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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 17:51:55 GMT
Not so much losing him to be honest, he wasn't good enough to play in a team that tried to be more expansive. And we actually kept a shitload of clean sheets without him. Huth wouldn't have made a difference at all. He's slow, can't kick the ball properly and can't turn. That's fine in a deep back line with Kante in front of you as part of 2 banks of 4, where your only order is to hoof it clear. But it shows when you're told to pass the ball, and you don't have the safety net of a ten man defence. The replacement was Wolfy our mercurial ball playing CB, Huth went on to win a PL championship medal play in the Champions League, Wolfy went on to well errrrrmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm play in the German third division. We didn't replace him particularly well, but he was not the answer. Like I say, he suited their style, but having Kante in front of you is a big help. He didn't suit ours and wouldn't have been any better for me. Wollscheid was part of the defence that got us 2 9th place finishes. He wasn't great but he had a good brain for interceptions and reading the game, and could pass. Indi is great. Wilson was good but was error-prone. Muniesa was solid but tended to dive in too quickly. All were better options than Huth to me. Danny Simpson won a premier league medal, doesn't mean he's any good.
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Post by tqstokie on Feb 18, 2018 18:01:14 GMT
Wollscheid and good brain do not compute. Ever likely you write Huth off!
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Post by superheroantonius on Feb 18, 2018 18:09:27 GMT
His greatest strengh was he went out to be marko arnautovic
We have too many passengers, happy to watch the game go bye
One would be too many and We have more than One
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Feb 18, 2018 18:13:12 GMT
Thought his decision making was wank and cost us more times than when he won it for us.
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Post by kurt on Feb 18, 2018 18:17:52 GMT
Thought his decision making was wank and cost us more times than when he won it for us.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 18:18:00 GMT
Wollscheid and good brain do not compute. Ever likely you write Huth off! Liverpool away in the cup showed it, as did Leicester away in 2014/15. He was by no means exceptional but when he was on form he had a good knack for interceptions and reading the game. Huth was built like a fridge and an excellent defender, but he's made for 2 banks of 4 and a deep defence. Not to be a ball player who doesn't has to read the game and stop attacks further up the pitch than just inside the 6 yard box.
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Post by geoff321 on Feb 18, 2018 18:21:45 GMT
Top goal scorers since promotion:
Crouch 1 in 3.87 games
Walters 1 in 4.37
Diouf 1 in 5.39
Fuller 1 in 5.45
Arni. 1 in 5.57
Shaqiri 1 in 6.23
C-Moting 1 in 7
Not sure if I've missed anyone out but on the above figures it's fairly clear that if we take Crouch and Walters out of the team, the ability to get goals is a problem.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Feb 18, 2018 18:23:09 GMT
Thought his decision making was wank and cost us more times than when he won it for us. You're Austrian so you would laugh. He's the only hope of your team producing any good football.
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Post by tqstokie on Feb 18, 2018 18:25:56 GMT
Wollscheid and good brain do not compute. Ever likely you write Huth off! Liverpool away in the cup showed it, as did Leicester away in 2014/15. He was by no means exceptional but when he was on form he had a good knack for interceptions and reading the game. Huth was built like a fridge and an excellent defender, but he's made for 2 banks of 4 and a deep defence. Not to be a ball player who doesn't has to read the game and stop attacks further up the pitch than just inside the 6 yard box. Wollscheid was rubbish and spent most of his time watching the ball and allowing players to run past him. He had about three games when you could say he was decent. Huth was much better!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 18:30:53 GMT
Liverpool away in the cup showed it, as did Leicester away in 2014/15. He was by no means exceptional but when he was on form he had a good knack for interceptions and reading the game. Huth was built like a fridge and an excellent defender, but he's made for 2 banks of 4 and a deep defence. Not to be a ball player who doesn't has to read the game and stop attacks further up the pitch than just inside the 6 yard box. Wollscheid was rubbish and spent most of his time watching the ball and allowing players to run past him. He had about three games when you could say he was decent. Huth was much better! I'd say that's a bit harsh, he was good in several games and we kept 12 clean sheets in the 45 appearances he had, which is really not bad at all. Huth was much better in a flat back 6 under Pulis and at Leicester, both where he's protected by defensive midfielders and sat very deep. He's an exceptional defender, but he'd have had rings run around him under the Hughes style we played up till 2016, and on the ball he is abysmal.
