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Post by walton corner on Mar 4, 2018 13:00:48 GMT
Lambert is accountable to nothing ..he has a free ride to most on here ,every poor performance or defeat is thrown back to Hughes ...these lambert lovers will be the first lot come mid September to call for his head when we are 16th in championship.....
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Post by ColonelMustard on Mar 4, 2018 13:09:03 GMT
Lambert is accountable to nothing ..he has a free ride to most on here ,every poor performance or defeat is thrown back to Hughes ...these lambert lovers will be the first lot come mid September to call for his head when we are 16th in championship..... Tbf to the "Lambert lovers", if that were to happen, that probably would be about the right time. The right point might not be after losing 1 match in 6 having taken over a sinking ship and when there is NO benefit to sacking him or in fact any negativity at all.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 4, 2018 13:10:55 GMT
Lambert is accountable to nothing ..he has a free ride to most on here ,every poor performance or defeat is thrown back to Hughes ...these lambert lovers will be the first lot come mid September to call for his head when we are 16th in championship..... Tbf to the "Lambert lovers", if that were to happen, that probably would be about the right time. The right point might not be after losing 1 match in 6 having taken over a sinking ship and when there is NO benefit to sacking him or in fact any negativity at all. We've gone down a place and lost a point on 17th since Hughes was sacked.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Mar 4, 2018 13:14:58 GMT
Tbf to the "Lambert lovers", if that were to happen, that probably would be about the right time. The right point might not be after losing 1 match in 6 having taken over a sinking ship and when there is NO benefit to sacking him or in fact any negativity at all. We've gone down a place and lost a point on 17th since Hughes was sacked. I understand how the picture looks if you look at it from the negative. However we are 10th in the form table but 4 of the teams around us are even higher. Lambert can do a lot more, but stopping the other teams at the bottom winning is not one of them.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 4, 2018 13:17:22 GMT
We've gone down a place and lost a point on 17th since Hughes was sacked. I understand how the picture looks if you look at it from the negative. However we are 10th in the form table but 4 of the teams around us are even higher. Lambert can do a lot more, but stopping the other teams at the bottom winning is not one of them. No so we needed to win. We didn't. Now we need to win 3 in 9 when we've won 6 in 29 previously, Hughes was 5 in 22. Lambert is 1 in 6. Not great is it?
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Post by ColonelMustard on Mar 4, 2018 13:20:26 GMT
I understand how the picture looks if you look at it from the negative. However we are 10th in the form table but 4 of the teams around us are even higher. Lambert can do a lot more, but stopping the other teams at the bottom winning is not one of them. No so we needed to win. We didn't. Now we need to win 3 in 9 when we've won 6 in 29 previously, Hughes was 5 in 22. Lambert is 1 in 6. Not great is it? No real response? Of course we needed to win. As most of the games have been against in form teams around us we also needed not to lose. And look at the 6 games before Hughes got sacked to see how likely that looked.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 4, 2018 13:22:09 GMT
No so we needed to win. We didn't. Now we need to win 3 in 9 when we've won 6 in 29 previously, Hughes was 5 in 22. Lambert is 1 in 6. Not great is it? No real response? Of course we needed to win. As most of the games have been against in form teams around us we also needed not to lose. And look at the 6 games before Hughes got sacked to see how likely that looked. It is a real response, we needed to win 2/3 of those games to negate the others. We didn't because of our dour manager. Not defending Hughes at all but Lambert had changed did all where it mattered so far.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Mar 4, 2018 13:26:06 GMT
No real response? Of course we needed to win. As most of the games have been against in form teams around us we also needed not to lose. And look at the 6 games before Hughes got sacked to see how likely that looked. It is a real response, we needed to win 2/3 of those games to negate the others. We didn't because of our dour manager. Not defending Hughes at all but Lambert had changed did all where it mattered so far. As I said to you on another thread we so very nearly did against Brighton and Leicester.. We all wanted to win more. We did however only lose one and give the 3 points to Bournemouth. That, is also down to our dour manager.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 4, 2018 13:27:59 GMT
It is a real response, we needed to win 2/3 of those games to negate the others. We didn't because of our dour manager. Not defending Hughes at all but Lambert had changed did all where it mattered so far. As I said to you on another thread we so very nearly did against Brighton and Leicester.. We all wanted to win more. We did however only lose one and give the 3 points to Bournemouth. That, is also down to our dour manager. It is, it's a piss poor record against the sides we played in that period.
