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Post by raythesailor on Mar 20, 2018 12:12:38 GMT
If we aren’t already down by then he’s nailed on to ref our last game of the season If that were to happen our management, if we have one, would be and MUST object to the appointment. It has been going on for far to long with this guy.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Mar 20, 2018 12:17:31 GMT
How low we've become. It was a blatant red card. Blame Adam, not Atkinson.
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Post by RAF on Mar 20, 2018 12:53:14 GMT
How low we've become. It was a blatant red card. Blame Adam, not Atkinson. There are 3 people I blame. The manager for having him anywhere near the pitch. Adam for being a thick twat The ref for getting exactly what he wanted H
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Post by derbypotter2 on Mar 20, 2018 13:41:17 GMT
I'm not disputing Saturday's red card - even a blind squirrel finds the odd nut as they say. However, I do have issue with Atkinson. It's just when you study his record as a whole when officiating our games, there is something that doesn't quite add up. Either he is just extremely incompetent, or he has an agenda of his own. Either way is doesn't make him a very good official for games involving Stoke. I actually got to the point of writing a letter back in 2010 following an episode of his at Sunderland. I've dug it out for old times sake. Some things don't change:
I’d like to know who premiership referees answer to (if anyone) because it is becoming blatantly obvious that either the standards are dropping to a level that is dangerous for the future of the sport, or there is something more sinister going on.
I refer you to one example from the recent Sunderland versus Stoke City match on Saturday 6th November 2010.
In the second half of this match there was a clear handball from a Sunderland defender that took place on the goal line and clearly prevented a goal for Stoke City. Now, this incident was not something that occurred off the ball, it was not a high speed collision that can sometimes be difficult to adjudge, it was not a marginal, split second offside ruling.
It was a clear handball that took place on the goal line. And it wasn’t even a split second handball, in fact, to quote the Sunday Times reporter ‘Cattermole allowed the ball to run almost the length of his raised arm’.
There can be only two reasons why this penalty was not awarded. The first is complete incompetence on behalf of the official, the second is outright cheating.
Now, if a well paid, qualified referee failed to spot this incident then in my opinion he should no longer be allowed to referee again. It was so blindingly obvious that it is the equivalent of driving down the M1 and losing a wheel, only to pull over and call out the RAC and be told, after inspection, ‘there’s nothing wrong here sir’.
For the record I was sat 150 yards away, sitting behind a tall bloke wearing a hat, and was sending a text message to a friend whilst drinking a cup of tea – but I still spotted the infringement. You may therefore appreciate why I find it hard to believe that a so called professional who is paid to concentrate on the game and watch the ball failed to do so.
Which unfortunately leads me to the conclusion that there may be something more sinister going on. I really would appreciate your comments.
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Post by numpty40 on Mar 20, 2018 13:48:52 GMT
The failure to send Mignolet off should have seen him removed from the ranks of professional refereeing. He is a total twat. There hasn't been a more blatant red card this season. Absolutely staggering that it wasn't given.
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Post by thegift on Mar 20, 2018 13:54:59 GMT
Thing is, if we weren't so fucking dire in the first place, i would have some questions to be asking of Atkinson, but we simply cannot blame referee's for decisions when we cant win games off our own accord. Generally Atkinson is a twat, and has screwed us in previous years, for me that challenge is what i would call an 'Amber Challenge' which means some ref's you would get away with it, some wouldn't.
We could of kept playing that game for a month of Sundays and still wouldn't of won. Its a fucking shambles. Were shit, and we're going down.
The fat lady is on her last sentence.
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Post by sneydgreenstokie1 on Mar 20, 2018 13:57:22 GMT
Thing is, if we weren't so fucking dire in the first place, i would have some questions to be asking of Atkinson, but we simply cannot blame referee's for decisions when we cant win games off our own accord. Generally Atkinson is a twat, and has screwed us in previous years, for me that challenge is what i would call an 'Amber Challenge' which means some ref's you would get away with it, some wouldn't. We could of kept playing that game for a month of Sundays and still wouldn't of won. Its a fucking shambles. Were shit, and we're going down. The fat lady is on her last sentence. Why have you decided to miss the point of the post? Atkinson is biased against Stoke - Saturday's dismissal neither proves nor disproves this fact
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Post by thegift on Mar 20, 2018 14:13:46 GMT
Thing is, if we weren't so fucking dire in the first place, i would have some questions to be asking of Atkinson, but we simply cannot blame referee's for decisions when we cant win games off our own accord. Generally Atkinson is a twat, and has screwed us in previous years, for me that challenge is what i would call an 'Amber Challenge' which means some ref's you would get away with it, some wouldn't. We could of kept playing that game for a month of Sundays and still wouldn't of won. Its a fucking shambles. Were shit, and we're going down. The fat lady is on her last sentence. Why have you decided to miss the point of the post? Atkinson is biased against Stoke - Saturday's dismissal neither proves nor disproves this fact I know atkinson is biased, I'm not disagreeing with you, but you cant blame him for Charlie Adam's shower of shit.
