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Post by Davef on Mar 13, 2018 12:11:41 GMT
Because they are currently far far better than us and we can't score goals. We'll be lucky to win one out of Everton, Palace and Burnley Arsenal are not playing very well in the league at the moment and it is not a forgone conclusion that they will beat us! There is also a chance that Tottenham may be without their best player too! We have to take each game one game at a time and believe that points can be gained off anyone. Even last nights game against one of the best teams in Europe showed that we do have more resilience than a few months ago. I'm afraid you're deluding yourself if you think we have any chance of getting a result at Arsenal. We've lost nine consecutive games there, and even though they're not having the best of times right now, they are still pretty invincible against teams below them in the Premier League. It will be as it always is down there, a routine Arsenal victory. As for Tottenham, well they will be without Harry Kane, but they still have another three or four players who can cause serious damage, as they proved against Bournemouth.
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Post by WorkingclassHero on Mar 13, 2018 12:27:14 GMT
I'm afraid we at increasingly sounding like Sunderland last year. We are down, get over it, since we blew the Brighton game we have been finished.
Are we really going to go through these must win next game threads for the remainder of the season?
This season we have won 6 games
Arsenal home - freak result in August Southampton home a team getting relegated with us Watford Away. was actually a decent performance West Brom a team getting relegated with us Swansea at home. a team rock bottom at the time. Huddersfield at home. a team down amongst the dead men with a goal difference only bested by ourselves....
Based on this
Everton we will most likely draw with Arsenal away is a loss Spurs home is a loss West Ham away could be a win Burnley home is a draw Liverpool away is a loss palace home is a draw Swansea away is a loss
That gives us a maximum of 6 points if we somehow beat West Ham away, 33 points. With our goal difference we are relying on West Ham and Southampton not winning a further game to keep us up.
my guess is bottom 4 will be
West Ham Southampton Stoke WBA
And we will have managed to get relegated in what is the worst league I can remember.
Huddersfield Brighton and Newcastle all had dreadful squads but have somehow managed to do is above us.
Swansea and Palace have had horrendous seasons and will manage to stay above us.
West Ham Southampton and Bournemouth are all shite and will still finish above us.
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Post by maliciousdamage on Mar 13, 2018 12:27:57 GMT
I was thinking the same and last night only quantified the thought. I see us 0-0 with Everton Unless Shaqiri pulls something out of his ass, where else is a goal coming from? Fully agree and you know Big Sam will have him well marshalled as the potential threat. After last night I thought Jese did a reasonable job upfront but its clear none of our so called strikers are lone front men. I couldn't understand why he took him off for Crouch I'd have rather he took off Moating and Played with Crouch and Jese as a two up top, I think Jese needs a strike partner to be most effective, this lone frontman plan isn't working, and like you say Shaq makes his own space to shoot and score
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Post by thegift on Mar 13, 2018 12:32:00 GMT
Unless Shaqiri pulls something out of his ass, where else is a goal coming from? Fully agree and you know Big Sam will have him well marshalled as the potential threat. After last night I thought Jese did a reasonable job upfront but its clear none of our so called strikers are lone front men. I couldn't understand why he took him off for Crouch I'd have rather he took off Moating and Played with Crouch and Jese as a two up top, I think Jese needs a strike partner to be most effective, this lone frontman plan isn't working, and like you say Shaq makes his own space to shoot and score We simply need 2 up front if we are going to win games. Its as clear as daylight.
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Post by WorkingclassHero on Mar 13, 2018 12:34:24 GMT
Fully agree and you know Big Sam will have him well marshalled as the potential threat. After last night I thought Jese did a reasonable job upfront but its clear none of our so called strikers are lone front men. I couldn't understand why he took him off for Crouch I'd have rather he took off Moating and Played with Crouch and Jese as a two up top, I think Jese needs a strike partner to be most effective, this lone frontman plan isn't working, and like you say Shaq makes his own space to shoot and score We simply need 2 up front if we are going to win games. Its as clear as daylight. We are not going to win games end of. our midfield cannot pass the ball forward , we have no width and no pace and no strikers. We are destined for league 1
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Post by sufolkstokie on Mar 13, 2018 12:35:06 GMT
We blew what chance we had against Brighton. Away at Southampton was painful as we were screaming for them to go for the winner but the mentality was must not lose for some bizarre reason. We need goals and we aint got anyone to provide them
The Lambert approach may well have worked over a season, although many would be bored to death, but his approach now is not enough. Sure he has what he has to work with and we have been crying out for a striker for two years, but his tactics are also to blame
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Post by thegift on Mar 13, 2018 12:36:51 GMT
Why cant we just try to go 2 up front. Crouch and Jese for me. shaq behind them.