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Post by stayingupforbigbazza on Mar 4, 2018 13:28:42 GMT
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Post by metalhead on Mar 4, 2018 14:21:26 GMT
It's entirely possible we could get 3 points from Man City, Arse and Tottenham. 3 draws is not impossible, and a sneaky shock win is equally not impossible.
Let's prove some doubters wrong.
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Post by blackpoolred on Mar 4, 2018 14:46:24 GMT
20% chance of making it to 35pts 95% chance of that not being enough = 0.000000001% chance of survival Please advise how you make that calculation. Average points against top 5 teams this season = 0.14 Average points against none top 5 teams this season = 1.18(interestingly 1.16 under Lambert) Total predicted points = 7.42 We have also never got a solitary point against Arsenal away from home(they are, of course, one of the none top 5 teams we are playing) - which means, all in all, we are highly unlikely to make 35pts All other teams apart from Palace and Southampton are averaging more than a point a game and currently have more points on the board than us. They will on current form easily break the 35pt mark, then take into account our goal difference which effectively means we need an extra point to our rivals. Our survival at the moment is pinned on not 1 but 2 teams having a woeful finish to the season combined with us playing better than we have all season in order to reach the 35pt mark.
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Post by sheriffofrockridge on Mar 4, 2018 16:00:40 GMT
Please advise how you make that calculation. Average points against top 5 teams this season = 0.14 Average points against none top 5 teams this season = 1.18(interestingly 1.16 under Lambert) Total predicted points = 7.42 We have also never got a solitary point against Arsenal away from home(they are, of course, one of the none top 5 teams we are playing) - which means, all in all, we are highly unlikely to make 35pts All other teams apart from Palace and Southampton are averaging more than a point a game and currently have more points on the board than us. They will on current form easily break the 35pt mark, then take into account our goal difference which effectively means we need an extra point to our rivals. Our survival at the moment is pinned on not 1 but 2 teams having a woeful finish to the season combined with us playing better than we have all season in order to reach the 35pt mark. OK. Not doubting the average points gained against top 5 and non-top 5. Using your calculation methodology: Man City, Liverpool, Spurs (0.14 x 3) = 0.42. Arsenal, Everton, West Ham, Burnley, Swansea and Palace (1.18 x 6) = 7.08 Total 7.5 points. Let's be optimistic and say it turns out to be 8 points rather than 7. That gets us to 35 points. So how do you conclude that there is only a 20% chance of reaching 35 when the statistics for the season suggest the chances are significantly higher? And where is the logic that 35 points is 95% likely to not be enough? And as for your calculation of our chance of survival being 0.000000001%, why do bookies have us at 6/5 to stay up? Come on mate. I LOVE statistics but not ones which have no basis other than an emotional subjective bias.
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Post by borat on Mar 4, 2018 16:13:28 GMT
I have us down on goal difference ouch!