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 20, 2018 14:17:30 GMT
Just read in Sentinel that Martin Atkinson has shown 20% of all red cards received by Stoke players in the Premier League; yet he has not sent a single opposition player off during all of the Stoke PL matches that he has refereed. 20% is wrong, he's actually issued six of our 17 red cards in the PL, which is over 35%
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Mar 20, 2018 14:25:53 GMT
That stat means nothing because the % of games where a player from each team gets sent off must be incredibly low. In 24 league games six red cards for Stoke none for the opposition, probability looks unlikley but that's the reality So 1 red in every 4 games with Atkinson thats got to be the highest ratio going. We have a 25% chance of getting a red card when Twatkinson refs. The opposition have 0% chance. Add in the "offside goals", lack of red cards for the opposition and those statistics looks even worse. How many of the 24 games have we actually won?
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Post by thegift on Mar 20, 2018 14:33:38 GMT
In 24 league games six red cards for Stoke none for the opposition, probability looks unlikley but that's the reality So 1 red in every 4 games with Atkinson thats got to be the highest ratio going. We have a 25% chance of getting a red card when Twatkinson refs. The opposition have 0% chance. Add in the "offside goals", lack of red cards for the opposition and those statistics looks even worse. How many of the 24 games have we actually won? If this is true there has to be an inquest into this.
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Post by greyman on Mar 20, 2018 15:45:51 GMT
I'm not disputing Saturday's red card - even a blind squirrel finds the odd nut as they say. However, I do have issue with Atkinson. It's just when you study his record as a whole when officiating our games, there is something that doesn't quite add up. Either he is just extremely incompetent, or he has an agenda of his own. Either way is doesn't make him a very good official for games involving Stoke. I actually got to the point of writing a letter back in 2010 following an episode of his at Sunderland. I've dug it out for old times sake. Some things don't change: I’d like to know who premiership referees answer to (if anyone) because it is becoming blatantly obvious that either the standards are dropping to a level that is dangerous for the future of the sport, or there is something more sinister going on. I refer you to one example from the recent Sunderland versus Stoke City match on Saturday 6th November 2010. In the second half of this match there was a clear handball from a Sunderland defender that took place on the goal line and clearly prevented a goal for Stoke City. Now, this incident was not something that occurred off the ball, it was not a high speed collision that can sometimes be difficult to adjudge, it was not a marginal, split second offside ruling. It was a clear handball that took place on the goal line. And it wasn’t even a split second handball, in fact, to quote the Sunday Times reporter ‘Cattermole allowed the ball to run almost the length of his raised arm’. There can be only two reasons why this penalty was not awarded. The first is complete incompetence on behalf of the official, the second is outright cheating. Now, if a well paid, qualified referee failed to spot this incident then in my opinion he should no longer be allowed to referee again. It was so blindingly obvious that it is the equivalent of driving down the M1 and losing a wheel, only to pull over and call out the RAC and be told, after inspection, ‘there’s nothing wrong here sir’. For the record I was sat 150 yards away, sitting behind a tall bloke wearing a hat, and was sending a text message to a friend whilst drinking a cup of tea – but I still spotted the infringement. You may therefore appreciate why I find it hard to believe that a so called professional who is paid to concentrate on the game and watch the ball failed to do so. Which unfortunately leads me to the conclusion that there may be something more sinister going on. I really would appreciate your comments. Mark Clattenburg gave the game away recently. Refs go into games with a plan. They officiate according to what they have planned for the game. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42219327
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Post by thegift on Mar 20, 2018 16:58:53 GMT
I'm not disputing Saturday's red card - even a blind squirrel finds the odd nut as they say. However, I do have issue with Atkinson. It's just when you study his record as a whole when officiating our games, there is something that doesn't quite add up. Either he is just extremely incompetent, or he has an agenda of his own. Either way is doesn't make him a very good official for games involving Stoke. I actually got to the point of writing a letter back in 2010 following an episode of his at Sunderland. I've dug it out for old times sake. Some things don't change: I’d like to know who premiership referees answer to (if anyone) because it is becoming blatantly obvious that either the standards are dropping to a level that is dangerous for the future of the sport, or there is something more sinister going on. I refer you to one example from the recent Sunderland versus Stoke City match on Saturday 6th November 2010. In the second half of this match there was a clear handball from a Sunderland defender that took place on the goal line and clearly prevented a goal for Stoke City. Now, this incident was not something that occurred off the ball, it was not a high speed collision that can sometimes be difficult to adjudge, it was not a marginal, split second offside ruling. It was