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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2018 19:38:00 GMT
When we don't win will the players, manager and board get to see and hear what we really think of them? I think everyone knows that fuck ups have been made this year, but I make fuck ups in my job, you make fuck ups in your job...everyone makes fuck ups. I don't think at any point you could accuse the players (with one or two dishonorable exceptions) of not trying. They've just not been good enough and not been made fit enough by the last manager- that's not their fault, they do what they're told to do in training and set-up how they're told to set up in matches. The current manager's inherited a shit situation. I didn't want him really, I thought he was a poor choice, but I've been impressed with how he's organised what was previously a disorganised rabble. It's not his fault if we go down. The board made a huge mistake in not getting rid of Hughes sooner, but have provided decent financial backing this year, as always. We spent £18m on Wimmer, £7m on Martins Indi, £14m on N'Diaye, £5m on Bauer as well as the signing on or loan fees for Choupo, Fletcher and Zouma. That's a fair amount of cash. If we go down it's due to mistakes. Humans make mistakes. Whoever drove the Berahino, Wimmer and Imbula deals needs sacking, but I suspect that man's already left the club. What are you advocating here, Dave, that we start some sort of protest or just do a bit of booing? If it's the latter then fine, but I don't think the manager or the board deserve to be on the receiving end of the sort of vitriol we saw at West Ham for instance, even if we go down. Some clubs go down because they're rotten from top to bottom. We aren't. We'll go down because some important people got some important decisions wrong at crucial times. That's life...shit happens. Good post mate
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Mar 14, 2018 2:46:46 GMT
I think everyone knows that fuck ups have been made this year, but I make fuck ups in my job, you make fuck ups in your job...everyone makes fuck ups. I don't think at any point you could accuse the players (with one or two dishonorable exceptions) of not trying. They've just not been good enough and not been made fit enough by the last manager- that's not their fault, they do what they're told to do in training and set-up how they're told to set up in matches. The current manager's inherited a shit situation. I didn't want him really, I thought he was a poor choice, but I've been impressed with how he's organised what was previously a disorganised rabble. It's not his fault if we go down. The board made a huge mistake in not getting rid of Hughes sooner, but have provided decent financial backing this year, as always. We spent £18m on Wimmer, £7m on Martins Indi, £14m on N'Diaye, £5m on Bauer as well as the signing on or loan fees for Choupo, Fletcher and Zouma. That's a fair amount of cash. If we go down it's due to mistakes. Humans make mistakes. Whoever drove the Berahino, Wimmer and Imbula deals needs sacking, but I suspect that man's already left the club. What are you advocating here, Dave, that we start some sort of protest or just do a bit of booing? If it's the latter then fine, but I don't think the manager or the board deserve to be on the receiving end of the sort of vitriol we saw at West Ham for instance, even if we go down. Some clubs go down because they're rotten from top to bottom. We aren't. We'll go down because some important people got some important decisions wrong at crucial times. That's life...shit happens. Good post mate It’s a very good post but I think misses the point we are actually incompetent to the core , we’ve got big decisions wrong consistently starting with the premise we can Beat the market over a sustainable period with under investment , that just imploded on us with potentially catastrophic effects , and that’s not much worse if at all than rotten , West Ham May be rotten but in pinching our best player they may well have provided the difference between £100m revenue next season and less than half that and for god knows how many years after .
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Post by wuzza on Mar 14, 2018 4:22:28 GMT
When we don't win will the players, manager and board get to see and hear what we really think of them? I think everyone knows that fuck ups have been made this year, but I make fuck ups in my job, you make fuck ups in your job...everyone makes fuck ups. I don't think at any point you could accuse the players (with one or two dishonorable exceptions) of not trying. They've just not been good enough and not been made fit enough by the last manager- that's not their fault, they do what they're told to do in training and set-up how they're told to set up in matches. The current manager's inherited a shit situation. I didn't want him really, I thought he was a poor choice, but I've been impressed with how he's organised what was previously a disorganised rabble. It's not his fault if we go down. The board made a huge mistake in not getting rid of Hughes sooner, but have provided decent financial backing this year, as always. We spent £18m on Wimmer, £7m on Martins Indi, £14m on N'Diaye, £5m on Bauer as well as the signing on or loan fees for Choupo, Fletcher and Zouma. That's a fair amount of cash. If we go down it's due to mistakes. Humans make mistakes. Whoever drove the Berahino, Wimmer and Imbula deals needs sacking, but I suspect that man's already left the club. What are you advocating here, Dave, that we start some sort of protest or just do a bit of booing? If it's the latter then fine, but I don't think the manager or the board deserve to be on the receiving end of the sort of vitriol we saw at West Ham for instance, even if we go down. Some clubs go down because they're rotten from top to bottom. We aren't. We'll go down because some important people got some important decisions wrong at crucial times. That's life...shit happens. Just so long as they don’t claim that ‘hindsight is a wonderful thing’ because many many people could see those ‘mistakes’ as they were being made and even more pointed them out long before those in charge were prepared to acknowledge them and act on them. This mess was avoidable with a common sense recruitment policy rather than the random system we seem to have employed that has provided an incredibly weak squad for a club of 10 years PL standing.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 5:04:31 GMT
Starting Crouch is a must for me, did well when he came on
So did Sobi
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Post by pottarius on Mar 14, 2018 5:16:53 GMT
Why cant we just try to go 2 up front. Crouch and Jese for me. shaq behind them. Ramadan allen and badou in mifield I'd try anything TBH - we cannot go on as is If we have no "real" strikers (Crouch accepted but way too slow for 90mins at home) then we really should try the front three false-nine (Ramadan, Shaq & Jese) with all 3 allowed to interchange. We need bodies up front and for me this is the most obvious solution (or at least idea) for our travails But whatever we do let's ditch having 3 DM in the middle FFS - we're at home & we're desperate for a win
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 14, 2018 5:29:45 GMT
Play fucking Ramadan. I don't care where, just play him.
