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Post by Staffsoatcake on Feb 14, 2018 22:41:14 GMT
Scholes and co were too busy rubbing their cocks over the money we got for Arnie,to worry about replacing him.
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Feb 16, 2018 8:38:56 GMT
Totally agree. Arnie was consistently our best / most effective player - no question. Understandably a lot of Stoke fans took it to heart but his reasons for leaving were clearly justified - ambition... If he left because of ambition then why the fkk did he join West Ham? I was scratching my head the same, especially as they floundered early season, but perhaps their "ambition" was much more believable than what was evident at Stoke?
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Post by stokiekm on Feb 16, 2018 8:58:59 GMT
So are there going to be chants of 'Arnie, you were right.. Arnie, Arnie you were right' and 'he left coz we're shit' sung at hammers game? 😃
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Post by stokiekm on Feb 16, 2018 9:02:57 GMT
Totally agree. Arnie was consistently our best / most effective player - no question. Understandably a lot of Stoke fans took it to heart but his reasons for leaving were clearly justified - ambition... If he left because of ambition then why the fkk did he join West Ham? because from what we've seen signings wise it was more likely a reference to our lack of ambition in what, 3 seasons.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 16, 2018 9:36:00 GMT
If proof were needed just take a look at the player we brought in to replace him, Cheapo moting could not lace Arnies boots.
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Post by jarvinski on Feb 16, 2018 10:05:28 GMT
Oslo has got this spot on, Arnie did and would have made the difference, but if someone wants to leave what do you do
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Post by Silvio on Feb 16, 2018 10:17:36 GMT
Oslo has got this spot on, Arnie did and would have made the difference, but if someone wants to leave what do you do Exactly right mate. You can't keep players when they want to leave. Much bigger clubs than Stoke also face this reality. However what you can do is spend all the money you receive for your best player and main attacking threat on buying a replacement for the massive fuck off hole it leaves in your fragile and limited team. Because if you don't, you're almost certainly going to be staring down the barrel of a relegation that'll cost a lot more than the £20m you received for said player. But surely the hired goons in the Stoke transfer team with all their knowledge and nous wouldn't make such an obvious schoolboy error and try to replace him on the cheap. Because that would be fucking moronic.
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Post by cbwhu on Feb 16, 2018 12:15:51 GMT
Time to dispel this 1 in 6 myth. He was much better than that. And even if it was the case he only had 1 good game in 6, then those other 5 he was still contributing on average a lot more than the players we have now. Some seem to make out that players are crap when we leave. No need to be bitter about it. certainly doing it week in week out for us since Moyes gave him a rocket, stuck him up front and got him working his backkside off. When I came here in the summer a Lot of you were saying Ramadam was better and would replace him
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2018 12:46:25 GMT
Oslo has got this spot on, Arnie did and would have made the difference, but if someone wants to leave what do you do Arnie was only papering over cracks last year, we'd hardly be flying up the table if he were here, and then no doubt it would be business as usual as we'd probably finish 12th or something and everything would seem fine to Coates. With the teams from 6th downwards playing like they are we should have been pushing for at the very least 8th with our squad. Especially if Arnie were still here.
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Post by RAF on Feb 16, 2018 12:49:25 GMT
Time to dispel this 1 in 6 myth. He was much better than that. And even if it was the case he only had 1 good game in 6, then those other 5 he was still contributing on average a lot more than the players we have now. Some seem to make out that players are crap when we leave. No need to be bitter about it. certainly doing it week in week out for us since Moyes gave him a rocket, stuck him up front and got him working his backkside off. When I came here in the summer a Lot of you were saying Ramadam was better and would replace him That is because people were still smarting at the time and were lashing out and being bitter. The fact is Arnie was bang on about our club having no ambition and Ramadam can't lace his boots. Should have offered him the extra 30k a week. Well worth it when you look at the fucking state of us with Berahinho being top earner and not scoring for 2 years. H
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Post by dadofsam on Feb 16, 2018 13:17:54 GMT
But doesn't the self sufficiency model dictate that we must replace players sold at a profit with cheaper ones?
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Post by owdestokie2 on Feb 16, 2018 13:23:22 GMT
The “loss” or failure was not to sign an adequate replacement
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Post by oslostokie1 on Feb 16, 2018 13:42:27 GMT
The “loss” or failure was not to sign an adequate replacement Easier said than done though
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Post by kurt on Feb 16, 2018 13:56:38 GMT
Totally agree. Arnie was consistently our best / most effective player - no question. Understandably a lot of Stoke fans took it to heart but his reasons for leaving were clearly justified - ambition... If he left because of ambition then why the fkk did he join West Ham? Don't you think they have the better players - especially in the offensive? Chicharito, Caroll, Antonio are definitely better than Crouch, Berahino and Diouf....and as good as Shaq is, but with Lanzini Arni has finally a perfect partner to play his one touch football - they fit together like twins. Think, that is what Arni missed enormously at Stoke - a real number 10, who passes the ball back to him very fast and un the right moment. It's sad that Bojan has shown that only in few games.
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Post by cbwhu on Feb 16, 2018 13:59:14 GMT
If he left because of ambition then why the fkk did he join West Ham? Don't you think they have the better players - especially in the offensive? Chicharito, Caroll, Antonio are definitely better than Crouch, Berahino and Diouf....and as good as Shaq is, but with Lanzini Arni has finally a perfect partner to play his one touch football - they fit together like twins. Think, that is what Arni missed enormously at Stoke - a real number 10, who passes the ball back to him very fast and un the right moment. It's sad that Bojan has shown that only in few games. Mario is of a similar ilk also, looking forward to seeing the three of them together
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Post by fca47 on Feb 16, 2018 18:02:59 GMT
The way he was playing for us, he wasn't that much of a loss, but if we had a pairing like he has with Lanzini , then he would be a vast improvement on what we have now..
