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Post by thegift on Mar 19, 2018 11:19:16 GMT
Joey Barton talking from experience: "Mark Hughes is a shocking manager, he has no people skills, he is abysmal"
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Mar 19, 2018 11:26:15 GMT
He's 100% right. He can be a complete bellend, but he's an intelligent guy.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2018 11:27:52 GMT
Yet Danny Murphy says he’s one of the best managers he’s ever worked under.
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Post by thegift on Mar 19, 2018 11:29:21 GMT
Yet Danny Murphy says he’s one of the best managers he’s ever worked under. Danny Murphy is a total wierdo though mate.. but before you do, there's no point even disgusting savage's opinion on Hughes either. Its irrelevant. Barton says it how it is.
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Mar 19, 2018 11:30:31 GMT
I don't often agree with Joey...
Special mention for Jim White(wanker) this morning taking Alan Brazil to task because Brazil was defending Mourinho because "he liked him"- White(wanker)says that's not a reason to defend him, although last week he was defending Gold & Sullivan because he "liked them" and they were "nice people" I fucking hate that wanker.
Barton pulled him up on that too, fair play.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 19, 2018 11:32:44 GMT
Can't disagree with anything Barton says there, especially the bit about football management. Never ceases to amaze me.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 19, 2018 11:33:16 GMT
I heard that. Joey is a mardarse thug who hates Hughes for personal reasons but I think he is right about one thing, the more opportunity Hughes gets to put his stamp on a side the worse they eventually become. I think Southampton will stay up, he certainly has initial respect from players for the player he was and Eddie is a good coach so they’ll probably get a decent lift out of what isn’t a bottom three squad. Three windows in I predict they’ll be ready to throw him in the Solent.
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Post by thegift on Mar 19, 2018 11:35:37 GMT
I heard that. Joey is a mardarse thug who hates Hughes for personal reasons but I think he is right about one thing, the more opportunity Hughes gets to put his stamp on a side the worse they eventually become. I think Southampton will stay up, he certainly has initial respect from players for the player he was and Eddie is a good coach so they’ll probably get a decent lift out of what isn’t a bottom three squad. Three windows in I predict they’ll be ready to throw him in the Solent. Difference is, their owners will pull the plug a lot sooner than Coates did when there is a hint of it going tits up
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Post by biglad180 on Mar 19, 2018 11:59:42 GMT
don't like barton but he is speaking the truth there.
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Post by PolPotter on Mar 19, 2018 12:01:35 GMT
Barton is a tool. Shit bin.
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Post by thegift on Mar 19, 2018 12:03:34 GMT
Barton is a tool. Shit bin. Truth hurts doesn't it, Mark?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2018 12:04:02 GMT
Yet Danny Murphy says he’s one of the best managers he’s ever worked under. Danny Murphy is a total wierdo though mate.. but before you do, there's no point even disgusting savage's opinion on Hughes either. Its irrelevant. Barton says it how it is. Danny Murphy's also just "saying it how it is" though That's what people do when they give their opinion on something/someone?
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Post by thegift on Mar 19, 2018 12:05:09 GMT
Danny Murphy is a total wierdo though mate.. but before you do, there's no point even disgusting savage's opinion on Hughes either. Its irrelevant. Barton says it how it is. Danny Murphy's also just "saying it how it is" though That's what people do when they give their opinion on something/someone? Danny Murphy is another one with a massive love in for Hughes. Its like asking Steven Gerard's opinion on Liverpool.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2018 12:08:24 GMT
Danny Murphy's also just "saying it how it is" though That's what people do when they give their opinion on something/someone? Danny Murphy is another one with a massive love in for Hughes. Its like asking Steven Gerard's opinion on Liverpool. Murphy has a massive love in for Hughes BECAUSE he enjoyed working with him. Barton hates him because he didn't. In that respect they both have an agenda don't they?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2018 12:09:30 GMT
I heard that. Joey is a mardarse thug who hates Hughes for personal reasons but I think he is right about one thing, the more opportunity Hughes gets to put his stamp on a side the worse they eventually become. I think Southampton will stay up, he certainly has initial respect from players for the player he was and Eddie is a good coach so they’ll probably get a decent lift out of what isn’t a bottom three squad. Three windows in I predict they’ll be ready to throw him in the Solent. Difference is, their owners will pull the plug a lot sooner than Coates did when there is a hint of it going tits up I don't know about that, Look how long they persevered with san Pelligrino!