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Post by Trouserdog on Mar 14, 2018 6:38:09 GMT
I think everyone knows that fuck ups have been made this year, but I make fuck ups in my job, you make fuck ups in your job...everyone makes fuck ups. I don't think at any point you could accuse the players (with one or two dishonorable exceptions) of not trying. They've just not been good enough and not been made fit enough by the last manager- that's not their fault, they do what they're told to do in training and set-up how they're told to set up in matches. The current manager's inherited a shit situation. I didn't want him really, I thought he was a poor choice, but I've been impressed with how he's organised what was previously a disorganised rabble. It's not his fault if we go down. The board made a huge mistake in not getting rid of Hughes sooner, but have provided decent financial backing this year, as always. We spent £18m on Wimmer, £7m on Martins Indi, £14m on N'Diaye, £5m on Bauer as well as the signing on or loan fees for Choupo, Fletcher and Zouma. That's a fair amount of cash. If we go down it's due to mistakes. Humans make mistakes. Whoever drove the Berahino, Wimmer and Imbula deals needs sacking, but I suspect that man's already left the club. What are you advocating here, Dave, that we start some sort of protest or just do a bit of booing? If it's the latter then fine, but I don't think the manager or the board deserve to be on the receiving end of the sort of vitriol we saw at West Ham for instance, even if we go down. Some clubs go down because they're rotten from top to bottom. We aren't. We'll go down because some important people got some important decisions wrong at crucial times. That's life...shit happens. Just so long as they don’t claim that ‘hindsight is a wonderful thing’ because many many people could see those ‘mistakes’ as they were being made and even more pointed them out long before those in charge were prepared to acknowledge them and act on them. This mess was avoidable with a common sense recruitment policy rather than the random system we seem to have employed that has provided an incredibly weak squad for a club of 10 years PL standing. What does a common sense recruitment policy look like? I'm not being facetious in asking that, I just want to know what we're doing wrong at a deeper level than simply making bad decisions on players?
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Post by Fred Ferret on Mar 14, 2018 6:58:56 GMT
When we don't win will the players, manager and board get to see and hear what we really think of them? Agreed. I fear reality will well and truly come home to roost when we fail on Saturday. This team and manager are dead men walking. Horrific state of affairs - a club that has sleepwalked to disaster.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 7:33:16 GMT
I’d go with:
Jack Bauer Zouma Indi Staf Cameron Badou Allen Shaq Ramadan Jese
Crouch to come on if we need a plan B. Choupo to stay firmly in the stands.