a clear handball that took place on the goal line. And it wasn’t even a split second handball, in fact, to quote the Sunday Times reporter ‘Cattermole allowed the ball to run almost the length of his raised arm’. There can be only two reasons why this penalty was not awarded. The first is complete incompetence on behalf of the official, the second is outright cheating. Now, if a well paid, qualified referee failed to spot this incident then in my opinion he should no longer be allowed to referee again. It was so blindingly obvious that it is the equivalent of driving down the M1 and losing a wheel, only to pull over and call out the RAC and be told, after inspection, ‘there’s nothing wrong here sir’. For the record I was sat 150 yards away, sitting behind a tall bloke wearing a hat, and was sending a text message to a friend whilst drinking a cup of tea – but I still spotted the infringement. You may therefore appreciate why I find it hard to believe that a so called professional who is paid to concentrate on the game and watch the ball failed to do so. Which unfortunately leads me to the conclusion that there may be something more sinister going on. I really would appreciate your comments. Mark Clattenburg gave the game away recently. Refs go into games with a plan. They officiate according to what they have planned for the game. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42219327Being an ex football league official, i understand what Clattenburg is saying here. I wouldn't necessarily call it a pre-made 'game plan' i would call it more safe refereeing. I totally get his point but also understand yours looking in. But if you read between the lines he is not saying I'm going out there to make one team win, far from it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2018 17:03:20 GMT
I'm not disputing Saturday's red card - even a blind squirrel finds the odd nut as they say. However, I do have issue with Atkinson. It's just when you study his record as a whole when officiating our games, there is something that doesn't quite add up. Either he is just extremely incompetent, or he has an agenda of his own. Either way is doesn't make him a very good official for games involving Stoke. I actually got to the point of writing a letter back in 2010 following an episode of his at Sunderland. I've dug it out for old times sake. Some things don't change: I’d like to know who premiership referees answer to (if anyone) because it is becoming blatantly obvious that either the standards are dropping to a level that is dangerous for the future of the sport, or there is something more sinister going on. I refer you to one example from the recent Sunderland versus Stoke City match on Saturday 6th November 2010. In the second half of this match there was a clear handball from a Sunderland defender that took place on the goal line and clearly prevented a goal for Stoke City. Now, this incident was not something that occurred off the ball, it was not a high speed collision that can sometimes be difficult to adjudge, it was not a marginal, split second offside ruling. It was a clear handball that took place on the goal line. And it wasn’t even a split second handball, in fact, to quote the Sunday Times reporter ‘Cattermole allowed the ball to run almost the length of his raised arm’. There can be only two reasons why this penalty was not awarded. The first is complete incompetence on behalf of the official, the second is outright cheating. Now, if a well paid, qualified referee failed to spot this incident then in my opinion he should no longer be allowed to referee again. It was so blindingly obvious that it is the equivalent of driving down the M1 and losing a wheel, only to pull over and call out the RAC and be told, after inspection, ‘there’s nothing wrong here sir’. For the record I was sat 150 yards away, sitting behind a tall bloke wearing a hat, and was sending a text message to a friend whilst drinking a cup of tea – but I still spotted the infringement. You may therefore appreciate why I find it hard to believe that a so called professional who is paid to concentrate on the game and watch the ball failed to do so. Which unfortunately leads me to the conclusion that there may be something more sinister going on. I really would appreciate your comments. Mark Clattenburg gave the game away recently. Refs go into games with a plan. They officiate according to what they have planned for the game. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42219327For those who say refs aren't biased towards the big clubs I say bollocks. Might sometimes be sub-conscious but it's there nevertheless. Refs are no different to footballers or most of us in any walk of life, they want to reach the pinnacle that means FA Cup and Champions League finals, World Cup and Euro tournaments. You don't get that by causing controversy in the big games, you get that by keeping out of the papers when the big games are being talked about, keeping your head down and not making headlines. Aa ref should be seen and not heard. If you're going to cause controversy do it when little old Stoke are playing Swansea (Michael Oliver). If he didn't go into that game with the idea of giving a penalty the first time he saw grappling in the box then I'm a Chinaman. And the fact that it was Shawcross was an added bonus "Good old Michael Oliver" they cried, "It's about time that thug Shawcross got penalised for pulling in the box. This will show the rest of the Premier League that were clamping down on the issue" A week later, the same ref watched John Terry and Chris Smalling wrestling in the box in front of his eyes and gave nothing. But when Stoke and Swansea are involved todays headlines are tomorrow's fish and chip paper. Utter shithouses are Premier League refs.......