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Post by thegift on Mar 19, 2018 12:10:47 GMT
Danny Murphy is another one with a massive love in for Hughes. Its like asking Steven Gerard's opinion on Liverpool. Murphy has a massive love in for Hughes BECAUSE he enjoyed working with him. Barton hates him because he didn't. In that respect they both have an agenda don't they? Barton played under Hughes though... So they can't of had a bad relationship.
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Post by rosco on Mar 19, 2018 12:13:07 GMT
Barton and Hughes had a massive fall out at QPR.
Like any manager they'll be those who like him and those who don't. I wouldn't read too much into it.
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Post by mrred on Mar 19, 2018 12:13:11 GMT
Danny Murphy is another one with a massive love in for Hughes. Its like asking Steven Gerard's opinion on Liverpool. Murphy has a massive love in for Hughes BECAUSE he enjoyed working with him. Barton hates him because he didn't. In that respect they both have an agenda don't they? Barton's not the first person to say Hughes is a peculiar bloke. You could put 2 and 2 together just by the way he operated. Barely took a training session, never went to scout upcoming opposition, never went to watch scouted players, when he's off the clock, he couldn't give a flying fuck (by his own admission). That's not a new, progressive management style, that's taking the piss.
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Post by wokinghampotter on Mar 19, 2018 12:13:34 GMT
so you all thought Mark was shit when we were outplaying the likes of Arsenal, Man Utd, Liverpool did you?
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Post by thegift on Mar 19, 2018 12:14:31 GMT
Barton and Hughes had a massive fall out at QPR. Like any manager they'll be those who like him and those who don't. I wouldn't read too much into it. Even Bojan has hinted he hated him.
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Post by metalhead on Mar 19, 2018 12:14:48 GMT
Subjective personal opinion by Joey.... and I'm one to generally defend Barton as he's usually on the wrong end of flack.
Barton says he was shit. Savage says he was good. Subjective.
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Post by lancyclaret on Mar 19, 2018 12:15:10 GMT
Until Hughes was appointed, I was not particularly bothered whether Saints stayed up or not. Now I am hoping they get dragged into the bottom three and stay there.
It's not the Blackburn connection, although his arrogance when we played them in the 2001/2002 season still sticks in my throat. All through his managerial career, I've hardly ever heard him give credit to the opposition - win, draw or lose.
I just hope they do not stay up thanks to that referee-assisted last-minute equaliser which Bobby Madley set up at Turf Moor three weeks ago.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 19, 2018 12:15:31 GMT
Barton has an agenda against Hughes.
Hughes clearly isn’t an abysmal manager. He isn’t a brilliant one either.
Boring isn’t it, when the answer’s somewhere in between?
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Post by thegift on Mar 19, 2018 12:16:15 GMT
so you all thought Mark was shit when we were outplaying the likes of Arsenal, Man Utd, Liverpool did you? Mark has always been a Shit House - Sank QPR and didn't want him here in the first place. Yes it was nice beating them teams, anyone who disagree's would be lying, but i knew deep down it was all going to come to a slow and painful end. hence my thread nearly a year ago now regarding what we were turning into.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2018 12:16:30 GMT
Murphy has a massive love in for Hughes BECAUSE he enjoyed working with him. Barton hates him because he didn't. In that respect they both have an agenda don't they? Barton played under Hughes though... So they can't of had a bad relationship. He acted like an utter tool when QPR needed a result at Man City to stay up, he was sent off for a tackle and then tried to fight the whole Man City team before being dragged off the pitch. Ironically it was our draw with Bolton that kept them up despite Barton's actions. He's bitter because the club and Hughes stripped him of his captaincy, suspended him and then refused to give him a squad number. I have no doubt there is some merit in what Barton says about Hughes' weaknesses as a manager but taking what he says about Hughes at face value would be like taking babysitting advice from Ian Huntley.....
