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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 25, 2018 1:49:52 GMT
He's an all action, leave a gap here and there midfielder, that's pretty clear to see. Nothing wrong with that. But playing alongside another one in a midfield two? Then you have an issue. 433 isn't working for us going forward and it has to change or we will go down meekly. He's essentially exactly the same player as Allen but it's going to take a very brave manager to drop one of them. I guess the best that we can hope for, is that against Citeh and Spurs he sticks with them both in a 433 but against Everton and Palace he has the balls to drop one of them and replace that player with a winger in a 4231, with Shaqiri as the number 10. We need him to be brave. He's pretty much fucked the easier games we had, he's made it so he has to be brave now. That would be the sensible plan for those 4 games. It won't happen. 😂
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Post by trickydicky73 on Feb 25, 2018 1:54:19 GMT
He's essentially exactly the same player as Allen but it's going to take a very brave manager to drop one of them. I guess the best that we can hope for, is that against Citeh and Spurs he sticks with them both in a 433 but against Everton and Palace he has the balls to drop one of them and replace that player with a winger in a 4231, with Shaqiri as the number 10. We need him to be brave. He's pretty much fucked the easier games we had, he's made it so he has to be brave now. That would be the sensible plan for those 4 games. It won't happen. 😂 That's my concern, Bayern. Has he got the required boldness?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 25, 2018 1:58:14 GMT
We need him to be brave. He's pretty much fucked the easier games we had, he's made it so he has to be brave now. That would be the sensible plan for those 4 games. It won't happen. 😂 That's my concern, Bayern. Has he got the required boldness? I don't think he's got the required anythingness. 😂
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Post by Gary Hackett on Feb 25, 2018 2:02:12 GMT
Bit early to judge Badou, I think. He's an all action, leave a gap here and there midfielder, that's pretty clear to see. Nothing wrong with that. But playing alongside another one in a midfield two? Then you have an issue. 433 isn't working for us going forward and it has to change or we will go down meekly. The problem isn't the 3 in midfield, Allen can get forward often enough. The issue is that 2 of the 3 forwards are a pile of shit. 433 is the best formation for us otherwise we'll leak goals again all over the show. The front 3 apart from Shaq offer absolutely nothing and that is the problem we have now. I just hope we can grind out the required 11 points from a couple of cheeky wins and a lot of hard fought draws.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 25, 2018 2:04:14 GMT
He's an all action, leave a gap here and there midfielder, that's pretty clear to see. Nothing wrong with that. But playing alongside another one in a midfield two? Then you have an issue. 433 isn't working for us going forward and it has to change or we will go down meekly. The problem isn't the 3 in midfield, Allen can get forward often enough. The issue is that 2 of the 3 forwards are a pile of shit. 433 is the best formation for us otherwise we'll leak goals again all over the show. The front 3 apart from Shaq offer absolutely nothing and that is the problem we have now. I just hope we can grind out the required 11 points from a couple of cheeky wins and a lot of hard fought draws. Of course they are a problem. Having Allen as your creative central midfielder is awful. We have to have Shaq centrally. It's about the only thing Hughes got right this season. His method of doing being dreadful.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Feb 25, 2018 2:13:12 GMT
The problem isn't the 3 in midfield, Allen can get forward often enough. The issue is that 2 of the 3 forwards are a pile of shit. 433 is the best formation for us otherwise we'll leak goals again all over the show. The front 3 apart from Shaq offer absolutely nothing and that is the problem we have now. I just hope we can grind out the required 11 points from a couple of cheeky wins and a lot of hard fought draws. Of course they are a problem. Having Allen as your creative central midfielder is awful. We have to have Shaq centrally. It's about the only thing Hughes got right this season. His method of doing being dreadful. Did you watch the game? Shaq spent most of it drifting into the centre, thankfully this season he's found the stamina to get back into position most of the time. It will help if he fucks of Choupo and plays someone who gives a shit.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 25, 2018 2:16:06 GMT
Of course they are a problem. Having Allen as your creative central midfielder is awful. We have to have Shaq centrally. It's about the only thing Hughes got right this season. His method of doing being dreadful. Did you watch the game? Shaq spent most of it drifting into the centre, thankfully this season he's found the stamina to get back into position most of the time. It will help if he fucks of Choupo and plays someone who gives a shit. Shaq shouldn't have to be tracking back. He was our biggest threat today but he didn't pose much of a threat and that's a massive worry. All of the front were isolated and got nowhere near each other. The formation has to change. Choupo should have dropped an age ago agreed.