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Post by dutchstokie on Mar 14, 2018 7:33:38 GMT
I think everyone knows that fuck ups have been made this year, but I make fuck ups in my job, you make fuck ups in your job...everyone makes fuck ups. I don't think at any point you could accuse the players (with one or two dishonorable exceptions) of not trying. They've just not been good enough and not been made fit enough by the last manager- that's not their fault, they do what they're told to do in training and set-up how they're told to set up in matches. The current manager's inherited a shit situation. I didn't want him really, I thought he was a poor choice, but I've been impressed with how he's organised what was previously a disorganised rabble. It's not his fault if we go down. The board made a huge mistake in not getting rid of Hughes sooner, but have provided decent financial backing this year, as always. We spent £18m on Wimmer, £7m on Martins Indi, £14m on N'Diaye, £5m on Bauer as well as the signing on or loan fees for Choupo, Fletcher and Zouma. That's a fair amount of cash. If we go down it's due to mistakes. Humans make mistakes. Whoever drove the Berahino, Wimmer and Imbula deals needs sacking, but I suspect that man's already left the club. What are you advocating here, Dave, that we start some sort of protest or just do a bit of booing? If it's the latter then fine, but I don't think the manager or the board deserve to be on the receiving end of the sort of vitriol we saw at West Ham for instance, even if we go down. Some clubs go down because they're rotten from top to bottom. We aren't. We'll go down because some important people got some important decisions wrong at crucial times. That's life...shit happens. I'm not advocating anything. Just wondering at what point the atmosphere will turn west ham like? I've gone past caring. I just sit there apathetic and accepting of this whole sorry mess. Much the Same over here..... I genuinely think we’ll stay up by the skin of our teeth but after that.....Well God only knows. 5 minutes after the final whistle of the last match, Scholes and Cartwright should get their sorry arses out of our club. Never happen though....mores the pity
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Post by wuzza on Mar 14, 2018 7:45:58 GMT
Just so long as they don’t claim that ‘hindsight is a wonderful thing’ because many many people could see those ‘mistakes’ as they were being made and even more pointed them out long before those in charge were prepared to acknowledge them and act on them. This mess was avoidable with a common sense recruitment policy rather than the random system we seem to have employed that has provided an incredibly weak squad for a club of 10 years PL standing. What does a common sense recruitment policy look like? I'm not being facetious in asking that, I just want to know what we're doing wrong at a deeper level than simply making bad decisions on players? With regard recruitment to me it’s means one where you are spreading the skill base, work rate, positional play (obviously), experience and attitude. In other areas it involves not letting a dogma rule what you are doing, the self sufficiency stuff for example ( for a long time we seemed convinced that we were clever enough to spot failed continental players, bring them over here, brush them down and turn them into quality PL players - needless to say we weren’t ). We’ve thrown tons of cash at a youth system but failed to recognise that it’s a total waste if the coaching and recruitment isn’t absolutely top notch. The list goes on - culminating in what we are currently faced with.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 9:27:23 GMT
My team Butland Bauer Zouma Indi Staffy Shaq Allen Badou Choupo Crouch Jesse Need play 2 strikers You simply cant play 442 with Shaqiri and Choupo out wide. Our full backs would get absolutely destroyed.
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Post by mrcoke on Mar 14, 2018 10:30:14 GMT
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Post by thegift on Mar 14, 2018 10:33:18 GMT
When we don't win will the players, manager and board get to see and hear what we really think of them? Agreed. I fear reality will well and truly come home to roost when we fail on Saturday. This team and manager are dead men walking. Horrific state of affairs - a club that has sleepwalked to disaster. less than 3 points on Saturday = time to show our true feelings.
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Mar 14, 2018 11:10:26 GMT
0-0 written all over it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 11:13:36 GMT
Butland
Bauer Shawcross Martins Indi Stafylidis
Cameron Allen Ndiaye
Shaqiri Choupo-Moting Sobhi
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Post by BuzzB on Mar 14, 2018 13:18:29 GMT
He is contemplating changes apparently. Wonder who?
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Post by southstanddan on Mar 14, 2018 14:23:15 GMT
Sigurdsson out injured
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Post by mermaidsal on Mar 14, 2018 14:31:37 GMT
This is the last time this season I'm going to allow the words Must Win out of my mouth but ffs, surely to God we can find an extra level for this one. Also seeing Lambo's tactical brain and the backbone he can put into a side against Fat Sam is a good test of quality for him, whether he can find the extra we need for the run-in.
Hope not confidence for me tho tbh. So many improvements since he took over but not the extra level - even if it's not really there in our current squad a great manager can conjure it up for short vital periods somehow. Love to see the change of gear v Everton. Please please God...
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 14, 2018 14:58:48 GMT
Butland
Bauer Shawcross Zouma Stafylidis
Cameron
Allen Ndiaye
Shaqiri
Berahino Crouch
4-4-2 diamond.
Yes I know Berahino is crap and Crouch can't last 90 minutes but I just can't stomach watching Jese and Choupo strolling around like they couldn't give two fucks again. There literally isn't any other alternative.
I don't think we've got a 'winger' on the books worthy of the title, ergo I wouldn't even play with one.
Long ball to Crouchy's head, with some occasional width from the full backs. Shaqiri wants to play in the middle anyway, so let him.
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Post by thegift on Mar 14, 2018 15:03:22 GMT
Butland
Bauer Shawcross Zouma Stafylidis
Cameron
Allen Ndiaye
Shaqiri
Berahino Crouch
4-4-2 diamond.
Yes I know Berahino is crap and Crouch can't last 90 minutes but I just can't stomach watching Jese and Choupo strolling around like they couldn't give two fucks again. There literally isn't any other alternative.
I don't think we've got a 'winger' on the books worthy of the title, ergo I wouldn't even play with one.
Long ball to Crouchy's head, with some occasional width from the full backs. Shaqiri wants to play in the middle anyway, so let him.
