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Post by pez75 on Feb 14, 2018 9:37:46 GMT
Time to dispel this 1 in 6 myth. He was much better than that. And even if it was the case he only had 1 good game in 6, then those other 5 he was still contributing on average a lot more than the players we have now. Some seem to make out that players are crap when we leave. No need to be bitter about it. Totally agree. Arnie was consistently our best / most effective player - no question. Understandably a lot of Stoke fans took it to heart but his reasons for leaving were clearly justified - ambition...
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Feb 14, 2018 9:38:25 GMT
I was really hoping we wouldn't have missed him, but we have...BIG time.... and replaced him with....er....erm....Choupo-Moting!!!
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Feb 14, 2018 10:15:40 GMT
clearly a big loss but it goes a fair bit deeper , we were not that far away from being in a mess last season when he was here .
Choupo looks less than half the player Arnie is and Jese was a nightmare waiting to happen if anyone had looked closely enough , ha has ability and its if he wants to show potential buyers what he has for next season that might save us over these final games
The major issue for us has been poor recruitment both in terms of ability and more importantly character . We had a strong team in terms of character and now we have a weak one even if the individuals have more ability .
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2018 10:20:46 GMT
I think we have a weak team and no real quality individuals apart from shaquiri.
Last time i saw jack his toys looked firmly thrown out of the pram.
Choupo manages to not seem strong or very good.
Baur looks decent to be fair.
We are screwed
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2018 10:22:18 GMT
The midfield was so old before the guy from turkey came it was actually funny in a criminally depressing sort of way
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Post by mrred on Feb 14, 2018 10:27:39 GMT
We're a better team without him. I wish you right. And I wish we could have looked back on this season without any regret. However watching him a few times for West Ham this year, particularly on Saturday- he's night and day better than anything we've got. He's upped his game and looked fucking lethal on Saturday. Shame really as the guy's a massive, massive cunt.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Feb 14, 2018 10:47:35 GMT
Oh indeed and you're probably underestimating that there Momo. The Jese deal is the one I don't get. He was the replacement, the same mistake we did with Fonz and replacing him with a loan. Except with added baggage, bigger wages and a dodgy knee. Chopper is a good back up player for a club like ours. It's the lack of due diligence that pisses me off. Imbula, Bojan, Wimmer, Berahino, Jese all had reasons why they had not performed at previous clubs. Reasons, that with a bit of digging, were easy enough to find out. We either didn't care, or didn't care to look and I fear it was the latter. It's amateurish at best, sheer incompetence at worst. I don't think it's either. I think we knew they were "problem children" but Hughes just fancied himself as they type of coach/man-manager/mentor - call it what you will who could get inside their heads and make them tick. He'd probably claim to have done that with Arnautovic and thought he could do it with just about anyone else. I remember some quote from him when he was trying to sign Phil Jones on loan (who was out of favour at United at the time - it was something along the lines of "We have a bit of a reputation here for getting the best out of players who have lost their way". I'd like to say "only in your own head mate" - but for some inexplicable reason he continued to manage to persuade the hierarchy to pay good money for such - ahem - "lost souls"
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2018 11:17:21 GMT
Jese was a nightmare waiting to happen if anyone had looked closely enough I resent you saying that. Jese's problem has been domestic . No one could have foreseen that. Not many would not have suffered as a result. His recent flash of egoism is something else but it happens elsewhere.
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Post by foster on Feb 14, 2018 11:23:31 GMT
Don't hold any grudges against him to be honest. The same applies to Zonzi. I only care about what they do on the pitch.
Both were my favourite players and we sold both without properly replacing them. Classic examples of a selling club, unable to keep hold of its best players or thinking it can find better for cheaper... which we haven't managed to do.
If Arnie were still here we wouldn't be in this mess.