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Post by thegift on Mar 20, 2018 17:06:03 GMT
For those who say refs aren't biased towards the big clubs I say bollocks. Might sometimes be sub-conscious but it's there nevertheless. Refs are no different to footballers or most of us in any walk of life, they want to reach the pinnacle that means FA Cup and Champions League finals, World Cup and Euro tournaments. You don't get that by causing controversy in the big games, you get that by keeping out of the papers when the big games are being talked about, keeping your head down and not making headlines. Aa ref should be seen and not heard. If you're going to cause controversy do it when little old Stoke are playing Swansea (Michael Oliver). If he didn't go into that game with the idea of giving a penalty the first time he saw grappling in the box then I'm a Chinaman. And the fact that it was Shawcross was an added bonus "Good old Michael Oliver" they cried, "It's about time that thug Shawcross got penalised for pulling in the box. This will show the rest of the Premier League that were clamping down on the issue" A week later, the same ref watched John Terry and Chris Smalling wrestling in the box in front of his eyes and gave nothing. But when Stoke and Swansea are involved todays headlines are tomorrow's fish and chip paper. Utter shithouses are Premier League refs....... Whilst I'm not disagreeing... the media have to take some responsibly for this as well. Putting pressure consonantly on referee's.
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Post by raythesailor on Mar 20, 2018 17:15:38 GMT
We are all saying the same thing.
ATKINSON OR DEAN MUST NOT BE ALLOWED TO REFEREE OUR LAST GAME AT SWANSEA.
What is sad is that WE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO SAY THAT.
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Post by thegift on Mar 20, 2018 17:18:23 GMT
We are all saying the same thing. ATKINSON OR DEAN MUST NOT BE ALLOWED TO REFEREE OUR LAST GAME AT SWANSEA. What is sad is that WE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO SAY THAT. Someone needs to send the info to someone at stoke for them to look into. Its seriously looking like he is rigging our games.
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Post by Marc01 on Mar 20, 2018 17:40:12 GMT
I'm not disputing Saturday's red card - even a blind squirrel finds the odd nut as they say. However, I do have issue with Atkinson. It's just when you study his record as a whole when officiating our games, there is something that doesn't quite add up. Either he is just extremely incompetent, or he has an agenda of his own. Either way is doesn't make him a very good official for games involving Stoke. I actually got to the point of writing a letter back in 2010 following an episode of his at Sunderland. I've dug it out for old times sake. Some things don't change: I’d like to know who premiership referees answer to (if anyone) because it is becoming blatantly obvious that either the standards are dropping to a level that is dangerous for the future of the sport, or there is something more sinister going on. I refer you to one example from the recent Sunderland versus Stoke City match on Saturday 6th November 2010. In the second half of this match there was a clear handball from a Sunderland defender that took place on the goal line and clearly prevented a goal for Stoke City. Now, this incident was not something that occurred off the ball, it was not a high speed collision that can sometimes be difficult to adjudge, it was not a marginal, split second offside ruling. It was a clear handball that took place on the goal line. And it wasn’t even a split second handball, in fact, to quote the Sunday Times reporter ‘Cattermole allowed the ball to run almost the length of his raised arm’. There can be only two reasons why this penalty was not awarded. The first is complete incompetence on behalf of the official, the second is outright cheating. Now, if a well paid, qualified referee failed to spot this incident then in my opinion he should no longer be allowed to referee again. It was so blindingly obvious that it is the equivalent of driving down the M1 and losing a wheel, only to pull over and call out the RAC and be told, after inspection, ‘there’s nothing wrong here sir’. For the record I was sat 150 yards away, sitting behind a tall bloke wearing a hat, and was sending a text message to a friend whilst drinking a cup of tea – but I still spotted the infringement. You may therefore appreciate why I find it hard to believe that a so called professional who is paid to concentrate on the game and watch the ball failed to do so. Which unfortunately leads me to the conclusion that there may be something more sinister going on. I really would appreciate your comments. Mark Clattenburg gave the game away recently. Refs go into games with a plan. They officiate according to what they have planned for the game. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42219327I remember the Sunderland away game handball incident that derby potter refers to. It is fair to say that the ball was also over the line. Perhaps that and Saturday's offside goal is an example of Atkinson also 'briefing' his linesmen. The following quotes to Shawcross might give an insight...
