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Post by Marc01 on Mar 19, 2018 23:56:49 GMT
Just read in Sentinel that Martin Atkinson has shown 20% of all red cards received by Stoke players in the Premier League; yet he has not sent a single opposition player off during all of the Stoke PL matches that he has refereed. If true, that really takes some doing and goes well against the law of averages, especially when you appreciate that he was also stated to be the ref who allowed Mignolet to hack down Diouf earlier this season. I recall him allowing numerous Man City players to take turns in cynically fouling Pennant in the FA Cup Final also. It would be interesting to see the PL stats on every referee in respect of: * Which team they have issued the most PL red cards and bookings set against the total number of games they have refereed for those teams? * The total number of all opposition players they have booked and sent off against their 'favourite' red card team? * If any can get close to Atkinson's 'achievement'? Would also be worth seeing Stoke's full red card and booking history in the PL and who has dished them out... One for those with plenty of time to waste  |
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Post by expectedtoulouse on Mar 20, 2018 0:11:41 GMT
Just read in Sentinel that Martin Atkinson has shown 20% of all red cards received by Stoke players in the Premier League; yet has not sent a single opposition player off during those very same matches. If true, that really takes some doing and goes well against the law of averages, especially when you appreciate that he was also stated to be the ref who allowed Mignolet to hack down Diouf earlier this season. I recall him allowing numerous Man City players to take turns in cynically fouling Pennant in the FA Cup Final also. It would be interesting to see the PL stats on every referee in respect of: * Which team they have issued the most PL red cards and bookings set against the total number of games they have refereed for those teams? * The total number of all opposition players they have booked and sent off against their 'favourite' red card team? * If any can get close to Atkinson's 'achievement'? Would also be worth seeing Stoke's full red card and booking history in the PL and who has dished them out... One for those with plenty of time to waste I don’t know why we tolerate this dirty Leeds cheat. He’s got a clear bias against us and loves brandishing his red card. How many fouls did Tosun and Gueye make yet they were able to avoid a card yet the first foul that Ryan makes out comes the card. It’ll be refreshing not to have to see this twat or Dean next season when we go down. |
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Post by roylandstoke on Mar 20, 2018 0:30:18 GMT
The failure to send Mignolet off should have seen him removed from the ranks of professional refereeing.
He is a total twat.
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Post by Parkhall Wanderer on Mar 20, 2018 0:39:03 GMT
One stat will never change. Twatkinson is exactly what it says on the box. A first class twat who hates Stoke. He should be arrested for impersonating a referee.
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Post by madnellie on Mar 20, 2018 4:20:10 GMT
I remember a foul on Wilko in the FA Cup final that could well have seen Toure walk, but Twatkinson let that go too. I also remember screaming "fuck off Twatkinson you biased c*nt" at the very top of my lungs when he went up to receive his medal. I mean I don't think he could hear me from the other side of the pitch but it definitely made me feel better  Conner bloody stand the man. |
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Post by maninasuitcase on Mar 20, 2018 6:58:20 GMT
Atkinson
Wank wank wank
Atkinson
Wank wank wank
As hated as that cunt rob styles
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Post by sportsman on Mar 20, 2018 7:01:03 GMT
I don't know why we haven't put a complaint in ages ago. Fergie used to do it, and you can get refs stopped from doing your games.
There's no way he should have been anywhere near that game on Saturday.
