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Post by Pugsley on Mar 13, 2018 6:33:44 GMT
Zero shots on target suggests otherwise. Less than 4 goals conceded counters your argument. As does our defiance in the face of a defeat. Under Hughes we would have capitulated We don't look like scoring a goal march, how are we going to win the games we need to? Lambert has to find a balance. Last night we had 3 forwards on the pitch but they were isolated and spread out across the pitch. None of them stood a chance with the hoofball tactics employed by the manager. We literally passed it back to Butland every time for him to hoof it. It was diabolical.
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Post by Beloved Monkfish on Mar 13, 2018 6:41:36 GMT
Man City are brilliant and it's perhaps a bit harsh to say we 'sat back'; we were constantly forced back by their fantastic pressing. They didn't give Bruno or Zouma a minute on the ball. However, having said that, we've not got a clue what to do with the ball (on the few occasions we've got it) and I've got no idea what we're trying to achieve. It's ok though, cuz Lambert keeps waving his arms and pointing at space whilst screaming, "come on, keep going!"
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Mar 13, 2018 6:59:40 GMT
I could have done with stoke what paul lambert has done so far.
Rubbish
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2018 7:29:30 GMT
Less than 4 goals conceded counters your argument. As does our defiance in the face of a defeat. Under Hughes we would have capitulated We don't look like scoring a goal march, how are we going to win the games we need to? Lambert has to find a balance. Last night we had 3 forwards on the pitch but they were isolated and spread out across the pitch. None of them stood a chance with the hoofball tactics employed by the manager. We literally passed it back to Butland every time for him to hoof it. It was diabolical. Which manager would look like scoring with our current centre forward options?
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 13, 2018 7:35:01 GMT
We don't look like scoring a goal march, how are we going to win the games we need to? Lambert has to find a balance. Last night we had 3 forwards on the pitch but they were isolated and spread out across the pitch. None of them stood a chance with the hoofball tactics employed by the manager. We literally passed it back to Butland every time for him to hoof it. It was diabolical. Which manager would look like scoring with our current centre forward options? True, but those of us who weren't ecstatic about our squad were repeatedly told not to worry, and that we wouldn't go down. I've never seen us look so goal shy. We looked this way in our first game with Everton, and we look no better for the next one.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2018 7:38:02 GMT
Which manager would look like scoring with our current centre forward options? True, but those of us who weren't ecstatic about our squad were repeatedly told not to worry, and that we wouldn't go down. I've never seen us look so goal shy. We looked this way in our first game with Everton, and we look no better for the next one. Why are you telling me that? I was one who was ridiculed on deadline day for daring to suggest we needed one or two. The argument against Lambert here is ridiculous. For two years people have moaned the squad isn't good enough, isn't fit enough, isn't balanced enough, doesn't have any outstanding features yet all of a sudden it is on a manager who has come in and had 7 games to sort out 2 years of neglect, and in that time frame also hasn't been backed by the people who appointed him.
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Post by potterpaul on Mar 13, 2018 7:44:13 GMT
We don't look like scoring a goal march, how are we going to win the games we need to? Lambert has to find a balance. Last night we had 3 forwards on the pitch but they were isolated and spread out across the pitch. None of them stood a chance with the hoofball tactics employed by the manager. We literally passed it back to Butland every time for him to hoof it. It was diabolical. Which manager would look like scoring with our current centre forward options? A manager who doesn't use hoofball with a front line that are better with the ball at their feet. It's no better than Hughes playing a wingback system with no fucking wingbacks.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 13, 2018 7:45:33 GMT
True, but those of us who weren't ecstatic about our squad were repeatedly told not to worry, and that we wouldn't go down. I've never seen us look so goal shy. We looked this way in our first game with Everton, and we look no better for the next one. Why are you telling me that? I was one who was ridiculed on deadline day for daring to suggest we needed one or two. The argument against Lambert here is ridiculous. For two years people have moaned the squad isn't good enough, isn't fit enough, isn't balanced enough, doesn't have any outstanding features yet all of a sudden it is on a manager who has come in and had 7 games to sort out 2 years of neglect, and in that time frame also hasn't been backed by the people who appointed him. I nearly put "were you one of them?" because I thought you had bemoaned our lack of signings. Sorry, I got distracted. I totally agree with you, by the way. Lambert is polishing a turd.
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Post by thegift on Mar 13, 2018 8:55:37 GMT
Less than 4 goals conceded counters your argument. As does our defiance in the face of a defeat. Under Hughes we would have capitulated We don't look like scoring a goal march, how are we going to win the games we need to? Lambert has to find a balance. Last night we had 3 forwards on the pitch but they were isolated and spread out across the pitch. None of them stood a chance with the hoofball tactics employed by the manager. We literally passed it back to Butland every time for him to hoof it. It was diabolical. Your mate hughes would of started with berahino, wimmer, fletcher and adam, and we would of lost 10-0
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Post by thevoid on Mar 13, 2018 9:25:05 GMT
To be embarrassed to lose 2-0 against Man City is just ridiculous. it wasn't the result, it was the manner in which we lost. We turned up to lose. We had lost before a ball was kicked A bit like Valencia away then.
