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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 25, 2018 10:38:07 GMT
I do. The only other chance we "created" was given to us by Schmeichel. What else was there? You haven't answered 3 of us. I think I've answered you more times than I really bother to, but as you alway are right why should I disagree!? With your optimism football must be a living hell, say no more! You've answered fuck all. You might as well be saying "riddle me this, riddle me that, my first is in football but not negativity".
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Post by chiswickpotter on Feb 25, 2018 10:43:16 GMT
Looked ok but were a team chasing points and have got zero luck. Luck implies there is nothing we could do about it, I would argue lack of skill or ability to execute have cost us - Shawcross's miss at Palace cost us 3 points, Charlie's penalty miss was 2 points, poor defending at a Bournemouth set piece a point and Butland yesterday 3 points. That's 9 points due to errors not luck. I agree poor refereeing is bad luck and that's WHU and Liverpool at home for sure
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 25, 2018 10:47:28 GMT
Really? By the end of yesterday’s game they’d had the better chances. Beyond the goal, what genuine, clear-cut chances did we create? There was a half-chance for Shaqiri when Schmeichel was off his line and the moment when Campbell didn’t run to the back post to meet Shaq’s ball, what am I forgetting? Brighton had the better chances too imo. Of course they had! We only missed a penalty and had a ball 3/4 over their goal line! Yes, they certainly had, hard to dispute your wise words. I’m still waiting for you to tell us specifically which chances we created?
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 25, 2018 11:00:04 GMT
Of course they had! We only missed a penalty and had a ball 3/4 over their goal line! Yes, they certainly had, hard to dispute your wise words. I’m still waiting for you to tell us specifically which chances we created? So that shouldn't be considered as chances?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 25, 2018 11:02:14 GMT
I’m still waiting for you to tell us specifically which chances we created? So that shouldn't be considered as chances? It's one chance. You said we were creating chances. Against Brighton there was the goal, the penalty, the header off the line. In the preceding 89 minutes or so it's a struggle to recall a clear cut chance beyond those. Yesterday there was the goal and a couple of half chances. Given you're the one saying we're creating the chances to win games, I want you to tell us which ones you mean? Are you seriously just saying the Brighton penalty and that's it?
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Post by fca47 on Feb 25, 2018 11:12:48 GMT
Cameron should only play in away games, we need more creativity in home games, move Shaquiri into the middle and get Ramadan on.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Feb 25, 2018 11:14:47 GMT
Cameron should only play in away games, we need more creativity in home games, move Shaquiri into the middle and get Ramadan on. Agree but Sobhi clearly is not flavour of the month for whatever reason. New manager same old blind logic of playing Shaq in the wrong position
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 25, 2018 11:57:58 GMT
So that shouldn't be considered as chances? It's one chance. You said we were creating chances. Against Brighton there was the goal, the penalty, the header off the line. In the preceding 89 minutes or so it's a struggle to recall a clear cut chance beyond those. Yesterday there was the goal and a couple of half chances. Given you're the one saying we're creating the chances to win games, I want you to tell us which ones you mean? Are you seriously just saying the Brighton penalty and that's it? OK, your maths better than mine I see, 1 + 1 = 1
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 25, 2018 12:02:09 GMT
It's one chance. You said we were creating chances. Against Brighton there was the goal, the penalty, the header off the line. In the preceding 89 minutes or so it's a struggle to recall a clear cut chance beyond those. Yesterday there was the goal and a couple of half chances. Given you're the one saying we're creating the chances to win games, I want you to tell us which ones you mean? Are you seriously just saying the Brighton penalty and that's it? OK, your maths better than mine I see, 1 + 1 = 1 So to conclude, you can't think of more than that one.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Feb 25, 2018 12:09:46 GMT
Cameron should only play in away games, we need more creativity in home games, move Shaquiri into the middle and get Ramadan on. Agree but Sobhi clearly is not flavour of the month for whatever reason. New manager same old blind logic of playing Shaq in the wrong position And playing Choupo-Moting, who's got as much backbone as a jellyfish!!!
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 25, 2018 12:22:36 GMT
OK, your maths better than mine I see, 1 + 1 = 1 So to conclude, you can't think of more than that one. If that suits you just to end this stupidity, but still impressed by your mathematical skills!
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 25, 2018 12:35:12 GMT
So to conclude, you can't think of more than that one. If that suits you just to end this stupidity, but still impressed by your mathematical skills! It’s not a matter of suiting it, you haven’t been able to answer a simple question.