Ramadan allen and badou in mifield
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Post by WorkingclassHero on Mar 13, 2018 12:47:32 GMT
We blew what chance we had against Brighton. Away at Southampton was painful as we were screaming for them to go for the winner but the mentality was must not lose for some bizarre reason. We need goals and we aint got anyone to provide them The Lambert approach may well have worked over a season, although many would be bored to death, but his approach now is not enough. Sure he has what he has to work with and we have been crying out for a striker for two years, but his tactics are also to blame whilst I agree with this, he inherited a woeful defensive record and to be honest we are so limited when it comes to pace/guile/creativity it's hard to actually know what he could do with this bunch. Last night I even found myself thinking Berahinho may be the answer and that's just wrong. the season is finished for us
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Post by sufolkstokie on Mar 13, 2018 13:13:04 GMT
We blew what chance we had against Brighton. Away at Southampton was painful as we were screaming for them to go for the winner but the mentality was must not lose for some bizarre reason. We need goals and we aint got anyone to provide them The Lambert approach may well have worked over a season, although many would be bored to death, but his approach now is not enough. Sure he has what he has to work with and we have been crying out for a striker for two years, but his tactics are also to blame whilst I agree with this, he inherited a woeful defensive record and to be honest we are so limited when it comes to pace/guile/creativity it's hard to actually know what he could do with this bunch. Last night I even found myself thinking Berahinho may be the answer and that's just wrong. the season is finished for us Agree not all down to him in the slightest. But given how blunt we are up front his formation whilst shoring up the back a bit is making us even more crap in the final third, which is some going. The need now is for 3 points and has been for the last few games, minus Man City against those around Sadly this plight has seen the disappearance of any youth whatsoever and we are going to need at least two or three of them next season to step up. Campbell is now in no mans land, not playing for the U23's and not getting on the bench for the first team. That bench last night was a sad indictment of how badly our recruitment has allowed to become As you say, the season looks over as does our Premiership status
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Post by silverdollar on Mar 13, 2018 13:52:52 GMT
Arsenal are not playing very well in the league at the moment and it is not a forgone conclusion that they will beat us! There is also a chance that Tottenham may be without their best player too! We have to take each game one game at a time and believe that points can be gained off anyone. Even last nights game against one of the best teams in Europe showed that we do have more resilience than a few months ago. I'm afraid you're deluding yourself if you think we have any chance of getting a result at Arsenal. We've lost nine consecutive games there, and even though they're not having the best of times right now, they are still pretty invincible against teams below them in the Premier League. It will be as it always is down there, a routine Arsenal victory. As for Tottenham, well they will be without Harry Kane, but they still have another three or four players who can cause serious damage, as they proved against Bournemouth. What has gone on in the past has nothing to do at all with this fixture! I thought Arsenal were recently beaten by Brighton so undoes your other theory too. You need to get behind your team and stop taking anything for granted!
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Post by jwhpotter on Mar 13, 2018 14:19:13 GMT
My team
Butland Bauer Zouma Indi Staffy Shaq Allen Badou Choupo Crouch Jesse
Need play 2 strikers
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Post by bossthemidfield on Mar 13, 2018 14:24:19 GMT
Butland
Bauer Zouma Indi Pieters
Shaq Badou Ramadan
Allen
Choupo
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Post by Trouserdog on Mar 13, 2018 15:04:41 GMT
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Post by Davef on Mar 13, 2018 15:14:34 GMT
I'm afraid you're deluding yourself if you think we have any chance of getting a result at Arsenal. We've lost nine consecutive games there, and even though they're not having the best of times right now, they are still pretty invincible against teams below them in the Premier League. It will be as it always is down there, a routine Arsenal victory. As for Tottenham, well they will be without Harry Kane, but they still have another three or four players who can cause serious damage, as they proved against Bournemouth. What has gone on in the past has nothing to do at all with this fixture! I thought Arsenal were recently beaten by Brighton so undoes your other theory too. You need to get behind your team and stop taking anything for granted! Brighton didn't beaten Arsenal at the Emirates. Like I said, if you think a team with one away win all season has any chance of picking up anything down there given their record against teams in the bottom two thirds of the division, then you're deluding yourself. And do you really think nine straight defeats on that ground counts for nothing going into this one? The script at Arsenal has been the same in every game we've played there since promotion and this team isn't going to re-write it.