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Post by thegift on Mar 13, 2018 9:30:21 GMT
it wasn't the result, it was the manner in which we lost. We turned up to lose. We had lost before a ball was kicked A bit like Valencia away then. Least we could score.....
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Post by GoBoks on Mar 13, 2018 9:50:57 GMT
I could have done with stoke what paul lambert has done so far. Rubbish Prove it.
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Post by GoBoks on Mar 13, 2018 9:54:19 GMT
We don't look like scoring a goal march, how are we going to win the games we need to? Lambert has to find a balance. Last night we had 3 forwards on the pitch but they were isolated and spread out across the pitch. None of them stood a chance with the hoofball tactics employed by the manager. We literally passed it back to Butland every time for him to hoof it. It was diabolical. Which manager would look like scoring with our current centre forward options? Against a ManC ream that has done the same to much much much better teams than us?
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Mar 13, 2018 9:55:43 GMT
Ive felt like this since the Bournemouth defeat. We turned a good solid away win into a loss due to shit fitness levels.
Its been fun while it lasted
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Post by thegift on Mar 13, 2018 9:57:48 GMT
Which manager would look like scoring with our current centre forward options? Against a ManC ream that has done the same to much much much better teams than us? As i said, its not the scoreline, 2-0, 10-0, 6-1. But you think it's acceptable to let man city pass the ball, not in their 18 yard box, but on the HALF WAY line, without no one interested in making a challenge? If they hadn't of attacked us, they would of just passed the ball on the half way line for 80 mins. It was out right cringeworthy and embarrassing.
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Post by pez75 on Mar 13, 2018 10:10:06 GMT
2-0, 5-0, or 10-0. Man city, or no Man city. Todays performance has been Shambolic - & Lambert has to take the flack for this. Its clear he is not a premier league standard of manager, i didn't want him here originally, i supported him the second he was in charge but tonights performance has done it for me, and i will happily apologise to everyone i doubted, Lambert simply does not have a clue. I get man city are probably one of the best in the world, but to set up this way and continue with the same players we've seen for the past few weeks has no excuse. - Jese starting up front, on his own. We win the ball and it goes straight back to them, he's not the player we need up front on his own, especially against man city. Crouch looked much better when coming on, when the game was out of sight at 2-0. - Choupo-Moting is an absolutely disgrace to wear the red and white shirt. WHAT DOES LAMBERT SEE IN HIM? No effort, no commitment and not interested, once again, for about the 7th game in a row. - Seeing charlie Adam and Glen Johnson on the bench makes me depressed. No Affa, no Ireland, no Campbell... Ireland is not injured. Him and lambert obviously still have a grudge from years ago at villa. - Indi has had the worst performance i've seen in a stoke shirt. - Staffy Not good enough and can't track his men, not a clue where his position is and totally out of his depth. -Ramadan given 3 minutes, its laughable. We are sat back with 11 men behind the ball, but we are sat so deep they are just passing the ball across the half way line and making us look like a fucking joke and have turned it into a training game, there not even out of first gear. They've taken the piss out of us. We went 1-0 down and the same shit continued with the game being virtually over. We will go down on goal difference now anyway, we need the points at least put up some fight. We have just turned up to lose. What is the point. I'm embarrassed tonight & the championship beckons. Wow - you have changed your tune from the other day: "You don't get a squad premier league fit in 1 month. How do you expect us to set up and have a game plan to beat man City? Man city - £221M Stoke - £57M Please explain. " I was merely stating that Lambert could have shown more bollocks in previous games against winnable opposition yet you defended him with copious wank excuses and effectively said that the Man City game was unwinnable and it was not Lambert's fault??? Now we are doomed and Lambert needs a'lynching? Are you bipolar or just an attention seeker?
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Post by metalhead on Mar 13, 2018 10:13:43 GMT
I definitely think Ramadan should have come on earlier. I mean, it's the perfect game to reintroduce him and see if he's ready for the fight which will determine our fate. 3 minutes wasn't really enough.
Other than that, I just think they were too good for us unfortunately.