----- Butland ----- Bauer Shawcross Zouma Pieters -------- Cameron ------ ----Allen Ndiaye Ramadan ---- ------Shaqiri ---- ----Crouch ----- Indi and staffy had a mare, not good enough and have to be dropped. Choupo doesnt give a fuck and can rot in hell & Jese cant do it on his own + has that spark, and can create something out of nothing. Bench for Jese and coming on at 60 minutes.
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Post by RAF on Mar 14, 2018 15:06:59 GMT
"I don't know what all the fuss is about"?
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 14, 2018 15:11:54 GMT
Who’s going to get us a goal? The available options are simply woefully sub standard.
It wouldn’t suprise me if we don’t win another match all season, which I’m sad to say because I’m 40 on Saturday and if love to celebrate it with a victory.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Mar 14, 2018 15:17:55 GMT
Butland Bauer Shawcross Indo Stafylidis
Allen Ndiaye
Ramadan Shaq Jese Choupo
Subs:
Campbell Adam Crouch Zouma Grant
We need to go for it from the off. We're at home and we HAVE to win. If we are winning at half-time then bring on Cameron and switch back to 4-3-3
Resist the temptation to play Crouch from the start. He needs to be our super sub.
WE NEED GOALS and lots of them
Stoke 26 - 2 Everton to improve our GD
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 14, 2018 15:20:56 GMT
Butland Bauer Shawcross Indo Stafylidis Allen Ndiaye Ramadan Shaq Jese Choupo Subs: Campbell Adam Crouch Zouma Grant We need to go for it from the off. We're at home and we HAVE to win. If we are winning at half-time then bring on Cameron and switch back to 4-3-3 Resist the temptation to play Crouch from the start. He needs to be our super sub. WE NEED GOALS and lots of them Stoke 26 - 2 Everton to improve our GD There’s no goals in that team, or any team we could play with the players we have at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 15:45:53 GMT
Butland Bauer Zouma Indi Stafylidis Allen Cameron Shaqiri Jese Ramadan Choupo or Saido
I'd swap ramadan for Ireland if he's fit, and move Jese wide.
No idea what to do up front, just as long as it's not Crouch, i'm alright with it.
if they're sitting back after 50 mins and it's not working, then bring on crouch and constantly hoof it into the box.
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Post by bergenstokie on Mar 14, 2018 15:50:39 GMT
And after just have watched Everton-Brighton its more than possible. The influental Sigurdsson (takes all set pieces etc) is out and Walcott was substituted with an injury so he may be out as well. If he plays he will be stopped by Staffy, and Bauer will take care of Bolasie. Other than that Everton offers no threat at all. Rooney had some good passes from his role as a defensive midfielder (!), he wont be allowed to do that at Bet365. We need to score ourselves and at the same time be more solid in the middle of the park. My two jokers are Shawcross to replace Zouma in defence (risky)? and Afellay with his intelligent play and passing of the ball. No one have seen him play for a while, no one at Stoke have told us why,its well worth a try as i remember him. In my team i have to choose from Badou or Allen, Badou just nicks it because he needs games. 4-2-3-1 Butland Bauer Indi Shawcross Staffy Affelay Zouma Shaq Badou Ramadan Jese Haugaard Allen Cameron Moting Berahino Pieters Crouch Onwards and upwards!!
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Post by pez75 on Mar 14, 2018 15:52:32 GMT
Lambert has to cast off the cautious approach at some point or we are doomed, but I have seen no evidence that he is willing to do this. Unfortunately I expect more of the same - keep it tight and try to nick something. Gonna be a nervy one...
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Post by thegift on Mar 14, 2018 15:53:53 GMT
And after just have watched Everton-Brighton its more than possible. The influental Sigurdsson (takes all set pieces etc) is out and Walcott was substituted with an injury so he may be out as well. If he plays he will be stopped by Staffy, and Bauer will take care of Bolasie. Other than that Everton offers no threat at all. Rooney had some good passes from his role as a defensive midfielder (!), he wont be allowed to do that at Bet365. We need to score ourselves and at the same time be more solid in the middle of the park. My two jokers are Shawcross to replace Zouma in defence (risky)? and Afellay with his intelligent play and passing of the ball. No one have seen him play for a while, no one at Stoke have told us why,its well worth a try as i remember him. In my team i have to choose from Badou or Allen, Badou just nicks it because he needs games. 4-2-3-1 Butland Bauer Indi Shawcross Staffy Affelay Zouma Shaq Badou Ramadan Jese Haugaard Allen Cameron Moting Berahino Pieters Crouch Onwards and upwards!! You want Zouma in midfield?
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Post by bergenstokie on Mar 14, 2018 15:55:17 GMT
I agree, and with Arsenal and Tottenham coming up, this is the game to attack from the start
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