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Post by loosestools on Feb 16, 2018 20:11:18 GMT
Cannot blame him for going. London club, the big sell, more dosh, better players around him, no wonder his head was turned. Hughes obviously failed to motivate him, and the Board's attitude to spending big to supply great players around him inevitably made him and his agent to say 'fuck it, there is no progress here in the next season' Look at him ripping it up at the moment, every game, not one in five! He is the man at West Ham.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Feb 16, 2018 20:14:51 GMT
The “loss” or failure was not to sign an adequate replacement Easier said than done though I disagree. Many teams across all divisions whether in the UK or abroad have faced the same dilemma in the past with so called “stars”. Football has gone on and continues to do so. We are involved in an expansive (hopefully) world of football that should deliver alternatives. We we failed as a club not to find an adequate or better replace t as we chose to go the cheap option route
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Post by tqstokie on Feb 16, 2018 20:37:12 GMT
The loss of Huth has been a much bigger problem! The defence has never looked secure since he went.
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Post by malteser68 on Feb 17, 2018 13:22:32 GMT
Oslo has got this spot on, Arnie did and would have made the difference, but if someone wants to leave what do you do Put your hand deep into your pockets, get out the cash and replace him with someone decent not a lazy freebie who cannot be arsed
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 17, 2018 13:27:16 GMT
The loss of Huth has been a much bigger problem! The defence has never looked secure since he went. The first and most major bollock dropped by Hughes of which there were quite a few.
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Post by iglugluk on Feb 17, 2018 14:09:58 GMT
The loss of Huth has been a much bigger problem! The defence has never looked secure since he went. It was an extremely poor decision........ our decline was particularly evident after NZonzi's departure though.......which it has to be said was no ones fault. The failure in replacing him was a bad mistake though which was further compounded by failure to replace Arnie.
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Post by professorplump on Feb 17, 2018 17:53:33 GMT
Of course Arnie has been missed although I didn't think he had a particularly good second half of last season. In fact there were times when he probably deserved to be dropped in favour of Ramadan. I think our biggest problem this season has been with our defence and central midfield. Losing Arnie has been a factor, but not the main factor.
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 17, 2018 17:57:03 GMT
The loss of Huth has been a much bigger problem! The defence has never looked secure since he went. Clearly untrue.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 14:33:19 GMT
I reckon that for all his inconsistencies, there were 5-6 games in each of the last three seasons where he turned draws into victories or defeats into draws, accumulating an extra 10 points or so which we have not managed to replace. That haul would see us sitting pretty handsomely in mid-table, even this season. Teams like us only need one star to make all the difference in the extremely congested second half of the table, and he was ours. He's been carrying West Ham for months who otherwise would be no better than us. Our predicament isn't that much down to the management or board in my view. Yes, they've made mistakes and would have done things differently with hindsight (eg. Berahino signing) but all clubs in the second half are having the same dim view of their own club's leaders. We could change them all several times but it would not progress us much in my view. a 'no shit sherlock' posting.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 15:41:56 GMT
The loss of Huth has been a much bigger problem! The defence has never looked secure since he went. Not so much losing him to be honest, he wasn't good enough to play in a team that tried to be more expansive. And we actually kept a shitload of clean sheets without him. Huth wouldn't have made a difference at all. He's slow, can't kick the ball properly and can't turn. That's fine in a deep back line with Kante in front of you as part of 2 banks of 4, where your only order is to hoof it clear. But it shows when you're told to pass the ball, and you don't have the safety net of a ten man defence.
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Post by tqstokie on Feb 18, 2018 15:50:22 GMT
The loss of Huth has been a much bigger problem! The defence has never looked secure since he went. Not so much losing him to be honest, he wasn't good enough to play in a team that tried to be more expansive. And we actually kept a shitload of clean sheets without him. Huth wouldn't have made a difference at all. He's slow, can't kick the ball properly and can't turn. That's fine in a deep back line with Kante in front of you as part of 2 banks of 4, where your only order is to hoof it clear. But it shows when you're told to pass the ball, and you don't have the safety net of a ten man defence. I agree with what you say but the problem was that we never replaced the physical presence and Shawcross has not looked anywhere near as secure with Wollscheid, Martins Indi or Zouma. We needed to spend big to get a top class centre half and two good full backs and this season the problems have come home to roost.
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Post by onepara on Feb 18, 2018 15:56:56 GMT
When Arnie said that we had no ambition, I think that he was saying that we don't pay enough to get the better players, & therefore won't challenge for anything. It can't be argued that West Ham do pay more, & do attract the better players. Arnie wanted to see better players around him. At Stoke he only had Allen & Shack.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 18, 2018 17:40:21 GMT
When Arnie said that we had no ambition, I think that he was saying that we don't pay enough to get the better players, & therefore won't challenge for anything. It can't be argued that West Ham do pay more, & do attract the better players. Arnie wanted to see better players around him. At Stoke he only had Allen & Shack. What about Fletch a colossal balls up.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 18, 2018 17:43:02 GMT
The loss of Huth has been a much bigger problem! The defence has never looked secure since he went. Not so much losing him to be honest, he wasn't good enough to play in a team that tried to be more expansive. And we actually kept a shitload of clean sheets without him. Huth wouldn't have made a difference at all. He's slow, can't kick the ball properly and can't turn. That's fine in a deep back line with Kante in front of you as part of 2 banks of 4, where your only order is to hoof it clear. But it shows when you're told to pass the ball, and you don't have the safety net of a ten man defence. The replacement was Wolfy our mercurial ball playing CB, Huth went on to win a PL championship medal play in the Champions League, Wolfy went on to well errrrrmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm play in the German third division.
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