a full transfer window (I doubt it myself) but he just wasn't given that. The club as a whole have failed and we have been stuck with a manager who clearly wasn't anyone's first choice but can only do what he is capable of with very limited resources (mainly players and time).
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Mar 27, 2018 7:29:43 GMT
Arsenal will be giving it 100% they want us gone so they can get an extra 3pts.each season.
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Post by Gods on Mar 27, 2018 8:43:03 GMT
And that......we shouldn't have got rid of Hughes? No.... I'd actually say yes to that. At the time we did it with no better alternative we may as well have let Hughes see the thing through to the end one way or another. And I think he might have found say 2 wins in the last 7 games where we have failed to win which don't forget included Watford and Brighton at home for example. I'm not saying he should not have been sacked only not when we actually did it. And I'm not saying anything I didn't at the time. |
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Post by thegift on Mar 27, 2018 8:47:03 GMT
And that......we shouldn't have got rid of Hughes? No....  |
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Mar 27, 2018 9:12:16 GMT
The thing is the board is too upright and proper in the dealings.
They sacked Hughes in the proper manner without having someone lined up. That is honourable but fucking stupid in this day and age when most chairman tap up a few coaches before pulling the plug.
I think if the fans and board knew the only option to replace Hughes was Lambert then he might still be in charge today.
Again though the board are living in the 20th century. Football is big business, and there should have been more planning behind the scenes to replace Hughes with someone half decent a LONG time ago
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Post by Saul Krakinov on Mar 27, 2018 18:02:03 GMT
If comparing results in corresponding fixtures is the way it is going, Lambert has a good chance to claw some points back over the final 6 fixtures, as Hughes record over those games reads
Pld - 6
Won - 1
Drawn - 0
Lost - 5
Goals - 4
Against - 15
Pts - 3
GD - (-11)
Not so impressive really
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Mar 27, 2018 23:00:43 GMT
If comparing results in corresponding fixtures is the way it is going, Lambert has a good chance to claw some points back over the final 6 fixtures, as Hughes record over those games reads Pld - 6 Won - 1 Drawn - 0 Lost - 5 Goals - 4 Against - 15 Pts - 3 GD - (-11) Not so impressive really Be surprised if lambert does better than that Everton likely to be the start of tailspin as players and management alike see the game Is up . |
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Mar 28, 2018 16:41:51 GMT
I'd actually say yes to that. At the time we did it with no better alternative we may as well have let Hughes see the thing through to the end one way or another. And I think he might have found say 2 wins in the last 7 games where we have failed to win which don't forget included Watford and Brighton at home for example. I'm not saying he should not have been sacked only not when we actually did it. And I'm not saying anything I didn't at the time. I was late to the Hughes out party and one of the main reasons was a concern as to who would replace him. There were many saying "anyone but Hughes", which was folly in the extreme especially considering the "anybody" we ended up with. I'd have preferred Hughes to have seen it out to the summer (rather than Lambert) and be judged on his "I've never been relegated" statement. Apart from the questionable argument that he's tightened up the defence I cannot think of another managerial attribute where Lambert trumps Hughes! |
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Post by Gods on Mar 28, 2018 18:45:25 GMT
I'd actually say yes to that. At the time we did it with no better alternative we may as well have let Hughes see the thing through to the end one way or another. And I think he might have found say 2 wins in the last 7 games where we have failed to win which don't forget included Watford and Brighton at home for example. I'm not saying he should not have been sacked only not when we actually did it. And I'm not saying anything I didn't at the time. I was late to the Hughes out party and one of the main reasons was a concern as to who would replace him. There were many saying "anyone but Hughes", which was folly in the extreme especially considering the "anybody" we ended up with. I'd have preferred Hughes to have seen it out to the summer (rather than Lambert) and be judged on his "I've never been relegated" statement. Apart from the questionable argument that he's tightened up the defence I cannot think of another managerial attribute where Lambert trumps Hughes! I agree with that in its entirety. I'm not saying Hughes would have kept us up but he might, in appointing Lambert we rubber stamped our relegation. |
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Apr 3, 2018 19:20:04 GMT
Lambert would have won 5 less points than Hughes from the corresponding games. Wow!! We will win at arsenal don’t worry 😂 |
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Post by numpty40 on Apr 3, 2018 19:37:51 GMT
If comparing results in corresponding fixtures is the way it is going, Lambert has a good chance to claw some points back over the final 6 fixtures, as Hughes record over those games reads Pld - 6 Won - 1 Drawn - 0 Lost - 5 Goals - 4 Against - 15 Pts - 3 GD - (-11) Not so impressive really They're interesting stats and certainly gives Lambert the opportunity to win more points than Hughes from corresponding fixtures. Real chance of points from West Ham, Crystal Palace, Burnley and Swansea. We should be aiming for 8 points from those games and obviously need to be turning draws to wins, paricularly in the Palace and Burnley games. If we don't then we fully deserve to go down. |
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Post by GoBoks on Apr 4, 2018 0:51:02 GMT
Is this the Stayupperites thread?
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