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Post by chamberlain on Mar 20, 2018 13:23:47 GMT
All that matters is now though mate and he’s left us truly in the mire Not when you're looking back over someone's entire time at a club and assessing it it doesn't. He thoroughly deserved the sack and I sincerely hope he relegates Southampton and doesn't get another Prem job again after the wholly unnecessary mess he created. But the bad doesn't mean the good never happened. That's not how history works. Im not saying we didn’t all enjoy being that high up the table but in the grand scheme of things all that matters as a football club is the here and now . I say that as someone who welcomed Hughes s appointment
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 20, 2018 13:31:58 GMT
Not when you're looking back over someone's entire time at a club and assessing it it doesn't. He thoroughly deserved the sack and I sincerely hope he relegates Southampton and doesn't get another Prem job again after the wholly unnecessary mess he created. But the bad doesn't mean the good never happened. That's not how history works. Im not saying we didn’t all enjoy being that high up the table but in the grand scheme of things all that matters as a football club is the here and now . I say that as someone who welcomed Hughes s appointment That doesn't erase all the good stuff before. That's my point. I'm not saying Hughes didn't deserve the sack, but there's a huge history of good or decent managers staying too long and cocking things up and that doesn't mean they didn't do a good job at first.
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Post by thegift on Mar 20, 2018 13:37:39 GMT
Im not saying we didn’t all enjoy being that high up the table but in the grand scheme of things all that matters as a football club is the here and now . I say that as someone who welcomed Hughes s appointment That doesn't erase all the good stuff before. That's my point. I'm not saying Hughes didn't deserve the sack, but there's a huge history of good or decent managers staying too long and cocking things up and that doesn't mean they didn't do a good job at first. Toxic are you really that thick? He won fuck all, no trophies, and now hes relegating us into the next division. Yes mark, very well done you sack of shit.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2018 13:55:18 GMT
I'm labelling him as stupid due to his many examples of pure stupidity. Not sure how else I could define it to be honest? Okay, most people have done stupid mistakes. It's got nothing to do with intelligence though... Everyone makes mistakes. In my experience people who make lots of stupid mistakes time and time again are generally just stupid.....
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Mar 20, 2018 14:01:14 GMT
Okay, most people have done stupid mistakes. It's got nothing to do with intelligence though... Everyone makes mistakes. In my experience people who make lots of stupid mistakes time and time again are generally just stupid..... Sometimes the most intellectually gifted people make mistakes. Big mistakes. Common sense and intellect don't go together.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 20, 2018 14:04:37 GMT
But you do get banned 12 matches for violent conduct and betting on your own team ending your own career, I'm going off his conduct on the pitch, if he had a brain he would have had a much better career, more England caps etc, his idiocy held him back. Once again. Your career does not always define your intelligence. There are many intelligent people who are in prison or are homeless. You can't see past his conduct and attitude that's why you're labeling him as stupid. Because you DON'T LIKE HIM. Where have I said I don't like him, I just don't care about him tbh, he seems a bit of a prick but there's plenty of intelligent pricks but he's not one of them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2018 14:12:54 GMT
Everyone makes mistakes. In my experience people who make lots of stupid mistakes time and time again are generally just stupid..... Sometimes the most intellectually gifted people make mistakes. Big mistakes. Common sense and intellect don't go together. True. Unfortunately Barton has neither....
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Mar 20, 2018 14:16:46 GMT
Sometimes the most intellectually gifted people make mistakes. Big mistakes. Common sense and intellect don't go together. True. Unfortunately Barton has neither.... That's what you think except you don't even choose to listen to him so it's ignorant to say he has neither.
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Post by shangamuzo on Mar 20, 2018 14:22:55 GMT
True. Unfortunately Barton has neither.... That's what you think except you don't even choose to listen to him so it's ignorant to say he has neither. I would argue that common sense IS intelligence to a great extent.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2018 14:25:31 GMT
True. Unfortunately Barton has neither.... That's what you think except you don't even choose to listen to him so it's ignorant to say he has neither. He tried to re brand himself as an intellect, quoting Nietzsche and other famous philosophers. Josef Barton, misunderstood genius. People just took the piss out of him. He embarrassed himself on national TV during Question Time before finally accepting that working on a shite radio station being a rent-a-quote ex-footballer who comments on managers without having the balls to make the step himself was probably his best way of paying the bills. When he looks in the mirror in twenty years time he'll realise what a total dick he's been and how he's wasted his talent. No amount of bravado can kid him of that when the curtains of his mock tudor Merseyside mansion are closed at night and there's no one listening to him anymore. And if he doesn't already he'll realise just how stupid he actually was. The guys a fraud, a scumbag who'd be doing a ten year stretch in Strangeways for glassing someone in a pub in Toxteth over an argument about who was next on the pool table if he couldn't kick a ball about. Mark Hughes and other footballers/managers he's criticised over the years are worth ten of him.....
