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Post by Gods on Mar 3, 2018 23:30:26 GMT
Well for the moment at least we are not getting sand kicked in our faces on a regular basis.
We may not have got the wins we needed but 6 defeats in 8 prior to Lambert's arrival has turned in to 1 defeat in 6 under his stewardship. There may not have been any great pyrotechnics but at least we are no longer a complete laughing stock.
Clearly Man City, Arsenal and Spurs in the next 5 games will put that severely to the test.
It may well not be until the last 2 games that we finally haul ourselves out of the bottom 3 but I feel at least we now have half a chance.
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Post by WorkingclassHero on Mar 3, 2018 23:35:31 GMT
Agree mate
not pretty, but we look a he'll of a lot more solid. I reckon we have a 1 in 3 chance of staying up which is a he'll of a lot better than 6 games ago. if we'd got him in November before the Newcastle debacle we'd be fine. it's been said before but management sleepwalked into this, to be fair media didn't really pick up on what a poor job Hughes was doing either....
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Post by bergenstokie on Mar 3, 2018 23:37:51 GMT
Cant agree more, and dont forget, teams around us have difficult games left to!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2018 0:05:48 GMT
All too late and I'm not convinced we have the players to beat anyone.
Our attack is like my time machine designs, they look great on paper but when you put them to the test they are just too slow and lack any thrust.
Lamberts doing as much as he can given what he was left to work with but I don't think he's the man to carry us forward or to fight a promotion battle.
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 4, 2018 0:23:31 GMT
All too late and I'm not convinced we have the players to beat anyone. Our attack is like my time machine designs, they look great on paper but when you put them to the test they are just too slow and lack any thrust. Lamberts doing as much as he can given what he was left to work with but I don't think he's the man to carry us forward or to fight a promotion battle. Try implementing a flux capacitor into your plans, I hear they are quite effective |
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Post by pyrus on Mar 4, 2018 8:16:54 GMT
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Post by Scrotnig on Mar 4, 2018 8:20:46 GMT
Lambert has turned it round to some degree but he never had enough time.
Had this been November and he still had a window and some cash, we’d be home and dry.
As it stands, we have simply run out of games. We won’t win again this season and thus we are down. Not Lambert’s fault and for those of you who can face a return to cold night games at Brentford, I think he’s the right man to turn things round and prevent the club dropping out of the Championship after one season, which with the current squad is a real possibility.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Mar 4, 2018 8:31:42 GMT
Well for the moment at least we are not getting sand kicked in our faces on a regular basis. We may not have got the wins we needed but 6 defeats in 8 prior to Lambert's arrival has turned in to 1 defeat in 6 under his stewardship. There may not have been any great pyrotechnics but at least we are no longer a complete laughing stock. Clearly Man City, Arsenal and Spurs in the next 5 games will put that severely to the test. It may well not be until the last 2 games that we finally haul ourselves out of the bottom 3 but I feel at least we now have half a chance. Have you had permission to post a balanced view? Hope you’ve got a tin helmet |
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Post by blackpoolred on Mar 4, 2018 8:57:29 GMT
20% chance of making it to 35pts
95% chance of that not being enough
= 0.000000001% chance of survival
The club/fans/players/manager and everybody to do with Stoke City are suffering from a woeful case of inertia at the moment. I would not be surprised if we had all 11 men behind the ball against Everton and everybody ejaculating when we hang on to get a point.
We now have a team that can defend better as a unit, but have no threat whatsoever going forward and no idea how to win a game of football. At the moment it is a case of try to defend well and hope something happens at the other end.
We are at the stage where we need to make something happen ourselves and not hope something falls our way - Swansea manager stated he has his team playing Rock n Roll football at the moment. His team may end up winning a trophy and from nowhere now look like they are cantering toward safety.