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Post by metalhead on Mar 20, 2018 7:30:32 GMT
It wouldn't surprise me if in 10 years time, there was a dispatches style expose and he was revealed as one of the biggest cheats. Cash for decisions. Plenty of brown envelopes to keep Mr Atkinson and his wife in a brand new Range Rover. Of course, zero chance he would actually go to jail. Any justice would have to be vigilante.  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2018 7:33:24 GMT
It was a red.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2018 7:34:16 GMT
Hope the wanker falls down his stairs and breaks his neck. Wanker
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Post by milky on Mar 20, 2018 7:48:08 GMT
It was a red..but a high profile big name would have been given the benefit of the doubt and got a yellow. It's happened time and time again and I can't believe for one minute refs aren't "advised " to try and keep the top players in the pitch and not sitting in the stands with 3 match bans. |
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Post by greyman on Mar 20, 2018 7:56:44 GMT
I agree. Then again, it was less of a blatant red than Mignolet's and look what he did there. He was so quick to get the yellow card out for that, he knew EXACTLY what he was doing. I'm still not one of those who thinks he takes bungs, but the effects of such jaw dropping bias are no different to corruption. |
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Post by madnellie on Mar 20, 2018 8:05:26 GMT
Even a stopped clock is right twice a day |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2018 8:13:16 GMT
I agree. Then again, it was less of a blatant red than Mignolet's and look what he did there. He was so quick to get the yellow card out for that, he knew EXACTLY what he was doing. I'm still not one of those who thinks he takes bungs, but the effects of such jaw dropping bias are no different to corruption. Spot on. |
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Post by wuzza on Mar 20, 2018 8:19:12 GMT
I think he is a poor ref - he has that swagger that shows he is not a suitable character for such a job.
However to suggest he could be bothered to have a bias against a particular club is going a bit OTT.
( sending Charlie off was a very easy option handed on a plate to him by the said Charlie and Atkinson, as he always will, jumped at the opportunity to get into the spotlight )
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Mar 20, 2018 8:21:34 GMT
Saw sky did an interview with him yesterday and when asked how he thought the game went he replied very well....shame they didn't remind him of the offside goal he allowed for Everton.
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Post by geoff321 on Mar 20, 2018 8:32:11 GMT
The officials are under such close scrutiny theses days with television etc, being corrupt or biased would be highly unlikely.
The people who judge a refs performance can't be the fans of a particular team, they are biased, it has to be independant people who are trained to do so.
VAR has shown how difficult a job the referee has, we just have to accept there will always be mistakes made.
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Post by elystokie on Mar 20, 2018 8:37:57 GMT
The officials are under such close scrutiny theses days with television etc, being corrupt or biased would be highly unlikely. The people who judge a refs performance can't be the fans of a particular team, they are biased, it has to be independant people who are trained to do so. VAR has shown how difficult a job the referee has, we just have to accept there will always be mistakes made. I don't think it's the making of mistakes that's the major problem here Geoff, it's the consistently making them in a certain direction that's the issue. Statistics can obviously be misleading but there comes a point where they're difficult to ignore. |
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Post by wearepremierleague on Mar 20, 2018 8:51:01 GMT
He should never ever be allowed to ref stoke. The performances at at Sunderland and Newcastle were up there with the worst in history. There is no way somebody can be that bad without bias.
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Post by geoff321 on Mar 20, 2018 9:07:15 GMT
The officials are under such close scrutiny theses days with television etc, being corrupt or biased would be highly unlikely. The people who judge a refs performance can't be the fans of a particular team, they are biased, it has to be independant people who are trained to do so. VAR has shown how difficult a job the referee has, we just have to accept there will always be mistakes made. I don't think it's the making of mistakes that's the major problem here Geoff, it's the consistently making them in a certain direction that's the issue. Statistics can obviously be misleading but there comes a point where they're difficult to ignore. Yes I agree and those particular stats are worrying, I just think officials have a very difficult job and prefer to believe it's more like poor refereering than anything more serious. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2018 9:11:55 GMT