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 25, 2018 6:02:01 GMT
We need to continue playing the three midfielders we did today as those three give the defence the best protection. I must say I was very impressed by our midfield trio today, but we looked much more vulnerable right after Bruno had to leave the pitch and Cameron was moved to central defence. This formation seems to work for us right now. OK, we could have scored more, but in my opinion that is more down to us lacking that clinical striker. We can't attack though and we need to win games. 433 doesn't work for us. I see it in another way as I really can't see us scoring many goals per game so being thight at the back will be even more important. Under Lambert we have just lost one out of five so I think there are a lot of positives to be seen from the team right now. I've even started to believe it's still possible to avoid the drop.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Feb 25, 2018 6:58:32 GMT
Will he be with us next season IF we go down,because Allen won't?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 25, 2018 8:45:12 GMT
We can't attack though and we need to win games. 433 doesn't work for us. I see it in another way as I really can't see us scoring many goals per game so being thight at the back will be even more important. Under Lambert we have just lost one out of five so I think there are a lot of positives to be seen from the team right now. I've even started to believe it's still possible to avoid the drop. And under Lambert we've messed 4 chances of winning our more winnable games up.
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 25, 2018 9:02:14 GMT
I see it in another way as I really can't see us scoring many goals per game so being thight at the back will be even more important. Under Lambert we have just lost one out of five so I think there are a lot of positives to be seen from the team right now. I've even started to believe it's still possible to avoid the drop. And under Lambert we've messed 4 chances of winning our more winnable games up. You could say that and look at it with a negative perspective or see the obvious that we are looking more organised, fitter and getting points from almost all our games. We also create chances, but unfortunately only Shaq seems able to score regularly right now. I really think it's imperative that we keep working on organisation and fitness, and we might even get away from the drop zone at the end of the season.
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Post by Gods on Feb 25, 2018 9:06:22 GMT
And under Lambert we've messed 4 chances of winning our more winnable games up. You could say that and look at it with a negative perspective or see the obvious that we are looking more organised, fitter and getting points from almost all our games. We also create chances, but unfortunately only Shaq seems able to score regularly right now. I really think it's imperative that we keep working on organisation and fitness, and we might even get away from the drop zone at the end of the season. I do agree that at long last we do look like a team that has recognised it is in trouble and is digging deep to try to grind out some results. I think Hughes' biggest fault was his sheer arrogance, he never really accepted that we were in trouble so he set the place up like a holiday camp and sent the lads out to try and play some champagne football which didn't work either because you have to be fit and committed to play great football too.
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 25, 2018 9:09:46 GMT
You could say that and look at it with a negative perspective or see the obvious that we are looking more organised, fitter and getting points from almost all our games. We also create chances, but unfortunately only Shaq seems able to score regularly right now. I really think it's imperative that we keep working on organisation and fitness, and we might even get away from the drop zone at the end of the season. I do agree that at long last we do look like a team that has recognised it is in trouble and is digging deep to try to grind out some results. I think Hughes' biggest fault was his sheer arrogance, he never really accepted that we were in trouble so he set the place up like a holiday camp and sent the lads out to try and play some champagne football which didn't work either because you have to be fit and committed to play great football too. It could have worked playing champagne football if we had swapped a couple of our attacking options with Liverpool's!
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Post by parsonage1955 on Feb 25, 2018 9:35:41 GMT
It's a pretty black and white dilemma. Joe, Geoff and Badger clearly give us the best chance of protecting our back four. But 4231 gives us the best chance of creating opportunities up front. The compromise solution is Joe at 10. But that's hardly ideal either as it keeps Shaq out on the right.
All that said though the biggest issue is our lack of firepower. Maybe we could try Jese up front with Rama and Douff (both of whom help out their full backs) either side of Shaq just behind.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 25, 2018 9:42:58 GMT
He’s an improvement on what we had, so there’s that.
He was never going to be a flashy player I don’t think but he’s got bags of energy, he’s great at dashing back and getting a toe to the ball to break up attacks and win possession back. He’s a Geoff Cameron upgrade, basically.
Also think he’s learning to plug the gaps when Allen goes forward, which is going to be massive for us.
He’s going to be a consistent 7/10 midfielder and I’m absolutely fine with that.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 25, 2018 9:43:16 GMT
And under Lambert we've messed 4 chances of winning our more winnable games up. You could say that and look at it with a negative perspective or see the obvious that we are looking more organised, fitter and getting points from almost all our games. We also create chances, but unfortunately only Shaq seems able to score regularly right now. I really think it's imperative that we keep working on organisation and fitness, and we might even get away from the drop zone at the end of the season. What chances do we create?
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 25, 2018 10:03:47 GMT
You could say that and look at it with a negative perspective or see the obvious that we are looking more organised, fitter and getting points from almost all our games. We also create chances, but unfortunately only Shaq seems able to score regularly right now. I really think it's imperative that we keep working on organisation and fitness, and we might even get away from the drop zone at the end of the season. What chances do we create? So you couldn't see us create any chances against Bmouth, Brighton nor Leicester!? My God your glass is always half empty Bayern!
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 25, 2018 10:06:06 GMT
What chances do we create? So you couldn't see us create any chances against Bmouth, Brighton nor Leicester!? My God your glass is always half empty Bayern! We didn’t create a whole lot against Brighton or Leicester tbf. Our plan seems to be defend like trojans and give it to Shaqiri. There are worse blueprints, to be fair. We never seem to learn that one goal isn’t enough though.