We have to throw off the shackles to and stop playing like we must not lose - and bloody well go for it a bit more and show a bit more ambition and creativity. We literally have nothing to lose - at what stage do we realise this, I hope we are not waiting for the last 2 games of the season like the O/P stated
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Post by robwahlmann on Mar 4, 2018 9:05:08 GMT
Lambert has turned it round to some degree but he never had enough time. Had this been November and he still had a window and some cash, we’d be home and dry. As it stands, we have simply run out of games. We won’t win again this season and thus we are down. Not Lambert’s fault and for those of you who can face a return to cold night games at Brentford, I think he’s the right man to turn things round and prevent the club dropping out of the Championship after one season, which with the current squad is a real possibility. I believe we can beat Everton, Burnley and Palace at home and hopefully pick up a point at West Ham and Swansea away too. If this happens we will end up on 38 points which could be enough to stay up!  |
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Post by stokemark on Mar 4, 2018 9:29:56 GMT
How on earth do you have us to finish 5'points ahead of Swansea (scoring goals for fun) ? |
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Post by stokemark on Mar 4, 2018 9:31:13 GMT
Lambert has turned it round to some degree but he never had enough time. Had this been November and he still had a window and some cash, we’d be home and dry. As it stands, we have simply run out of games. We won’t win again this season and thus we are down. Not Lambert’s fault and for those of you who can face a return to cold night games at Brentford, I think he’s the right man to turn things round and prevent the club dropping out of the Championship after one season, which with the current squad is a real possibility. I believe we can beat Everton, Burnley and Palace at home and hopefully pick up a point at West Ham and Swansea away too. If this happens we will end up on 38 points which could be enough to stay up! What have you seen that makes you believe we can beat anyone let alone win 3 games ? You have to score goals to win football matches. |
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Post by pyrus on Mar 4, 2018 9:32:15 GMT
How on earth do you have us to finish 5'points ahead of Swansea (scoring goals for fun) ? I know, it’s a very strange outcome, i thought we’d wind up where we are now. |
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Post by stokemark on Mar 4, 2018 9:32:50 GMT
20% chance of making it to 35pts 95% chance of that not being enough = 0.000000001% chance of survival The club/fans/players/manager and everybody to do with Stoke City are suffering from a woeful case of inertia at the moment. I would not be surprised if we had all 11 men behind the ball against Everton and everybody ejaculating when we hang on to get a point. We now have a team that can defend better as a unit, but have no threat whatsoever going forward and no idea how to win a game of football. At the moment it is a case of try to defend well and hope something happens at the other end. We are at the stage where we need to make something happen ourselves and not hope something falls our way - Swansea manager stated he has his team playing Rock n Roll football at the moment. His team may end up winning a trophy and from nowhere now look like they are cantering toward safety. We have to throw off the shackles to and stop playing like we must not lose - and bloody well go for it a bit more and show a bit more ambition and creativity. We literally have nothing to lose - at what stage do we realise this, I hope we are not waiting for the last 2 games of the season like the O/P stated Post of the weekend |
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Post by skemstokie on Mar 4, 2018 9:37:26 GMT
Well for the moment at least we are not getting sand kicked in our faces on a regular basis. We may not have got the wins we needed but 6 defeats in 8 prior to Lambert's arrival has turned in to 1 defeat in 6 under his stewardship. There may not have been any great pyrotechnics but at least we are no longer a complete laughing stock. Clearly Man City, Arsenal and Spurs in the next 5 games will put that severely to the test. It may well not be until the last 2 games that we finally haul ourselves out of the bottom 3 but I feel at least we now have half a chance. And if you factor in mistakes from Jack and Charlie which cost us 4 points things would look much rosier,i feel it will be touch and go but we are not down. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 4, 2018 9:41:02 GMT
It's just so hard to see us scoring enough goals to get the job done. Lambert's chosen to move bodies behind the ball, but it's made us even less of a threat going forward. Our 'expected goals' numbers in the Lambert era are alarming. It's basically just low percentage Shaqiri 20-yarders or nothing. That's clearly not a sustainable way of winning games. Can we chisel out 3 wins against very organised Big Sam, Hodgson and Dyche teams? It just seems a bit fanciful. twitter.com/caley_graphics?lang=en     |
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Post by sufolkstokie on Mar 4, 2018 9:46:43 GMT