I agree. Then again, it was less of a blatant red than Mignolet's and look what he did there. He was so quick to get the yellow card out for that, he knew EXACTLY what he was doing. I'm still not one of those who thinks he takes bungs, but the effects of such jaw dropping bias are no different to corruption. I agree with that totally and I'd extend that level of bias to more than just Atkinson. That's life I'm afraid and you aren't going to change it anytime soon. The biggest frustration of all is the professional footballer involved. Experienced, played in the top two tiers of the game here etc. If supporters can see what the referees are like then why can't the players approach the game and play to the conditions of the match? namely who you are up against, who is the ref, which stadium you are in, the state of the pitch, weather etc. At the end of the day it is their job and their level of granularity with regards to the criterion above will be far higher than me and you, since they hear and see everything that goes on, will know intrinsically the mindset of the referee and how he will react to certain situations. Players shouldn't have to approach games like that but it is what it is. What was stopping Adam walking out onto the pitch with the mindset of straight batting every potential 50/50 situation with a view to trying to get it to fall on his side? Players know exactly how to do this and they are liars if they say otherwise. Fine, if the tackle was preventing a clear cut chance. Take your medicine and move on, moan and groan at the referee. To put that challenge in where he did on the pitch, with everything else going on around the game is foolish. I take your original point though, absolutely. |
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Post by pearo on Mar 20, 2018 10:18:07 GMT
If we aren’t already down by then he’s nailed on to ref our last game of the season
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Post by maxplonk on Mar 20, 2018 10:21:55 GMT
Just read in Sentinel that Martin Atkinson has shown 20% of all red cards received by Stoke players in the Premier League; yet has not sent a single opposition player off during those very same matches. If true, that really takes some doing and goes well against the law of averages, especially when you appreciate that he was also stated to be the ref who allowed Mignolet to hack down Diouf earlier this season. Link to the article? |
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Post by Veritas on Mar 20, 2018 10:45:00 GMT
It wouldn't surprise me if in 10 years time, there was a dispatches style expose and he was revealed as one of the biggest cheats. Cash for decisions. Plenty of brown envelopes to keep Mr Atkinson and his wife in a brand new Range Rover. Of course, zero chance he would actually go to jail. Any justice would have to be vigilante. I think it's virtually certain that Atkinson nor any other Ref is not corrupt, however he certainly appears to have a bias against Stoke and it would be good if someone really did have enough spare time to do the number crunching to prove this. For whatever reason, an incident that has caused him to dislike the club, a subconscious failure to move on from the general perception of a rough house team a la Wenger and the lazy end of the press or some other issue he appears to treat Stoke by a different standard. The Adam red card by itself proves nothing, it was a classic bordeline decision that sometimes is red sometimes not but a number of other incidents particularly the red cards against Newcastle and Sunderland and the lack of a red card for Mingolet really do stretch the credibility of the concept of swings and roundabouts. Any retired statisticians out there? |
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Post by lordb on Mar 20, 2018 10:48:58 GMT
Simple question,and you all know the answer,how many contentious decisions has he given in our favour in the Premier League?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2018 10:57:31 GMT
That stat means nothing because the % of games where a player from each team gets sent off must be incredibly low.
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Post by Veritas on Mar 20, 2018 11:03:55 GMT
That stat means nothing because the % of games where a player from each team gets sent off must be incredibly low. In 24 league games six red cards for Stoke none for the opposition, probability looks unlikley but that's the reality |
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Post by Marc01 on Mar 20, 2018 11:22:22 GMT
That stat means nothing because the % of games where a player from each team gets sent off must be incredibly low. Poorly expressed in the original post. Now edited to: "yet he has not sent a single opposition player off during all of the Stoke PL matches that he has refereed". |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2018 11:41:53 GMT
The officials are under such close scrutiny theses days with television etc, being corrupt or biased would be highly unlikely. The people who judge a refs performance can't be the fans of a particular team, they are biased, it has to be independant people who are trained to do so. VAR has shown how difficult a job the referee has, we just have to accept there will always be mistakes made. And that's why the big teams don't want VAR or any other non biased machine. You can't influence a machine to give decisions to the bigger teams. I hope I live to see football with NO referee, only a cold dispassionate android who can instantly KNOW if its offside by communicating with all cameras at the ground also allowing the RIGHT decisions on penalties and diving. If they could make it look like a young Kylie Minogue then that would be nice too....I should be so lucky eh^ |
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Post by biglad180 on Mar 20, 2018 12:07:12 GMT
just goes to show the quality of refs we have in the premier league when not one is representing England in the world cup and Atkinson is the biggest wanker of the lot
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Conner bloody stand the man.