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Post by thegift on Mar 13, 2018 10:17:33 GMT
2-0, 5-0, or 10-0. Man city, or no Man city. Todays performance has been Shambolic - & Lambert has to take the flack for this. Its clear he is not a premier league standard of manager, i didn't want him here originally, i supported him the second he was in charge but tonights performance has done it for me, and i will happily apologise to everyone i doubted, Lambert simply does not have a clue. I get man city are probably one of the best in the world, but to set up this way and continue with the same players we've seen for the past few weeks has no excuse. - Jese starting up front, on his own. We win the ball and it goes straight back to them, he's not the player we need up front on his own, especially against man city. Crouch looked much better when coming on, when the game was out of sight at 2-0. - Choupo-Moting is an absolutely disgrace to wear the red and white shirt. WHAT DOES LAMBERT SEE IN HIM? No effort, no commitment and not interested, once again, for about the 7th game in a row. - Seeing charlie Adam and Glen Johnson on the bench makes me depressed. No Affa, no Ireland, no Campbell... Ireland is not injured. Him and lambert obviously still have a grudge from years ago at villa. - Indi has had the worst performance i've seen in a stoke shirt. - Staffy Not good enough and can't track his men, not a clue where his position is and totally out of his depth. -Ramadan given 3 minutes, its laughable. We are sat back with 11 men behind the ball, but we are sat so deep they are just passing the ball across the half way line and making us look like a fucking joke and have turned it into a training game, there not even out of first gear. They've taken the piss out of us. We went 1-0 down and the same shit continued with the game being virtually over. We will go down on goal difference now anyway, we need the points at least put up some fight. We have just turned up to lose. What is the point. I'm embarrassed tonight & the championship beckons. Wow - you have changed your tune from the other day: "You don't get a squad premier league fit in 1 month. How do you expect us to set up and have a game plan to beat man City? Man city - £221M Stoke - £57M Please explain. " I was merely stating that Lambert could have shown more bollocks in previous games against winnable opposition yet you defended him with copious wank excuses and effectively said that the Man City game was unwinnable and it was not Lambert's fault??? Now we are doomed and Lambert needs a'lynching? Are you bipolar or just an attention seeker? More than happy to explain. I didn't expect us to beat man city, or come close to beating them, if you read the original i have said again it was the manner in which we lost, now the actual loss itself. We just let them take the piss out of us. It was cringeworthy. Again it wasn't the fitness that was the problem, we're clearly fitter, and yes i have changed my tune because we had given them the win before a ball was kicked, to me, there's simply no excuse for that.
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Post by stokie23 on Mar 13, 2018 10:18:03 GMT
To be embarrassed to lose 2-0 against Man City is just ridiculous. it wasn't the result, it was the manner in which we lost. We turned up to lose. We had lost before a ball was kicked I have to agree with this, I genuinely felt like we were down after last night and people will say ‘what did you expect, we were playing the league champions’ but it was the lack of effort, the standing off, the lone striker, the persistence with Choupo on the wing, the acceptance of a defeat. Very disappointing - it almost seemed like Lambert didn’t want the players to run about because they were being saved for Saturday. A certain Mr Hughes threw a game at Chelsea for Newcastle and that was the final straw for most people. Lambert must earn his wage this Saturday.
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Post by icelandpotter on Mar 13, 2018 10:18:19 GMT
Sorry but it's not necessary. Man City have given almost every team a kicking. You simply cannot judge the team or performance on that. The fact we kepy it at 2-0 means not all is lost for me. the same has been said each time since Lambo arrived "You can't judge us on a draw at home to Brighton because Charlie missed a penalty in the last minute" etc. no excuses for playing Choupo, no excuses for not shoving a hot poker up their backsides to get them fired up for this and previous games, no excuses to not add Ramadan before 3 mins remaining
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Post by MilanStokie on Mar 13, 2018 16:18:10 GMT
Sorry but it's not necessary. Man City have given almost every team a kicking. You simply cannot judge the team or performance on that. The fact we kepy it at 2-0 means not all is lost for me. the same has been said each time since Lambo arrived "You can't judge us on a draw at home to Brighton because Charlie missed a penalty in the last minute" etc. no excuses for playing Choupo, no excuses for not shoving a hot poker up their backsides to get them fired up for this and previous games, no excuses to not add Ramadan before 3 mins remaining no one has said that... lambert quite rightly is trying to ensure some modicum of motivation. what would you have preferred we did after failing to win the winnable games? fines? docked wages?? at the end of the day, this man city team is light years ahead of every single team in the country and only 2 or 3 can match them on a good day. in what world can you judge the performance or result on that? if we fail to beat everton then yes. but you are simply deluded if you EXPECTED anything more than 0 points yesterday
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Post by thegift on Mar 13, 2018 16:23:49 GMT
the same has been said each time since Lambo arrived "You can't judge us on a draw at home to Brighton because Charlie missed a penalty in the last minute" etc. no excuses for playing Choupo, no excuses for not shoving a hot poker up their backsides to get them fired up for this and previous games, no excuses to not add Ramadan before 3 mins remaining no one has said that... lambert quite rightly is trying to ensure some modicum of motivation. what would you have preferred we did after failing to win the winnable games? fines? docked wages?? at the end of the day, this man city team is light years ahead of every single team in the country and only 2 or 3 can match them on a good day. in what world can you judge the performance or result on that? if we fail to beat everton then yes. but you are simply deluded if you EXPECTED anything more than 0 points yesterday Expected us to put up more of a fight, and to not just stroll round the pitch like they were on a beach in Cyprus.