It's just so hard to see us scoring enough goals to get the job done. Lambert's chosen to move bodies behind the ball, but it's made us even less of a threat going forward. Our 'expected goals' numbers in the Lambert era are alarming. It's basically just low percentage Shaqiri 20-yarders or nothing. That's clearly not a sustainable way of winning games. Can we chisel out 3 win against Big Sam, Hodgson and Dyche? It just seems a bit fanciful. twitter.com/caley_graphics?lang=enAll that backs up what we are watching. It is very painful, hoofball which may well of served us in points terms over a season but not where we find ourselves now. Lambert is another has been that Coates has employed. The game has moved on and Coates just not seem to get it Just look at the bloke at Swansea who on paper do not have the squad we have - breath of fresh air No doubt Lambert will be in charge next year in the Championship and we will play hard to watch mid table hoofball and then in two years Coates will wonder why he is sitting in a half filled stadium week in week out |
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Post by WhyDelilah on Mar 4, 2018 9:49:08 GMT
It's just so hard to see us scoring enough goals to get the job done. Lambert's chosen to move bodies behind the ball, but it's made us even less of a threat going forward. Our 'expected goals' numbers in the Lambert era are alarming. It's basically just low percentage Shaqiri 20-yarders or nothing. That's clearly not a sustainable way of winning games. Can we chisel out 3 wins against very organised Big Sam, Hodgson and Dyche teams? It just seems a bit fanciful. twitter.com/caley_graphics?lang=enSouthampton graphic - we were more attacking? |
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Post by drfootball on Mar 4, 2018 9:56:07 GMT
I still believe there are 3 worse teams than us.Brazil,Palace and Hudds.
We'll make it......just !
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Post by robwahlmann on Mar 4, 2018 10:19:06 GMT
I believe we can beat Everton, Burnley and Palace at home and hopefully pick up a point at West Ham and Swansea away too. If this happens we will end up on 38 points which could be enough to stay up! What have you seen that makes you believe we can beat anyone let alone win 3 games ? You have to score goals to win football matches. In Lambert's games in charge we have played 6 and scored 5 so I really believe we can do this, but I can also see that we struggle scoring enough goals. Despite this I like to go into our last 9 games with some optimism!  |
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Post by stokemark on Mar 4, 2018 10:25:11 GMT
What have you seen that makes you believe we can beat anyone let alone win 3 games ? You have to score goals to win football matches. In Lambert's games in charge we have played 6 and scored 5 so I really believe we can do this, but I can also see that we struggle scoring enough goals. Despite this I like to go into our last 9 games with some optimism! Rob - I appreciate your sentiment but given the opposition 'playing 6 and scoring 5' means that to win matches there is zero margin for error and we are looking at scraping three 1-0 wins. I simply can't see it and would rather prepare myself for the inevitable but we all have our own ways of dealing with things |
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Post by raythesailor on Mar 4, 2018 10:41:04 GMT
I hope that MU do the buisiness on Monday against Palace and we need to keep our eyes on Huddersfield who have a simmilat GD to us.
I know we shouldn’t be relying on results elsewhere but it is getting that serious.
If we survive it will be by the skin of our teeth.
I will be early birding next week regardless.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Mar 4, 2018 10:46:44 GMT
Well for the moment at least we are not getting sand kicked in our faces on a regular basis. We may not have got the wins we needed but 6 defeats in 8 prior to Lambert's arrival has turned in to 1 defeat in 6 under his stewardship. There may not have been any great pyrotechnics but at least we are no longer a complete laughing stock. Clearly Man City, Arsenal and Spurs in the next 5 games will put that severely to the test. It may well not be until the last 2 games that we finally haul ourselves out of the bottom 3 but I feel at least we now have half a chance. I get why you still want to believe. But we needed 3 or 4 more points from the last 5 games. Lambert is Pulis without a cap. It may work over a season but not enough in the few games that remain and it is shit too watch. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Mar 4, 2018 10:48:58 GMT