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 25, 2018 12:36:23 GMT
If that suits you just to end this stupidity, but still impressed by your mathematical skills! It’s not a matter of suiting it, you haven’t been able to answer a simple question. ..and you haven't been able to add 1 + 1 and make it 2!
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 25, 2018 12:38:35 GMT
It’s not a matter of suiting it, you haven’t been able to answer a simple question. ..and you haven't been able to add 1 + 1 and make it 2! Come on mate, you’re embarrassing yourself. That wasn’t your argument and you know it.
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 25, 2018 12:45:45 GMT
..and you haven't been able to add 1 + 1 and make it 2! Come on mate, you’re embarrassing yourself. That wasn’t your argument and you know it. No, I'm not sure who is embarrassing onself here, but if you say we only had one chance apart from Shaq's goal I find it very difficult to have a reasonable discussion about this. We get a penalty, then we get a corner where we have a shot blocked and then we get another corner and Diouf is inches away from scoring and we still have only produced one chance! I will end it here, but sometimes I really wonder if some of us have watched the same game!
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 25, 2018 12:48:20 GMT
Come on mate, you’re embarrassing yourself. That wasn’t your argument and you know it. No, I'm not sure who is embarrassing onself here, but if you say we only had one chance apart from Shaq's goal I find it very difficult to have a reasonable discussion about this. We get a penalty, then we get a corner where we have a shot blocked and then we get another corner and Diouf is inches away from scoring and we still have only produced one chance! I will end it here, but sometimes I really wonder if some of us have watched the same game! Brighton had twice as many shots on target as we did. What chances did we create yesterday, given they hit the post twice, Mahrez went through on goal and Butland had to make a world class save?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2018 12:49:40 GMT
Cameron should only play in away games, we need more creativity in home games, move Shaquiri into the middle and get Ramadan on. I would agree but Cameron is the only defensive midfielder we have. He has to start every game. I don't think Badou and Allen are enough of a defensive presence to play in a 2, and neither of them will be dropped. We've forced ourselves into the 433 with signing Badou and no DM. That said, if we're struggling to score in a 0-0 game, Cameron off for a winger (I'd rather someone who runs in behind like Jese over Ramadan) is a good plan.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Feb 25, 2018 12:51:16 GMT
You could say that and look at it with a negative perspective or see the obvious that we are looking more organised, fitter and getting points from almost all our games. We also create chances, but unfortunately only Shaq seems able to score regularly right now. I really think it's imperative that we keep working on organisation and fitness, and we might even get away from the drop zone at the end of the season. Really? What chances do we create? Shaq scored a blinder from nothing courtesy of their mistake and his other chance came from another mistake by their keeper. Beyond that we created absolutely nothing. Same v Brighton, same v Watford. Have we created many chances with any formation in the last couple of seasons? Are we just a team that creates little no matter what formation we play? It's always been the argument when defending our strikers and their inability to score.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2018 12:51:29 GMT
No, I'm not sure who is embarrassing onself here, but if you say we only had one chance apart from Shaq's goal I find it very difficult to have a reasonable discussion about this. We get a penalty, then we get a corner where we have a shot blocked and then we get another corner and Diouf is inches away from scoring and we still have only produced one chance! I will end it here, but sometimes I really wonder if some of us have watched the same game! Brighton had twice as many shots on target as we did. What chances did we create yesterday, given they hit the post twice, Mahrez went through on goal and Butland had to make a world class save? Neither side did anything really until they scored. Having said that, we should've been 3 up. The goal, Shaq's effort from distance, and Campbell should've got on the end of Shaq's pass. After they scored we shit ourselves and let them in. Before that we deserved to be in the lead.
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 25, 2018 12:59:39 GMT
No, I'm not sure who is embarrassing onself here, but if you say we only had one chance apart from Shaq's goal I find it very difficult to have a reasonable discussion about this. We get a penalty, then we get a corner where we have a shot blocked and then we get another corner and Diouf is inches away from scoring and we still have only produced one chance! I will end it here, but sometimes I really wonder if some of us have watched the same game! Brighton had twice as many shots on target as we did. What chances did we create yesterday, given they hit the post twice, Mahrez went through on goal and Butland had to make a world class save? Starting all over again, are we!!!???? Watch the game again and you'll probably find some if you want to, but I must admit I soon struggle to see what you will classify as a chance! To me it's a goal scoring opportunity to make that clear!