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 25, 2018 10:07:35 GMT
So you couldn't see us create any chances against Bmouth, Brighton nor Leicester!? My God your glass is always half empty Bayern! We didn’t create a whole lot against Brighton or Leicester tbf. Our plan seems to be defend like trojans and give it to Shaqiri. There are worse blueprints, to be fair. We never seem to learn that one goal isn’t enough though. More than enough to win both games in my opinion!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 25, 2018 10:08:42 GMT
What chances do we create? So you couldn't see us create any chances against Bmouth, Brighton nor Leicester!? My God your glass is always half empty Bayern! We created one chance vs Leicester, we took it. We didn't create that much against Brighton and were lucky to draw. I didn't watch the Bournemouth game.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 25, 2018 10:12:48 GMT
And under Lambert we've messed 4 chances of winning our more winnable games up. You could say that and look at it with a negative perspective or see the obvious that we are looking more organised, fitter and getting points from almost all our games. We also create chances, but unfortunately only Shaq seems able to score regularly right now. I really think it's imperative that we keep working on organisation and fitness, and we might even get away from the drop zone at the end of the season. Really? What chances do we create? Shaq scored a blinder from nothing courtesy of their mistake and his other chance came from another mistake by their keeper. Beyond that we created absolutely nothing. Same v Brighton, same v Watford.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 25, 2018 10:18:33 GMT
We didn’t create a whole lot against Brighton or Leicester tbf. Our plan seems to be defend like trojans and give it to Shaqiri. There are worse blueprints, to be fair. We never seem to learn that one goal isn’t enough though. More than enough to win both games in my opinion! Really? By the end of yesterday’s game they’d had the better chances. Beyond the goal, what genuine, clear-cut chances did we create? There was a half-chance for Shaqiri when Schmeichel was off his line and the moment when Campbell didn’t run to the back post to meet Shaq’s ball, what am I forgetting? Brighton had the better chances too imo.
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Post by dingdongbell on Feb 25, 2018 10:23:18 GMT
More than enough to win both games in my opinion! Really? By the end of yesterday’s game they’d had the better chances. Beyond the goal, what genuine, clear-cut chances did we create? There was a half-chance for Shaqiri when Schmeichel was off his line and the moment when Campbell didn’t run to the back post to meet Shaq’s ball, what am I forgetting? Brighton had the better chances too imo. Agree that we look tighter defensively, but very little creativity up top , Choupo must be amazing in training , cos he is awful in matches
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 25, 2018 10:27:22 GMT
So you couldn't see us create any chances against Bmouth, Brighton nor Leicester!? My God your glass is always half empty Bayern! We created one chance vs Leicester, we took it. We didn't create that much against Brighton and were lucky to draw. I didn't watch the Bournemouth game. If you say so Bayern!
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 25, 2018 10:29:02 GMT
You could say that and look at it with a negative perspective or see the obvious that we are looking more organised, fitter and getting points from almost all our games. We also create chances, but unfortunately only Shaq seems able to score regularly right now. I really think it's imperative that we keep working on organisation and fitness, and we might even get away from the drop zone at the end of the season. Really? What chances do we create? Shaq scored a blinder from nothing courtesy of their mistake and his other chance came from another mistake by their keeper. Beyond that we created absolutely nothing. Same v Brighton, same v Watford. Always look at the bright side of life....................
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 25, 2018 10:30:25 GMT
We created one chance vs Leicester, we took it. We didn't create that much against Brighton and were lucky to draw. I didn't watch the Bournemouth game. If you say so Bayern! I do. The only other chance we "created" was given to us by Schmeichel. What else was there? You haven't answered 3 of us.
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 25, 2018 10:31:39 GMT
More than enough to win both games in my opinion! Really? By the end of yesterday’s game they’d had the better chances. Beyond the goal, what genuine, clear-cut chances did we create? There was a half-chance for Shaqiri when Schmeichel was off his line and the moment when Campbell didn’t run to the back post to meet Shaq’s ball, what am I forgetting? Brighton had the better chances too imo. Of course they had! We only missed a penalty and had a ball 3/4 over their goal line! Yes, they certainly had, hard to dispute your wise words.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2018 10:32:18 GMT
Having slept on it. We were bloody lucky to get a draw in the end.
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 25, 2018 10:35:09 GMT
If you say so Bayern! I do. The only other chance we "created" was given to us by Schmeichel. What else was there? You haven't answered 3 of us. I think I've answered you more times than I really bother to, but as you alway are right why should I disagree!? With your optimism football must be a living hell, say no more!
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Post by chiswickpotter on Feb 25, 2018 10:36:54 GMT
We can't attack though and we need to win games. 433 doesn't work for us. I see it in another way as I really can't see us scoring many goals per game so being thight at the back will be even more important. Under Lambert we have just lost one out of five so I think there are a lot of positives to be seen from the team right now. I've even started to believe it's still possible to avoid the drop. But we should be clear that against the same opponents, we have equal points as we did under Hughes and arguably Lambert has had easier games with Brighton, Huddersfield and Watford at home and a full squad plus 3 new players to choose from. We look less likely to concede but much lees likely to score. I don't think we will be relegated but few positives either
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