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 20, 2018 14:28:29 GMT
That doesn't erase all the good stuff before. That's my point. I'm not saying Hughes didn't deserve the sack, but there's a huge history of good or decent managers staying too long and cocking things up and that doesn't mean they didn't do a good job at first. Toxic are you really that thick? He won fuck all, no trophies, and now hes relegating us into the next division. Yes mark, very well done you sack of shit. Your opinion is worthless to me. Just so we’re clear.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Mar 20, 2018 14:28:40 GMT
That's what you think except you don't even choose to listen to him so it's ignorant to say he has neither. I would argue that common sense IS intelligence to a great extent. Well, to me there's a difference between being smart and being intelligent. Joey is an intelligent guy, he may not be that smart to these other posters though.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Mar 20, 2018 14:29:33 GMT
That's what you think except you don't even choose to listen to him so it's ignorant to say he has neither. He tried to re brand himself as an intellect, quoting Nietzsche and other famous philosophers. Josef Barton, misunderstood genius. People just took the piss out of him. He embarrassed himself on national TV during Question Time before finally accepting that working on a shite radio station being a rent-a-quote ex-footballer who comments on managers without having the balls to make the step himself was probably his best way of paying the bills. When he looks in the mirror in twenty years time he'll realise what a total dick he's been and how he's wasted his talent. No amount of bravado can kid him of that when the curtains of his mock tudor Merseyside mansion are closed at night and there's no one listening to him anymore. And if he doesn't already he'll realise just how stupid he actually was. The guys a fraud, a scumbag who'd be doing a ten year stretch in Strangeways for glassing someone in a pub in Toxteth over an argument about who was next on the pool table if he couldn't kick a ball about. Mark Hughes and other footballers/managers he's criticised over the years are worth ten of him..... I think people that don't understand him all have this same opinion on him.
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Post by shangamuzo on Mar 20, 2018 14:31:28 GMT
I would argue that common sense IS intelligence to a great extent. Well, to me there's a difference between being smart and being intelligent. Joey is an intelligent guy, he may not be that smart to these other posters though. I think he's both but of course it's subjective.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2018 14:31:43 GMT
He tried to re brand himself as an intellect, quoting Nietzsche and other famous philosophers. Josef Barton, misunderstood genius. People just took the piss out of him. He embarrassed himself on national TV during Question Time before finally accepting that working on a shite radio station being a rent-a-quote ex-footballer who comments on managers without having the balls to make the step himself was probably his best way of paying the bills. When he looks in the mirror in twenty years time he'll realise what a total dick he's been and how he's wasted his talent. No amount of bravado can kid him of that when the curtains of his mock tudor Merseyside mansion are closed at night and there's no one listening to him anymore. And if he doesn't already he'll realise just how stupid he actually was. The guys a fraud, a scumbag who'd be doing a ten year stretch in Strangeways for glassing someone in a pub in Toxteth over an argument about who was next on the pool table if he couldn't kick a ball about. Mark Hughes and other footballers/managers he's criticised over the years are worth ten of him..... I think people that don't understand him all have this same opinion on him. Cool. He's your kindred spirit I get it.....
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Post by thegift on Mar 20, 2018 14:32:17 GMT
Toxic are you really that thick? He won fuck all, no trophies, and now hes relegating us into the next division. Yes mark, very well done you sack of shit. Your opinion is worthless to me. Just so we’re clear. I'm glad.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Mar 20, 2018 14:37:15 GMT
Gifty, you're really not winning friends and influencing people lad. Take a step or two back when you have some time and consider the reaction you tend to get on here. Then ask yourself whether your approach is worth adjusting a little.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Mar 20, 2018 14:40:23 GMT
I think people that don't understand him all have this same opinion on him. Cool. He's your kindred spirit I get it..... No, I just understand him.
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Post by thegift on Mar 20, 2018 14:42:03 GMT
Gifty, you're really not winning friends and influencing people lad. Take a step or two back when you have some time and consider the reaction you tend to get on here. Then ask yourself whether your approach is worth adjusting a little. I'm not here to win friends. I'm giving my opinion on a stoke city message board. If you don't agree with it, that's no problem, i won't lose sleep over it. I am sick of seeing Toxic sticking up for Hughes when i've paid home and away all year and witnessed it with my own eyes to watch that utter fucking shambles. How you can defend it, is simply unbelievable, but he continues to do so because of three ninth place finishes. If 3 ninth place finishes warrants relegation, he needs his head checking.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 20, 2018 14:59:58 GMT
Gifty, you're really not winning friends and influencing people lad. Take a step or two back when you have some time and consider the reaction you tend to get on here. Then ask yourself whether your approach is worth adjusting a little. I'm not here to win friends. I'm giving my opinion on a stoke city message board. If you don't agree with it, that's no problem, i won't lose sleep over it. I am sick of seeing Toxic sticking up for Hughes when i've paid home and away all year and witnessed it with my own eyes to watch that utter fucking shambles. How you can defend it, is simply unbelievable, but he continues to do so because of three ninth place finishes. If 3 ninth place finishes warrants relegation, he needs his head checking. I’ve slagged Hughes off and repeatedly said he deserved to be sacked you moron.