20% chance of making it to 35pts 95% chance of that not being enough = 0.000000001% chance of survival The club/fans/players/manager and everybody to do with Stoke City are suffering from a woeful case of inertia at the moment. I would not be surprised if we had all 11 men behind the ball against Everton and everybody ejaculating when we hang on to get a point. We now have a team that can defend better as a unit, but have no threat whatsoever going forward and no idea how to win a game of football. At the moment it is a case of try to defend well and hope something happens at the other end. We are at the stage where we need to make something happen ourselves and not hope something falls our way - Swansea manager stated he has his team playing Rock n Roll football at the moment. His team may end up winning a trophy and from nowhere now look like they are cantering toward safety. We have to throw off the shackles to and stop playing like we must not lose - and bloody well go for it a bit more and show a bit more ambition and creativity. We literally have nothing to lose - at what stage do we realise this, I hope we are not waiting for the last 2 games of the season like the O/P stated If we threw caution to the wind with the leakiest defence in the league we would already be adrift with West Brom. Lambert has made us harder to beat and kept us in touch. We can throw caution to the wind in the last 4 or 5 games knowing we now have a defence that might be capable of seeing games out. He deserves credit for keeping our chance of survival alive even if the odds don't look great. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 4, 2018 10:52:27 GMT
20% chance of making it to 35pts 95% chance of that not being enough = 0.000000001% chance of survival The club/fans/players/manager and everybody to do with Stoke City are suffering from a woeful case of inertia at the moment. I would not be surprised if we had all 11 men behind the ball against Everton and everybody ejaculating when we hang on to get a point. We now have a team that can defend better as a unit, but have no threat whatsoever going forward and no idea how to win a game of football. At the moment it is a case of try to defend well and hope something happens at the other end. We are at the stage where we need to make something happen ourselves and not hope something falls our way - Swansea manager stated he has his team playing Rock n Roll football at the moment. His team may end up winning a trophy and from nowhere now look like they are cantering toward safety. We have to throw off the shackles to and stop playing like we must not lose - and bloody well go for it a bit more and show a bit more ambition and creativity. We literally have nothing to lose - at what stage do we realise this, I hope we are not waiting for the last 2 games of the season like the O/P stated If we threw caution to the wind with the leakiest defence in the league we would already be adrift with West Brom. Lambert has made us harder to beat and kept us in touch. We can throw caution to the wind in the last 4 or 5 games knowing we now have a defence that might be capable of seeing games out. He deserves credit for keeping our chance of survival alive even if the odds don't look great. Why weren't we trying to win against Watford at home? Or Brighton? How in God's name is that acceptable? |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 4, 2018 10:53:02 GMT
MOTD last night said Swansea's manager has been in the hotseat for 15 games. Is that right? 15 league games or are they talking cups as well? They've played 6 cup games under him I think. Either way, despite the fact that I'm absolutely convinced that we are down and that our run of bore draws is merely prolonging the agony, I saw this and thought "that's what we've got to hope with Lambert". He's taken time to get his ideas into place and we are now going to have a remarkable winning run that will propel us to safety starting with Man City next Monday...so that we can then go through exactly the same next season.  |
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Post by stokecity4life on Mar 4, 2018 10:56:04 GMT
Almost identical to what i have on my predictions. |
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Post by march4 on Mar 4, 2018 10:57:51 GMT
There is a way of scoring goals for a club in our position.
They are called set pieces.
Yesterday they were poor again.
Now our defensive shape is sorted and the fitness of the players is sorted we need to throw all our efforts into scoring from set pieces.
If we don’t we will go down.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2018 11:03:48 GMT
I want to believe!
But reality is a bitch!
Gooooooaaaaaaaarrrrrn Stoke!
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Post by stokecity4life on Mar 4, 2018 11:04:21 GMT
Ive said it before and i`ll say it again, there have been big improvements in the areas we were weakest in, namely fitness, commitment, belief, defending, togetherness.
However the major, HUGE oversight and fuckup which we all know if our Strikers aren`t good enough, there`s no real deabte about this whether you are positive or negative about staying up.
The other unilateral agreement is that Hughes was given way too much time and Lambert has been basically fed to the lions, he`s not had enough time whatsoever and the defeats to West Ham and Newcastle prior to this could be hugely costly.
I stongly believe we can come through this, especially considering how some of the other teams form has gone and their remaining games.
Obviously the home games vs Everton, Burnley and Palace are huge now and nothing but 7 points bare minimum in these will see us down.
There could be some odd weird results, unexpected away wins but it seems somewhat unlikely at the moment.
Keeping Shaq fit is vital as if he gets an injury i can`t see how we stand a chance.
I just wish the fans would show a little more support and faith, because if the consensus feeds down the the players we are fucked.
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