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 19, 2018 12:17:20 GMT
Murphy has a massive love in for Hughes BECAUSE he enjoyed working with him. Barton hates him because he didn't. In that respect they both have an agenda don't they? Barton played under Hughes though... So they can't of had a bad relationship. Are you for real? Seriously? Danny Murphy played under Mark Hughes and loved him. So did Vincent Kompany. So did Craig Bellamy. So did Shay Given. So did Dembele. So did many others. Barton played under Hughes and hated him. So did Brede Hangerland (sp?). Mark Schwarzer, I believe, wasn't particularly enamoured either. I know David Dunn pretty well and he loves Mark Hughes and said the coaching team of Bowen and Eddie are the best he's worked with as a player. My boy played in the same team as Lucas Neil's son and Lucas Neil also speaks glowingly of Hughes, Bowen and Eddie. Some players will like him. Some will not. That is the same at Stoke as it will have been at other clubs he's been at.
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Post by thegift on Mar 19, 2018 12:18:31 GMT
Barton played under Hughes though... So they can't of had a bad relationship. Are you for real? Seriously? Danny Murphy played under Mark Hughes and loved him. So did Vincent Kompany. So did Craig Bellamy. So did Shay Given. So did Dembele. So did many others. Barton played under Hughes and hated him. So did Brede Hangerland (sp?). Mark Schwarzer, I believe, wasn't particularly enamoured either. I know David Dunn pretty well and he loves Mark Hughes and said the coaching team of Bowen and Eddie are the best he's worked with as a player. My boy played in the same team as Lucas Neil's son and Lucas Neil also speaks glowingly of Hughes, Bowen and Eddie. Some players will like him. Some will not. That is the same at Stoke as it will have been at other clubs he's been at. So why did Hughes keep picking him when there relationship was as bad as its being made out?
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Post by lancyclaret on Mar 19, 2018 12:18:55 GMT
Conspiracy theory...Southampton are home to Man City on the final day. With the title wrapped up, Would City "go easy" on Saints? Of course there is the Man United connection, but he did OK as manager of City.
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Post by thegift on Mar 19, 2018 12:20:29 GMT
Conspiracy theory...Southampton are home to Man City on the final day. With the title wrapped up, Would City "go easy" on Saints? Doubt it.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 19, 2018 12:20:40 GMT
Are you for real? Seriously? Danny Murphy played under Mark Hughes and loved him. So did Vincent Kompany. So did Craig Bellamy. So did Shay Given. So did Dembele. So did many others. Barton played under Hughes and hated him. So did Brede Hangerland (sp?). Mark Schwarzer, I believe, wasn't particularly enamoured either. I know David Dunn pretty well and he loves Mark Hughes and said the coaching team of Bowen and Eddie are the best he's worked with as a player. My boy played in the same team as Lucas Neil's son and Lucas Neil also speaks glowingly of Hughes, Bowen and Eddie. Some players will like him. Some will not. That is the same at Stoke as it will have been at other clubs he's been at. So why did Hughes keep picking him when there relationship was as bad as its being made out? Keep picking who? As has been mentioned above, Joey Barton didn't hate Hughes when he was playing regularly and captain of the team. He hated Hughes when he wasn't picked at all, was stripped of the captaincy, wasn't given a squad number, wasn't allowed to train with the first team and was sent out on loan to any club that would have him.
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