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Post by blackpoolred on Mar 4, 2018 16:27:17 GMT
Average points against top 5 teams this season = 0.14 Average points against none top 5 teams this season = 1.18(interestingly 1.16 under Lambert) Total predicted points = 7.42 We have also never got a solitary point against Arsenal away from home(they are, of course, one of the none top 5 teams we are playing) - which means, all in all, we are highly unlikely to make 35pts All other teams apart from Palace and Southampton are averaging more than a point a game and currently have more points on the board than us. They will on current form easily break the 35pt mark, then take into account our goal difference which effectively means we need an extra point to our rivals. Our survival at the moment is pinned on not 1 but 2 teams having a woeful finish to the season combined with us playing better than we have all season in order to reach the 35pt mark. OK. Not doubting the average points gained against top 5 and non-top 5. Using your calculation methodology: Man City, Liverpool, Spurs (0.14 x 3) = 0.42. Arsenal, Everton, West Ham, Burnley, Swansea and Palace (1.18 x 6) = 7.08 Total 7.5 points. Let's be optimistic and say it turns out to be 8 points rather than 7. That gets us to 35 points. So how do you conclude that there is only a 20% chance of reaching 35 when the statistics for the season suggest the chances are significantly higher? And where is the logic that 35 points is 95% likely to not be enough? And as for your calculation of our chance of survival being 0.000000001%, why do bookies have us at 6/5 to stay up? Come on mate. I LOVE statistics but not ones which have no basis other than an emotional subjective bias. We could put it another way, average points scored against City, Spurs and Liverpool in the last 2 seasons = 0 Average points scored against Arsenal at the Emirates since our arrival in the prem = 0 This then leaves us on current form with 6pts - 80% of the way to the 8pts required for 35pts - which of course leaves a variable of 20% I am of course making this up, but the way we are playing now I don't see us winning 2 and drawing 2 of the 5 remaining games we have a realistic chance in. Also on current form all other teams bar Palace/Southampton will make it to 35pts comfortably. There are of course end of season variables to take into account, for instance, we may play a Swansea side that are safe and in the cup final. We also know Southampton have 6 away games out of 9 remaining and of course Palace have almost a full team out with injuries, quite a few of them long-term. I am therfore changing my mind and putting our chances of survival at 0.000002%
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Mar 4, 2018 18:31:36 GMT
Which we lost 3-0. Six performances like that with Lambert and we would be 7 points and 18 gd worse off than we in fact are. We get you don't like Lambert but don't look to justify it with abject bollocks. Against Man Yoo and we played way better than what we have under Lambert. 6 games that were very winnable and we've won one. Mint. "Better" is a matter of opinion. What's not in dispute is the scoreline which records that we were dicked Mint+1.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 4, 2018 18:34:11 GMT
Against Man Yoo and we played way better than what we have under Lambert. 6 games that were very winnable and we've won one. Mint. "Better" is a matter of opinion. What's not in dispute is the scoreline which records that we were dicked Mint+1. We weren't dicked though. 😂😂😂
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2018 18:35:50 GMT
Lambert is accountable to nothing ..he has a free ride to most on here ,every poor performance or defeat is thrown back to Hughes ...these lambert lovers will be the first lot come mid September to call for his head when we are 16th in championship..... ...and of course then it will be fair having had a full summer to change his squad around and assemble something that remotely looks like a football side, rather than what he inherited - a rag tag bunch of lily livered, unfit charlatans that had conceded nearly 50 goals in half a season and took great delight in having selfies with players that had stuck 5 past them.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 4, 2018 18:36:30 GMT
Lambert is accountable to nothing ..he has a free ride to most on here ,every poor performance or defeat is thrown back to Hughes ...these lambert lovers will be the first lot come mid September to call for his head when we are 16th in championship..... ...and of course then it will be fair having had a full summer to change his squad around and assemble something that remotely looks like a football side, rather than what he inherited - a rag tag bunch of lily livered, unfit charlatans that had conceded nearly 50 goals in half a season. Hopefully not as he should be sacked come May.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2018 18:36:52 GMT
...and of course then it will be fair having had a full summer to change his squad around and assemble something that remotely looks like a football side, rather than what he inherited - a rag tag bunch of lily livered, unfit charlatans that had conceded nearly 50 goals in half a season. Hopefully not as he should be sacked come May. What and replaced with another clone?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 4, 2018 18:38:21 GMT
Hopefully not as he should be sacked come May. What and replaced with another clone? Nope. Massive changes have to happen including Lambert. Failure to do so will see long term damage. It won't happen so bring on League One!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2018 18:43:25 GMT
What and replaced with another clone? Nope. Massive changes have to happen including Lambert. Failure to do so will see long term damage. It won't happen so bring on League One! It's what will happen if we sack Lambert whilst under the current regime so you might aswell get it through your head and deal with it. Even the foreign option this time round (QSF) is a known pragmatist. It's what 'The Family' do. Pulis - pragmatic. Hughes - pragmatic. O'Neill - pragmatic. QSF - pragmatic. Lambert - pragmatic. It will just be a slightly different flavour of what we've had for the last 10 years.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 4, 2018 18:45:12 GMT
Nope. Massive changes have to happen including Lambert. Failure to do so will see long term damage. It won't happen so bring on League One! It's what will happen if we sack Lambert whilst under the current regime so you might aswell get it through your head and deal with it. Even the foreign option this time round (QSF) is a known pragmatist. It's what 'The Family' do. Pulis - pragmatic. Hughes - pragmatic. O'Neill - pragmatic. QSF - pragmatic. Lambert - pragmatic. It will just be a slightly different flavour of what we've had for the last 10 years. Lambert shouldn't have been getting a look in for Championship jobs nevermind this one. He's the luckiest man in Stoke currently.