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Post by Marc01 on Mar 20, 2018 17:42:13 GMT
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Post by Marc01 on Mar 20, 2018 17:45:09 GMT
Just read in Sentinel that Martin Atkinson has shown 20% of all red cards received by Stoke players in the Premier League; yet has not sent a single opposition player off during those very same matches. If true, that really takes some doing and goes well against the law of averages, especially when you appreciate that he was also stated to be the ref who allowed Mignolet to hack down Diouf earlier this season. Link to the article? Attachment Deleted
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2018 18:21:33 GMT
How low we've become. It was a blatant red card. Blame Adam, not Atkinson. It's not like you to miss the point
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Mar 20, 2018 18:24:52 GMT
How low we've become. It was a blatant red card. Blame Adam, not Atkinson. It's not like you to miss the point I see the bigger picture.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2018 18:33:17 GMT
It's not like you to miss the point I see the bigger picture. You don't otherwise you would have got the point as the bigger picture is: Sunderland handball - should have been a red and a penalty. Corner given Sunderland Huth - harsh red Newcastle - soft penalty, soft reds, misses handball leading to Newcastle goal Liverpool - yellow card for what could only ever have been a red Everton - harsh red. Failure to spot 2 offside Everton players for their goal. That's a bad / harsh decision against us in 20% of the games he's referred just from my memory. Thats the bigger picture. Once is an accident, twice is a coincidence, three times can only be a conspiracy
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Mar 20, 2018 18:35:06 GMT
I see the bigger picture. You don't otherwise you would have got the point as the bigger picture is: Sunderland handball - should have been a red and a penalty. Corner given Sunderland Huth - harsh red Newcastle - soft penalty, soft reds, misses handball leading to Newcastle goal Liverpool - yellow card for what could only ever have been a red Everton - harsh red. Failure to spot 2 offside Everton players for their goal. That's a bad / harsh decision against us in 20% of the games he's referred just from my memory. Thats the bigger picture. Once is an accident, twice is a coincidence, three times can only be a conspiracy Same could be said of Mike Dean against Arsenal. It's not a conspiracy it's just fans clutching for any excuse they can find. It was 100% a red card and I even said before it happened that I can picture Charlie getting sent off as he already went in recklessly on Davies. We got what we deserved...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2018 18:36:14 GMT
You don't otherwise you would have got the point as the bigger picture is: Sunderland handball - should have been a red and a penalty. Corner given Sunderland Huth - harsh red Newcastle - soft penalty, soft reds, misses handball leading to Newcastle goal Liverpool - yellow card for what could only ever have been a red Everton - harsh red. Failure to spot 2 offside Everton players for their goal. That's a bad / harsh decision against us in 20% of the games he's referred just from my memory. Thats the bigger picture. Once is an accident, twice is a coincidence, three times can only be a conspiracy Same could be said of Mike Dean against Arsenal. It's not a conspiracy it's just fans clutching for any excuse they can find. It was 100% a red card and I even said before it happened that I can picture Charlie getting sent off as he already went in recklessly on Davies. We got what we deserved... And the other decisions
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Mar 20, 2018 18:43:39 GMT
Same could be said of Mike Dean against Arsenal. It's not a conspiracy it's just fans clutching for any excuse they can find. It was 100% a red card and I even said before it happened that I can picture Charlie getting sent off as he already went in recklessly on Davies. We got what we deserved... And the other decisions Refereeing will never be consistent. We never mention anything when we rob other teams. Get over it pal.
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Post by Veritas on Mar 20, 2018 19:20:10 GMT
Refereeing will never be consistent. We never mention anything when we rob other teams. Get over it pal. I think the issue is that Atkinson does appear to be consistent when it comes to Stoke.
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Post by expectedtoulouse on Mar 20, 2018 19:38:38 GMT
If the 6 reds in 24 games is true and the 6 reds out of a total of 17 while being in the Premier League is true then that’s surely compelling evidence that he has a clear bias against us. If those stats held for every other ref we’d be getting 9 reds per season FFS!
Satturday was our first red of the season.
This needs to get attention.
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Post by jarhead on Mar 20, 2018 19:56:46 GMT
100% corruption in our game for sure.
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Post by Veritas on Mar 20, 2018 20:00:52 GMT
100% corruption in our game for sure. No there isn't, bias maybe, ineptitude possibly but corruption no way
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