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 25, 2018 13:01:28 GMT
Not fully on top of this XG stuff - but our numbers are very, very low just as they were under Hughes, which suggests we're not really creating much at all, which backs up what we can see with our eyes. Relying on Shaq wondergoals doesn't seem much of a plan.
0.2 yesterday is particularly dreadful
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 25, 2018 13:02:32 GMT
Brighton had twice as many shots on target as we did. What chances did we create yesterday, given they hit the post twice, Mahrez went through on goal and Butland had to make a world class save? Neither side did anything really until they scored. Having said that, we should've been 3 up. The goal, Shaq's effort from distance, and Campbell should've got on the end of Shaq's pass. After they scored we shit ourselves and let them in. Before that we deserved to be in the lead. Shaw’s effort from distance and the Campbell thing were half chances at best. We defended well but first half we didn’t lay a glove on them til Shaq scored and second half I can’t recall a save Schmeichel had to make.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2018 13:03:53 GMT
Neither side did anything really until they scored. Having said that, we should've been 3 up. The goal, Shaq's effort from distance, and Campbell should've got on the end of Shaq's pass. After they scored we shit ourselves and let them in. Before that we deserved to be in the lead. Shaw’s effort from distance and the Campbell thing were half chances at best. We defended well but first half we didn’t lay a glove on them til Shaq scored and second half I can’t recall a save Schmeichel had to make. I think they both should've scored, they were certainly better chances than the goal. And certainly infinitely better than anything they created. They were awful.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 25, 2018 13:04:43 GMT
Brighton had twice as many shots on target as we did. What chances did we create yesterday, given they hit the post twice, Mahrez went through on goal and Butland had to make a world class save? Starting all over again, are we!!!???? Watch the game again and you'll probably find some if you want to, but I must admit I soon struggle to see what you will classify as a chance! To me it's a goal scoring opportunity to make that clear! I’m starting all over again because you constantly refused to answer the question once you realised you couldn’t actually think of any. I’m done now, I just think it’s always nice to actually base your argument on something tangible, rather than rainbows and unicorns.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 25, 2018 13:05:17 GMT
Shaw’s effort from distance and the Campbell thing were half chances at best. We defended well but first half we didn’t lay a glove on them til Shaq scored and second half I can’t recall a save Schmeichel had to make. I think they both should've scored, they were certainly better chances than the goal. And certainly infinitely better than anything they created. They were awful. Look at FM's tweet, that tallies with what I saw tbh.
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 25, 2018 13:09:04 GMT
Our 'Expected goals' yesterday was the same as Huddersfield against us! Sobering stuff....
(and that's the only game under Lambert when our XG has hit the dizzy heights of 1!
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 25, 2018 13:11:59 GMT
Shaw’s effort from distance and the Campbell thing were half chances at best. We defended well but first half we didn’t lay a glove on them til Shaq scored and second half I can’t recall a save Schmeichel had to make. I think they both should've scored, they were certainly better chances than the goal. And certainly infinitely better than anything they created. They were awful. They weren’t good but Mahrez’s chance, their early one they put over and the header that hit the post were all better chances I thought. Plus the save that Jack made. They looked the likelier towards the end.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2018 13:15:14 GMT
I think they both should've scored, they were certainly better chances than the goal. And certainly infinitely better than anything they created. They were awful. They weren’t good but Mahrez’s chance, their early one they put over and the header that hit the post were all better chances I thought. Plus the save that Jack made. They looked the likelier towards the end. Oh definitely after they scored yeah, they got their heads up and we shit ourselves like i said. Before that we were the better team and should've had another, even though we didn't create much at all.
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Post by iglugluk on Feb 25, 2018 13:19:30 GMT
I like Badou from I've seen so far. He's decent. We do need to create more chances however and he's not the man for that job though. Obviously we do create some chances ( see above debate ) but we regularly create noticeably less than than our opponents on any given day which is a major concern and still remains to be sorted out ( if that's possible given our squad ).
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Post by kustokie on Feb 25, 2018 13:20:35 GMT
Maybe, we're just partly fucked whatever team we pick aren't we? I have said it all season, and I will say it again, we haven't got the players to play any formation properly. Nail on head. We have been unbalanced for the past two seasons. It all started when we shifted to three at the back with two wing backs. We got half the equation right. We had the three at the back but failed to sign the wing backs.
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