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Post by pottersrule on Mar 4, 2018 18:52:02 GMT
I still believe there are 3 worse teams than us.Brazil,Palace and Hudds. We'll make it......just ! I concur that the only way we will stay up is by the ineptitude of others.A damming indictment of the club's stewardship.
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Post by superheroantonius on Mar 4, 2018 19:41:33 GMT
It's just so hard to see us scoring enough goals to get the job done. Lambert's chosen to move bodies behind the ball, but it's made us even less of a threat going forward. Our 'expected goals' numbers in the Lambert era are alarming. It's basically just low percentage Shaqiri 20-yarders or nothing. That's clearly not a sustainable way of winning games. Can we chisel out 3 win against Big Sam, Hodgson and Dyche? It just seems a bit fanciful. twitter.com/caley_graphics?lang=enAll that backs up what we are watching. It is very painful, hoofball which may well of served us in points terms over a season but not where we find ourselves now. Lambert is another has been that Coates has employed. The game has moved on and Coates just not seem to get it Just look at the bloke at Swansea who on paper do not have the squad we have - breath of fresh air No doubt Lambert will be in charge next year in the Championship and we will play hard to watch mid table hoofball and then in two years Coates will wonder why he is sitting in a half filled stadium week in week out Bloke at swansea is still trying to play in andre and jordan ayew... Even that is an ace attack compared to stoke Over the last two years our star attacker has had 15 shots on goal in Over 2000 mins of prem football, all saved and scored no goals Lambo is an intelligent Bloke but who can he look to play in up front... Arnautovic and hernandez? Andre / jordan ayew? Benteke / zaha? I cant see what option he has? Apart from the desperate one of defending better and hoping to wing it???
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Post by Scrotnig on Mar 4, 2018 19:55:54 GMT
Lambert has turned it round to some degree but he never had enough time. Had this been November and he still had a window and some cash, we’d be home and dry. As it stands, we have simply run out of games. We won’t win again this season and thus we are down. Not Lambert’s fault and for those of you who can face a return to cold night games at Brentford, I think he’s the right man to turn things round and prevent the club dropping out of the Championship after one season, which with the current squad is a real possibility. I believe we can beat Everton, Burnley and Palace at home and hopefully pick up a point at West Ham and Swansea away too. If this happens we will end up on 38 points which could be enough to stay up! How are we going to do that? We cannot score.
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Post by robwahlmann on Mar 5, 2018 16:57:01 GMT
I believe we can beat Everton, Burnley and Palace at home and hopefully pick up a point at West Ham and Swansea away too. If this happens we will end up on 38 points which could be enough to stay up! How are we going to do that? We cannot score. Some of you make it sound as we haven't scored at all this season! We have actually almost scored a goal per game under both Hughes and Lambert!
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Post by Scrotnig on Mar 6, 2018 9:36:13 GMT
How are we going to do that? We cannot score. Some of you make it sound as we haven't scored at all this season! We have actually almost scored a goal per game under both Hughes and Lambert! And how many have we conceded per game?
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Post by thegift on Mar 6, 2018 9:39:23 GMT
It's entirely possible we could get 3 points from Man City, Arse and Tottenham. 3 draws is not impossible, and a sneaky shock win is equally not impossible. Let's prove some doubters wrong. The players need to step up now.
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Post by metalhead on Mar 6, 2018 11:09:10 GMT
It's entirely possible we could get 3 points from Man City, Arse and Tottenham. 3 draws is not impossible, and a sneaky shock win is equally not impossible. Let's prove some doubters wrong. The players need to step up now. Down to them, but I fully expect the Oatcake to blame Lambert regardless.
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