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Post by kurt on Feb 18, 2018 18:34:10 GMT
You're Austrian so you would laugh. He's the only hope of your team producing any good football. I would agree with you, that he made sometimes wrong decisions (like every football player), but "it costs more than he win for us" is laughable. He has produced most Scorer-Points (goals and assists) every season he was here. Apart from his wrong decisions, he also made the most good decisions every year, you should mention. Walters or Whelan, who weren't able to stop a ball in their last year, cost us more.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Feb 18, 2018 18:40:22 GMT
You're Austrian so you would laugh. He's the only hope of your team producing any good football. I would agree with you, that he made sometimes wrong decisions (like every football player), but "it costs more than he win for us" is laughable. He has produced most Scorer-Points (goals and assists) every season he was here. Apart from his wrong decisions, he also made the most good decisions every year, you should mention. Walters or Whelan, who weren't able to stop a ball in their last year, cost us more. We're a better team without him. We can't afford someone like him in our time. He thinks he's 10x better than he is.
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Post by kurt on Feb 18, 2018 18:41:30 GMT
I would agree with you, that he made sometimes wrong decisions (like every football player), but "it costs more than he win for us" is laughable. He has produced most Scorer-Points (goals and assists) every season he was here. Apart from his wrong decisions, he also made the most good decisions every year, you should mention. Walters or Whelan, who weren't able to stop a ball in their last year, cost us more. We're a better team without him. We can't afford someone like him in our time. He thinks he's 10x better than he is.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 18, 2018 22:06:59 GMT
Wollscheid and good brain do not compute. Ever likely you write Huth off! Liverpool away in the cup showed it, as did Leicester away in 2014/15. He was by no means exceptional but when he was on form he had a good knack for interceptions and reading the game. Huth was built like a fridge and an excellent defender, but he's made for 2 banks of 4 and a deep defence. Not to be a ball player who doesn't has to read the game and stop attacks further up the pitch than just inside the 6 yard box. Built like a fridge, but still quicker than Wolfy, if Wolfy was/is that good where is he plying his trade now ?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 22:17:49 GMT
Liverpool away in the cup showed it, as did Leicester away in 2014/15. He was by no means exceptional but when he was on form he had a good knack for interceptions and reading the game. Huth was built like a fridge and an excellent defender, but he's made for 2 banks of 4 and a deep defence. Not to be a ball player who doesn't has to read the game and stop attacks further up the pitch than just inside the 6 yard box. Built like a fridge, but still quicker than Wolfy, if Wolfy was/is that good where is he plying his trade now ? Wollscheid isn't very good. Huth wouldn't have been either. My point was more that our centre backs weren't as big a problem as other things for me, namely the midfield.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 18, 2018 22:18:17 GMT
The replacement was Wolfy our mercurial ball playing CB, Huth went on to win a PL championship medal play in the Champions League, Wolfy went on to well errrrrmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm play in the German third division. We didn't replace him particularly well, but he was not the answer. Like I say, he suited their style, but having Kante in front of you is a big help. He didn't suit ours and wouldn't have been any better for me. Wollscheid was part of the defence that got us 2 9th place finishes. He wasn't great but he had a good brain for interceptions and reading the game, and could pass. Indi is great. Wilson was good but was error-prone. Muniesa was solid but tended to dive in too quickly. All were better options than Huth to me. Danny Simpson won a premier league medal, doesn't mean he's any good. He could pass five yards anything over that he was useless, Huth was and still is a far better defender than Wolfy will ever be, his partnership with Ryan was immense one of the best in the PL. Hughes should have built on that not destroyed it the prat, if you talk to Leicester fans they will confirm that Huth was an integral part in their Championship winning side you are talking out of your arse to suggest differently.
Wolfy great brain fcuk me you don't have a clue about football do you, still insist Berahino will come good
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 18, 2018 22:19:55 GMT
Built like a fridge, but still quicker than Wolfy, if Wolfy was/is that good where is he plying his trade now ? Wollscheid isn't very good. Huth wouldn't have been either. My point was more that our centre backs weren't as big a problem as other things for me, namely the midfield. N'Zonzi ????????????????????????? really I won't bother any more.
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Post by Jimmyg on Feb 18, 2018 22:25:25 GMT
I would agree with you, that he made sometimes wrong decisions (like every football player), but "it costs more than he win for us" is laughable. He has produced most Scorer-Points (goals and assists) every season he was here. Apart from his wrong decisions, he also made the most good decisions every year, you should mention. Walters or Whelan, who weren't able to stop a ball in their last year, cost us more. We're a better team without him. We can't afford someone like him in our time. He thinks he's 10x better than he is. really! I thought he was our main attacking threat last year and a major contributer to our season , to sell him and not replace him is costing us dearly.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 22:28:24 GMT
We didn't replace him particularly well, but he was not the answer. Like I say, he suited their style, but having Kante in front of you is a big help. He didn't suit ours and wouldn't have been any better for me. Wollscheid was part of the defence that got us 2 9th place finishes. He wasn't great but he had a good brain for interceptions and reading the game, and could pass. Indi is great. Wilson was good but was error-prone. Muniesa was solid but tended to dive in too quickly. All were better options than Huth to me. Danny Simpson won a premier league medal, doesn't mean he's any good. He could pass five yards anything over that he was useless, Huth was and still is a far better defender than Wolfy will ever be, his partnership with Ryan was immense one of the best in the PL. Hughes should have built on that not destroyed it the prat, if you talk to Leicester fans they will confirm that Huth was an integral part in their Championship winning side you are talking out of your arse to suggest differently.