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Post by vahl on Mar 13, 2018 16:28:24 GMT
Ive felt like this since the Bournemouth defeat. We turned a good solid away win into a loss due to shit fitness levels. Its been fun while it lasted The Bournemouth game back in October showed the first real signs that we were relegation potentials for me. We were at home and just seemed to lack any kind of ideas on the ball - it has degraded from there considerably to this point. We have to keep plodding on and hoping for the best. We can still do it and it will be our version of The Great Escape when we do. I have been looking at our last 4 fixtures in a strange way for months and I'm starting to think I know why now!
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Post by MilanStokie on Mar 13, 2018 18:06:11 GMT
no one has said that... lambert quite rightly is trying to ensure some modicum of motivation. what would you have preferred we did after failing to win the winnable games? fines? docked wages?? at the end of the day, this man city team is light years ahead of every single team in the country and only 2 or 3 can match them on a good day. in what world can you judge the performance or result on that? if we fail to beat everton then yes. but you are simply deluded if you EXPECTED anything more than 0 points yesterday Expected us to put up more of a fight, and to not just stroll round the pitch like they were on a beach in Cyprus. Well I didn't see that so not sure what you noticed. man city have had 70%+ poses sion in almost every game. perhaps what you are deeming as players on the beach is just players struggling to get the ball back against a world class 11.... just a thought.
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Post by blackpoolred on Mar 13, 2018 18:25:25 GMT
We can't really judge our manager on games against City, he also inherited the pile of crap he has now. That said Wigan and Basle have beaten them in recent weeks and they supposedly looked tired against Basle - who knows what could have happened if we could have got a goal back against a fatigued City
2-0, 10-0 does not make much difference at the moment, we needed to show some ambition and a bit more courage going forward, we are playing with too much fear and seem incapable of making something happen. Get the feeling the club/manager were delighted with keeping it down to 2-0 - I just don't get that attitude.
Nothing to lose now - go out and give it a go, show some bottle and let's not go down with a whimper
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 13, 2018 18:42:18 GMT
We can't really judge our manager on games against City, he also inherited the pile of crap he has now. That said Wigan and Basle have beaten them in recent weeks and they supposedly looked tired against Basle - who knows what could have happened if we could have got a goal back against a fatigued City 2-0, 10-0 does not make much difference at the moment, we needed to show some ambition and a bit more courage going forward, we are playing with too much fear and seem incapable of making something happen. Get the feeling the club/manager were delighted with keeping it down to 2-0 - I just don't get that attitude. Nothing to lose now - go out and give it a go, show some bottle and let's not go down with a whimper Or a Wimmer.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Mar 13, 2018 19:10:37 GMT
Man City area streets ahead of any other team in the league at the moment. That was as good a 0-2 battering as you'll see. Does it affect our chances of staving off relegation. No. The reaction on Saturday is what matters.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Mar 13, 2018 19:20:39 GMT
Man City area streets ahead of any other team in the league at the moment. That was as good a 0-2 battering as you'll see. Does it affect our chances of staving off relegation. No. The reaction on Saturday is what matters. Ominously Pepelepeu I heard something similar after the Chelsea game!
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Post by GoBoks on Mar 13, 2018 20:22:36 GMT
Against a ManC ream that has done the same to much much much better teams than us? As i said, its not the scoreline, 2-0, 10-0, 6-1. But you think it's acceptable to let man city pass the ball, not in their 18 yard box, but on the HALF WAY line, without no one interested in making a challenge? If they hadn't of attacked us, they would of just passed the ball on the half way line for 80 mins. It was out right cringeworthy and embarrassing. If the choices are get hammered 7-2 and "try". Or defend like crazy and hope for a lucky break, but get beaten 2-0, in our circumstances for the reasons i've already mentioned, I'd go for the 2-0 every day of the week.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2018 20:48:09 GMT
As i said, its not the scoreline, 2-0, 10-0, 6-1. But you think it's acceptable to let man city pass the ball, not in their 18 yard box, but on the HALF WAY line, without no one interested in making a challenge? If they hadn't of attacked us, they would of just passed the ball on the half way line for 80 mins. It was out right cringeworthy and embarrassing. If the choices are get hammered 7-2 and "try". Or defend like crazy and hope for a lucky break, but get beaten 2-0, in our circumstances for the reasons i've already mentioned, I'd go for the 2-0 every day of the week. Yep 100% with you there let not try just give up before a balls kicked it's all too hard. Yep 0-2 every week sounds ace although I'm not sure we would win the league.
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