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Post by thebet365 on Feb 14, 2018 11:27:44 GMT
Jese was a nightmare waiting to happen if anyone had looked closely enough I resent you saying that. Jese's problem has been domestic . No one could have foreseen that. Not many would not have suffered as a result. His recent flash of egoism is something else but it happens elsewhere. Tbf Jese's baby was born prematurely in June, we didn't sign him until mid August. Maybe there's been unforseen problems since but there was certainly a big risk already in place.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 14, 2018 11:27:56 GMT
Disagree. It's been standard Bojan. Start well and then fade and then kick off. What. Standard that he gets injured? That was one of the complaints about him from previous clubs yes.
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Post by roylandstoke on Feb 14, 2018 11:32:41 GMT
Jese was a nightmare waiting to happen if anyone had looked closely enough I resent you saying that. Jese's problem has been domestic . No one could have foreseen that. Not many would not have suffered as a result. His recent flash of egoism is something else but it happens elsewhere. There have been many reports from the mother of his child suggesting that Jese has been more concerned with his football than with his family. Jese's problem appears to be that he is far too spoiled and immature to face up to any of his responsibilities.
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Post by crownmeking on Feb 14, 2018 12:08:36 GMT
We certainly miss Arnie, we miss his creativeness, he had good on the pitch connections with a number of players. He wasn't consistent, but very few players ever are. Trying to replace what Arnie brought to our game, cheaply was a massive mistake.
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Post by stantheman on Feb 14, 2018 12:10:25 GMT
I resent you saying that. Jese's problem has been domestic . No one could have foreseen that. Not many would not have suffered as a result. His recent flash of egoism is something else but it happens elsewhere. Tbf Jese's baby was born prematurely in June, we didn't sign him until mid August. Maybe there's been unforseen problems since but there was certainly a big risk already in place. And Jese's girlfriend says that he has rarely been near their Son of late. Her family have had to take time off work to care for him and Jese has spent more of his time partying and living the high life, rather than looking after his Son. So what he's been doing for the last few, highly paid, months is anyone's guess. My Twin sons were born 10 x weeks premature, and I got about a week off work. His girlfriend has said that they are 100% split and there is no chance of getting back together.
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Post by cousindupree on Feb 14, 2018 12:27:17 GMT
Arnie's departure is certainly one of many reasons why we are in such a mess. Although with 25m in the bank from the sale we really couldn't have spent this money any more pathetically call it pennypinching or in the name of self sufficiency, its the same thing. To replace your No1 player and match winner with a free transfer was absolute madness.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2018 13:06:05 GMT
To the people who have quoted me on this thread, I apologise for my sarcasm as I was taking the piss out of the many posters who were saying that we are a better team without him earlier in the season.
We miss him massively and I was saying this at the very start of this season when loads of people were blinded by a couple of decent results. He's been on fire for West Ham of late and it's horrible to watch as we become the shit show we have this season.
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Post by cooper67 on Feb 14, 2018 14:45:55 GMT
When Arnie signed his new contract in the summer of 2016 when Everton were supposedly interested-he said he had been given reassurances about new signings etc and about our future direction.
A year later he is on his way siteing our lack of ambition.
Perhaps he thought he had been fobbed off in 2016??
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Post by stantheman on Feb 14, 2018 14:51:02 GMT
The bottom line is that Arnie could see the writing on the wall last summer and all his talk of lack of ambition has proved to be 100% true.
Replacing him with the dire Choupo was an absolute joke.
The way in which he ripped us apart at our place, and should have scored a hat-trick, makes a mockery of anyone who says we don't miss him.
He'll be well and truly fired up for our visit to the London Stadium in April and we'll be looking at the likes of Duiof, Choupo and Co to score goals.
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Feb 14, 2018 15:03:07 GMT
Time to dispel this 1 in 6 myth. He was much better than that. And even if it was the case he only had 1 good game in 6, then those other 5 he was still contributing on average a lot more than the players we have now. Some seem to make out that players are crap when we leave. No need to be bitter about it. Some couldn't accept he was good when he was here, why would you expect them to see otherwise when he leaves?