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Post by chamberlain on Mar 20, 2018 17:23:37 GMT
Im not saying we didn’t all enjoy being that high up the table but in the grand scheme of things all that matters as a football club is the here and now . I say that as someone who welcomed Hughes s appointment That doesn't erase all the good stuff before. That's my point. I'm not saying Hughes didn't deserve the sack, but there's a huge history of good or decent managers staying too long and cocking things up and that doesn't mean they didn't do a good job at first. It doesn’t erase the good stuff correct , but he’s set this club back I reckon 5 seasons because that’s how long it will take to sort this mess out so I won’t be thanking him for the 9th place finishes
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 20, 2018 17:28:01 GMT
That doesn't erase all the good stuff before. That's my point. I'm not saying Hughes didn't deserve the sack, but there's a huge history of good or decent managers staying too long and cocking things up and that doesn't mean they didn't do a good job at first. It doesn’t erase the good stuff correct , but he’s set this club back I reckon 5 seasons because that’s how long it will take to sort this mess out so I won’t be thanking him for the 9th place finishes And that's fair enough. I don't think anyone is are they?
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Post by thegift on Mar 20, 2018 17:28:26 GMT
It doesn’t erase the good stuff correct , but he’s set this club back I reckon 5 seasons because that’s how long it will take to sort this mess out so I won’t be thanking him for the 9th place finishes And that's fair enough. I don't think anyone is are they? You! You never shut up about it!
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 20, 2018 17:38:14 GMT
And that's fair enough. I don't think anyone is are they? You! You never shut up about it! 1) Isn't it a bit rich you accusing someone of never shutting up about something? 2) Anyone who isn't thick as whale spunk can see the point I'm making isn't one of praising Hughes, who I wanted sacked months before he was, but to spell out that he hasn't always been a shit manager and actually did a decent job for us for a time. Now I'm done with you. To be honest even responding to you is debasing myself. Good luck with the next identity, try not to rough up any female stewards for a bit, there's a lad.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Mar 20, 2018 17:44:04 GMT
let's all just agree that he's a manager nobody wants to see again in our dugout.
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 20, 2018 18:49:54 GMT
Wow, evidently Hughes is now to blame for Blackburns demise.
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Post by thegift on Mar 20, 2018 19:04:50 GMT
You! You never shut up about it! 1) Isn't it a bit rich you accusing someone of never shutting up about something? 2) Anyone who isn't thick as whale spunk can see the point I'm making isn't one of praising Hughes, who I wanted sacked months before he was, but to spell out that he hasn't always been a shit manager and actually did a decent job for us for a time. Now I'm done with you. To be honest even responding to you is debasing myself. Good luck with the next identity, try not to rough up any female stewards for a bit, there's a lad. Rough up any female stewards? Please explain, this is a new one to me
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Post by ParaPsych on Mar 20, 2018 19:09:13 GMT
I can't be fucking doing with / keeping up with this you used to have another identity bollocks especially from someone who definitely does have a new name, although has been fairly open about that so please explain to me who thegift is supposed to be so I can share in the inside knowledge.
I just thought he was a random nutter. How come they are always supposed to be the same person and who the fuck is that supposed to be anyway ?
This shit is hard to keep up with.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 20, 2018 19:13:39 GMT
I can't be fucking doing with / keeping up with this you used to have another identity bollocks especially from someone who definitely does have a new name, although has been fairly open about that so please explain to me who thegift is supposed to be so I can share in the inside knowledge. I just thought he was a random nutter. How come they are always supposed to be the same person and who the fuck is that supposed to be anyway ? This shit is hard to keep up with. You don’t like me much, do you? He was pasa, tpbarmyarmy, zigiiiiiiiic’sviews, 811, and various others.
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Post by thegift on Mar 20, 2018 19:18:12 GMT
I can't be fucking doing with / keeping up with this you used to have another identity bollocks especially from someone who definitely does have a new name, although has been fairly open about that so please explain to me who thegift is supposed to be so I can share in the inside knowledge. I just thought he was a random nutter. How come they are always supposed to be the same person and who the fuck is that supposed to be anyway ? This shit is hard to keep up with. You don’t like me much, do you? He was pasa, tpbarmyarmy, zigiiiiiiiic’sviews, 811, and various others. I have been neither of them you clown
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