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Post by silverdollar on Mar 13, 2018 15:50:26 GMT
What has gone on in the past has nothing to do at all with this fixture! I thought Arsenal were recently beaten by Brighton so undoes your other theory too. You need to get behind your team and stop taking anything for granted! Brighton didn't beaten Arsenal at the Emirates. Like I said, if you think a team with one away win all season has any chance of picking up anything down there given their record against teams in the bottom two thirds of the division, then you're deluding yourself. And do you really think nine straight defeats on that ground counts for nothing going into this one? The script at Arsenal has been the same in every game we've played there since promotion and this team isn't going to change it. Can you tell me how previous results will affect this game? There is only one possible influence which would be psychological but I personally believe that Stoke's players will not be acting out their rolls for this scenario. The game will start at 0-0 and it is all to play for. Arsenal will be odds on favourites and might probably win but that will prove nothing concerning your belief. For example Man City had not completed the double over Stoke for a very long time!
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 13, 2018 16:43:45 GMT
When we don't win will the players, manager and board get to see and hear what we really think of them?
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Post by malisastokie on Mar 13, 2018 17:00:28 GMT
We now look fairly solid at the back but we need to take some risks on Saturday.
As we have our best 3 centre backs I would try 3/4/1/2 formation.
Butland
Zouma Shawcross Indi
Bauer Allen Ndiaye Staffy
Shaqiri
Ramadan Jesse
Shaqiri is wasted sitting out wide and we need to get him on the ball more to be the link and spark some creativity up front.
If Ramadan and Jesse played more central and allow Bauer and Staffy to bomb down the wings we might create some chances.
When Ramadan came on for 7 minutes last night even though he replaced Cameron I got the impression we went to 4 4 2 and I saw Ramadan actually run some half decent angles in a short period of time on the pitch.
We have to do something because this 433 is wasting Shaqiri and creates zero in terms of goal scoring chances.
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Post by Danstoke82 on Mar 13, 2018 17:20:42 GMT
Biggest game for the club in a very long time.
We have to win period. Surely we can manage it?! Its been a bloody long time since I last saw us win.
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Post by metalhead on Mar 13, 2018 17:38:16 GMT
How many cup finals are we going to play this season?
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Post by blackpoolred on Mar 13, 2018 17:39:28 GMT
I'm afraid we at increasingly sounding like Sunderland last year. We are down, get over it, since we blew the Brighton game we have been finished. Are we really going to go through these must win next game threads for the remainder of the season? This season we have won 6 games Arsenal home - freak result in August Southampton home a team getting relegated with us Watford Away. was actually a decent performance West Brom a team getting relegated with us Swansea at home. a team rock bottom at the time. Huddersfield at home. a team down amongst the dead men with a goal difference only bested by ourselves.... Based on this Everton we will most likely draw with Arsenal away is a loss Spurs home is a loss West Ham away could be a win Burnley home is a draw Liverpool away is a loss palace home is a draw Swansea away is a loss That gives us a maximum of 6 points if we somehow beat West Ham away, 33 points. With our goal difference we are relying on West Ham and Southampton not winning a further game to keep us up. my guess is bottom 4 will be West Ham Southampton Stoke WBA And we will have managed to get relegated in what is the worst league I can remember. Huddersfield Brighton and Newcastle all had dreadful squads but have somehow managed to do is above us. Swansea and Palace have had horrendous seasons and will manage to stay above us. West Ham Southampton and Bournemouth are all shite and will still finish above us. I really can't see us getting much more than 6pts too. Based on our current mentality, setup, talent, confidence etc The only hope I am clinging on to is that Southampton and West Ham go into freefall and only score another 3 or 4pts and that if Stoke can eek one raggy win it is at West Ham and that 6pts is enough That said West Ham and Southampton meet in their next game, so above theory almost goes out the window if 1 of them manage to win and get 3pts
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 13, 2018 18:13:15 GMT
Best I see on Saturday is a draw
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 13, 2018 18:16:42 GMT
Best I see on Saturday is a draw Agreed it’s got 0-0 written all over it
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2018 18:20:35 GMT
How many cup finals are we going to play this season? None mate. We faired pretty miserably in both cup competitions.