Wolfy great brain fcuk me you don't have a clue about football do you, still insist Berahino will come good
Huth is excellent. He excels when there is a deep defence and a midfield that sits in front. He can't pas and doesnt read the play well outside the box, which he'd need to do far more in an expansive side. Wollscheid was pretty decent at reading the play early when he was on form. I never said Berahino will come good either tbh.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 22:29:52 GMT
Wollscheid isn't very good. Huth wouldn't have been either. My point was more that our centre backs weren't as big a problem as other things for me, namely the midfield. N'Zonzi ????????????????????????? really I won't bother any more. What?
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Post by trickydicky73 on Feb 18, 2018 22:30:10 GMT
We're a better team without him. We can't afford someone like him in our time. He thinks he's 10x better than he is. really! I thought he was our main attacking threat last year and a major contributer to our season , to sell him and not replace him is costing us dearly. He's a fucking brilliant player. If he was still here we would be nowhere near the relegation zone.
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Post by wingy11 on Feb 18, 2018 22:50:18 GMT
I have to agree arnie was our best player but to get 25 mill was good business, the failing comes when we replace him with a freebie.. it didn’t help when a clueless manager played a system 15 games more than he should have. The team should of gone back to basics ages before but hughes carried on.. Everything thats happened though i blame the board for and no one else you cant keep being in the bottom three spenders of the league and stay up.. Coates had an idea of the football club being self funded but its truely fucked up and thats the problem.. You cant bury ya head in the sand
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Post by trickydicky73 on Feb 18, 2018 22:54:05 GMT
Top goal scorers since promotion: Crouch 1 in 3.87 games Walters 1 in 4.37 Diouf 1 in 5.39 Fuller 1 in 5.45 Arni. 1 in 5.57 Shaqiri 1 in 6.23 C-Moting 1 in 7 Not sure if I've missed anyone out but on the above figures it's fairly clear that if we take Crouch and Walters out of the team, the ability to get goals is a problem. Wonder who has the best goals to chances ratio?
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Post by cbwhu on Feb 19, 2018 8:56:30 GMT
I have to agree arnie was our best player but to get 25 mill was good business I agreed at the time thought we'd overpaid but honestly no wind up but we wouldn't take double that at the moment
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Post by Godo on Feb 19, 2018 8:59:49 GMT
I agree we didnt effectively replace him but I'm not sure that explains why we were so shit from January 2017 when he was still here. The poor quality of the squad overall, poor coaching, poor fitness and shit recruitment are all to blame. Funny thing is as well that over that period we have had posters on here extolling the virtues of players such as Diouf, Crouch, Cameron etc etc who quite frankly would not start for any other team in this division. So the deficiencies are across the squad not just wide left. We need a massive clear out of about 12 playears but who the fuck would want them. .....and why do we not even know properly who is in charge of scouting and recruitment?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 9:02:36 GMT
I have to agree arnie was our best player but to get 25 mill was good business I agreed atthe time though we'd overpaid buthonestly no wind up but we wouldn't take double that at the moment Good of you lot to have stopped booing him now. Fickle.
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Post by cbwhu on Feb 19, 2018 10:06:13 GMT
I agreed atthe time though we'd overpaid buthonestly no wind up but we wouldn't take double that at the moment Good of you lot to have stopped booing him now. Fickle. you being the only non fickle football fans in existence I assume?
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Post by mrred on Feb 19, 2018 10:22:16 GMT
I would agree with you, that he made sometimes wrong decisions (like every football player), but "it costs more than he win for us" is laughable. He has produced most Scorer-Points (goals and assists) every season he was here. Apart from his wrong decisions, he also made the most good decisions every year, you should mention. Walters or Whelan, who weren't able to stop a ball in their last year, cost us more. We're a better team without him. We can't afford someone like him in our time. He thinks he's 10x better than he is. That would have been valid at any point in the first 2 years he was here. However we completely relied on him last season, even as his biggest critic- he put the work in at both ends to contribute to the team. Could you say we have that now? He's upped his game there. He ripped Huddersfield apart on his own a few weeks ago and to quote you, looked "10x" better than anything we have. Shaqiri included.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 10:23:09 GMT
Good of you lot to have stopped booing him now. Fickle. you being the only non fickle football fans in existence I assume? We don't tend to boo our own players.
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Post by mrred on Feb 19, 2018 10:25:08 GMT
you being the only non fickle football fans in existence I assume? We don't tend to boo our own players. Come off it, we're the first ones to boo our own players if they aren't putting the work in. Who was it that got boo'd a few weeks back? And as a colelctive there were plenty of half time boo's over the last few years.
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