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Post by Silvio on Feb 14, 2018 15:14:46 GMT
Arnie was comfortably our best and most effective player. He would've papered over the gaping cracks this season - we'd be 5-10 points better off and i bet Hughes might still be in charge.
Absolutely criminal that we replaced our best player with a free and effectively spent his transfer fee on Kevin Wimmer (wtf). For that alone, they should pack off the useless pricks in the transfer team.
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Feb 14, 2018 16:12:14 GMT
Time to dispel this 1 in 6 myth. He was much better than that. And even if it was the case he only had 1 good game in 6, then those other 5 he was still contributing on average a lot more than the players we have now. Some seem to make out that players are crap when we leave. No need to be bitter about it. Some couldn't accept he was good when he was here, why would you expect them to see otherwise when he leaves? True, I was hoping that they would have realised the reality when they saw Choupo-Moting play as he has in most games this season
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Post by shaqri on Feb 14, 2018 17:07:25 GMT
i agree arnautovic is a big loss. despite is little spats he was a maverick. He could turn games. Wondering on other thoughts if we changed manager at the start would he have stayed
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Post by oslostokie1 on Feb 14, 2018 18:36:51 GMT
It’s not Choupo’s fault he is not Arnie. Out of all the signings made this season, excluding the two new lads, he has arguably been the best which is admittedly not exactly a ringing endorsement.
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Post by harrysburrow on Feb 14, 2018 18:54:12 GMT
i agree arnautovic is a big loss. despite is little spats he was a maverick. He could turn games. Wondering on other thoughts if we changed manager at the start would he have stayed Don't think he would have stayed for Lambert.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Feb 14, 2018 19:23:55 GMT
Jese was a nightmare waiting to happen if anyone had looked closely enough I resent you saying that. Jese's problem has been domestic . No one could have foreseen that. Not many would not have suffered as a result. His recent flash of egoism is something else but it happens elsewhere. Read about his behaviour last season. Why did he only last 6 months in Paris and why did he flop on loan at his home team also the thing with his kid is sad but he is an idiot . We all have difficulty at some point in life be that bereavement of family illness but you still have.to do your job . What about his tantrum before Christmas when he didn't get on and stormed to the dressing room whist the match was still going on . We can just hope he wants to make an impression in these last.few games .
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Post by skelman on Feb 14, 2018 21:09:32 GMT
I hated what Arnautovic and his brother said and did at the time but it looks like he was right .... We had no ambition!!
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Post by swampySCFC on Feb 14, 2018 21:18:18 GMT
Time to dispel this 1 in 6 myth. He was much better than that. And even if it was the case he only had 1 good game in 6, then those other 5 he was still contributing on average a lot more than the players we have now. Some seem to make out that players are crap when we leave. No need to be bitter about it. He made things happen the surly cunt and scored goals too. We've missed it and havent replaced it. Is that Cartwright's fault?
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Post by PolPotter on Feb 14, 2018 21:30:55 GMT
Time to dispel this 1 in 6 myth. He was much better than that. And even if it was the case he only had 1 good game in 6, then those other 5 he was still contributing on average a lot more than the players we have now. Some seem to make out that players are crap when we leave. No need to be bitter about it. Totally agree. Arnie was consistently our best / most effective player - no question. Understandably a lot of Stoke fans took it to heart but his reasons for leaving were clearly justified - ambition... If he left because of ambition then why the fkk did he join West Ham?
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Post by mattface on Feb 14, 2018 21:33:24 GMT
i agree arnautovic is a big loss. despite is little spats he was a maverick. He could turn games. Wondering on other thoughts if we changed manager at the start would he have stayed Doubt it - if we paid him 50k more he may have stayed regardless who was in charge - has fuck all to do with ambition he went to West Ham.
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Post by ethers26 on Feb 14, 2018 22:21:11 GMT
100% this but nobody will freely admit it because he handed it to us when they came here this season.
We've been shit defensively for a while, but Arnie used to be the difference when we played the teams around us.
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