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Post by Trouserdog on Mar 13, 2018 18:27:44 GMT
When we don't win will the players, manager and board get to see and hear what we really think of them? I think everyone knows that fuck ups have been made this year, but I make fuck ups in my job, you make fuck ups in your job...everyone makes fuck ups. I don't think at any point you could accuse the players (with one or two dishonorable exceptions) of not trying. They've just not been good enough and not been made fit enough by the last manager- that's not their fault, they do what they're told to do in training and set-up how they're told to set up in matches. The current manager's inherited a shit situation. I didn't want him really, I thought he was a poor choice, but I've been impressed with how he's organised what was previously a disorganised rabble. It's not his fault if we go down. The board made a huge mistake in not getting rid of Hughes sooner, but have provided decent financial backing this year, as always. We spent £18m on Wimmer, £7m on Martins Indi, £14m on N'Diaye, £5m on Bauer as well as the signing on or loan fees for Choupo, Fletcher and Zouma. That's a fair amount of cash. If we go down it's due to mistakes. Humans make mistakes. Whoever drove the Berahino, Wimmer and Imbula deals needs sacking, but I suspect that man's already left the club. What are you advocating here, Dave, that we start some sort of protest or just do a bit of booing? If it's the latter then fine, but I don't think the manager or the board deserve to be on the receiving end of the sort of vitriol we saw at West Ham for instance, even if we go down. Some clubs go down because they're rotten from top to bottom. We aren't. We'll go down because some important people got some important decisions wrong at crucial times. That's life...shit happens.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 13, 2018 18:34:18 GMT
When we don't win will the players, manager and board get to see and hear what we really think of them? I think everyone knows that fuck ups have been made this year, but I make fuck ups in my job, you make fuck ups in your job...everyone makes fuck ups. I don't think at any point you could accuse the players (with one or two dishonorable exceptions) of not trying. They've just not been good enough and not been made fit enough by the last manager- that's not their fault, they do what they're told to do in training and set-up how they're told to set up in matches. The current manager's inherited a shit situation. I didn't want him really, I thought he was a poor choice, but I've been impressed with how he's organised what was previously a disorganised rabble. It's not his fault if we go down. The board made a huge mistake in not getting rid of Hughes sooner, but have provided decent financial backing this year, as always. We spent £18m on Wimmer, £7m on Martins Indi, £14m on N'Diaye, £5m on Bauer as well as the signing on or loan fees for Choupo, Fletcher and Zouma. That's a fair amount of cash. If we go down it's due to mistakes. Humans make mistakes. Whoever drove the Berahino, Wimmer and Imbula deals needs sacking, but I suspect that man's already left the club. What are you advocating here, Dave, that we start some sort of protest or just do a bit of booing? If it's the latter then fine, but I don't think the manager or the board deserve to be on the receiving end of the sort of vitriol we saw at West Ham for instance, even if we go down. Some clubs go down because they're rotten from top to bottom. We aren't. We'll go down because some important people got some important decisions wrong at crucial times. That's life...shit happens. I'm not advocating anything. Just wondering at what point the atmosphere will turn west ham like? I've gone past caring. I just sit there apathetic and accepting of this whole sorry mess.
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Post by WorkingclassHero on Mar 13, 2018 18:38:26 GMT
How many cup finals are we going to play this season? Another 8 mate and we still end up potless
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Post by stokiejoeofalsager on Mar 13, 2018 18:46:24 GMT
This, West ham, and Palace are huge.
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Post by Trouserdog on Mar 13, 2018 18:47:02 GMT
I think everyone knows that fuck ups have been made this year, but I make fuck ups in my job, you make fuck ups in your job...everyone makes fuck ups. I don't think at any point you could accuse the players (with one or two dishonorable exceptions) of not trying. They've just not been good enough and not been made fit enough by the last manager- that's not their fault, they do what they're told to do in training and set-up how they're told to set up in matches. The current manager's inherited a shit situation. I didn't want him really, I thought he was a poor choice, but I've been impressed with how he's organised what was previously a disorganised rabble. It's not his fault if we go down. The board made a huge mistake in not getting rid of Hughes sooner, but have provided decent financial backing this year, as always. We spent £18m on Wimmer, £7m on Martins Indi, £14m on N'Diaye, £5m on Bauer as well as the signing on or loan fees for Choupo, Fletcher and Zouma. That's a fair amount of cash. If we go down it's due to mistakes. Humans make mistakes. Whoever drove the Berahino, Wimmer and Imbula deals needs sacking, but I suspect that man's already left the club. What are you advocating here, Dave, that we start some sort of protest or just do a bit of booing? If it's the latter then fine, but I don't think the manager or the board deserve to be on the receiving end of the sort of vitriol we saw at West Ham for instance, even if we go down. Some clubs go down because they're rotten from top to bottom. We aren't. We'll go down because some important people got some important decisions wrong at crucial times. That's life...shit happens. I'm not advocating anything. Just wondering at what point the atmosphere will turn west ham like? I've gone past caring. I just sit there apathetic and accepting of this whole sorry mess. Fair enough...I hope it doesn't get like that. I don't think anyone at the club deserves it given everything we've experienced over the last ten years. I do worry that some of the younger fans won't think like that though.
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Post by Miles Offside on Mar 13, 2018 18:49:41 GMT
Anothercup final!!!😂😂😂 How will we score the goals we need to win?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 13, 2018 19:18:45 GMT
I think as a whole we're all way too apathetic.
Like when Man City belted out Delilah last night, not one fuck was given by anyone.
Sad to see.
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