|
Post by teenagefanclub on Feb 12, 2018 20:41:08 GMT
Could we get that for Butland, Shaq and Allen if we went down?
Then spend it on getting 10 x 10 million championship grafters?
|
|
|
Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 12, 2018 20:44:01 GMT
No.
|
|
|
Post by trickydicky73 on Feb 12, 2018 20:45:22 GMT
£60 million tops. We are Stoke.
|
|
|
Post by alster on Feb 12, 2018 20:45:53 GMT
Could we get that for Butland, Shaq and Allen if we went down? Then spend it on getting 10 x 10 million championship grafters? We won't be signing £100M worth of players if we go down no matter who we sell and for how much.
|
|
|
Post by tony1234 on Feb 12, 2018 20:49:18 GMT
The issue Stoke face is that the average TV income from 2017 for a PL club is £125m In the Championship, without parachute payments its £4m-£5m Of course your sponsorship deals shrink too etc So as soon as we hit the Championship, just as much as we need to be competitive, we will need to have one eye on our existence - insuring that we don't reach the end of the parachute period with a 100m gap between income and outgoings!
So if those three go, and we get 100m (which I doubt we will with the doddering imbeciles who run the commercial negotiations ) its only largely covered that gap.* With a wage bill in 2016-17 of 92m, the squad will need a restructure. To give some sort of context, Derby's wage bill is considered to be about 26m (and Burton's 4m, but let's not go there!)
*I'd predict we'd get 20-25m for Butland, 20m for Shaq and 15m for Allen. People see us coming now When actually what needs to happen more is we get rid of these from our wage bill Imbula (4m), Fletcher (4m), Beharinho (4m) and Wimmer (4m)
|
|
|
Post by harrysburrow on Feb 12, 2018 20:50:06 GMT
They didn't spend that to try and stay up, they're not going to spend it on a promotion campaign.
|
|
|
Post by cousindupree on Feb 12, 2018 20:52:18 GMT
I am sure they all have sell on clauses so not as much as we would expect
|
|
|
Post by alster on Feb 12, 2018 20:52:21 GMT
£60 million tops. We are Stoke. £75M minimum even for Stoke but there's no way we'd just go out and spend it. We'd be trying to massively reduce the wage bill, there's those we could shift for good money that wouldn't be a big problem but there'd be those we were stuck with on stupid wages too that would prevent any such splurge the op is alluding to.
|
|
|
Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Feb 12, 2018 20:55:19 GMT
No
With additional sales we might get to 70m, but that won't be enough to rebuild the squad.
|
|
|
Post by trickydicky73 on Feb 12, 2018 21:03:40 GMT
£60 million tops. We are Stoke. £75M minimum even for Stoke but there's no way we'd just go out and spend it. We'd be trying to massively reduce the wage bill, there's those we could shift for good money that wouldn't be a big problem but there'd be those we were stuck with on stupid wages too that would prevent any such splurge the op is alluding to. What a colossal mess.
|
|
|
Post by rorystowel on Feb 12, 2018 21:11:06 GMT
When actually what needs to happen more is we get rid of these from our wage bill Imbula (4m), Fletcher (4m), Beharinho (4m) and Wimmer (4m) We’ll need to pay someone £4m to take Berahino off our hands.
|
|
|
Post by enuntio on Feb 12, 2018 21:19:40 GMT
We go down and it becomes a Fire Sale, smoke damaged goods going cheap If we stay up, it'll be the same scenario
|
|
|
Post by Staffsoatcake on Feb 12, 2018 21:21:36 GMT
How many loans are you allowed in the Championship? Because our tight fisted board will use it to the max.
|
|
|
Post by benjaminbiscuit on Feb 12, 2018 21:23:13 GMT
Your forgetting self sufficiency is the mantra .
lets say we lose £110m income , parachute payments of £55m and 35m gives a two year shortfall of 110m .
sell the three amigos for £60m and we have £40m to find in other cuts over the two years that’s the way the club will portray it .
Tony bloom at Brighton reckoned it cost him £15m a season to get promoted so self sufficiency willl lead to many things but not promotion .
The club have been aware of these numbers but have persisted in being the 20th level spenders for three of the last 5 years and 16th and 17th for the other two , trying to avoid the catastrophe that is relegation by beating the market over a sustained period absolute madness with only one inevitable outcome .
as for fiscal meltdown it’s utter rubbish 365 had enough distributable resources to pay a single director a £200m dividend last year , no problem there at all and perfectly entitled to do so , but to suggest relegation will put us in any peril under their ownership is tripe .
|
|
|
Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 12, 2018 21:25:32 GMT
We go down and it becomes a Fire Sale, smoke damaged goods going cheap If we stay up, it'll be the same scenario Sunderland got £30 million for Pickford when they were relegated, there's no reason we should get any less for Jack. We turned down £25 million for Allen just three weeks ago, he doesn't suddenly become less than that if we go down. We'll piss £25 million for Shaqiri. These are good players we are talking about there will be plenty of interest in them. We will also have substantial parachute payments to soften the blow.
|
|
|
Post by stokiejoeofalsager on Feb 12, 2018 21:25:34 GMT
Butland £40m Shaqiri £35m Allen £25m
Yes.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 21:30:40 GMT
No chance Stoke would be lucky to get 40million we can't negotiate for shit.
|
|
|
Post by jarhead on Feb 12, 2018 21:35:29 GMT
Absolutely it’s a complete fuckin shambles and all avoidable.
|
|
|
Post by terrorofturfmoor on Feb 12, 2018 21:35:54 GMT
£60 million tops. We are Stoke. Knock about £30M off that....THEN say "we are Stoke"!!!
|
|
|
Post by adamsson on Feb 12, 2018 21:38:51 GMT
Butland £40m Shaqiri £35m Allen £25m Yes. No £70 million tops for all three, possibly a lot less.
|
|
|
Post by forwhatitsworth on Feb 12, 2018 21:39:19 GMT
Could we get that for Butland, Shaq and Allen if we went down? Then spend it on getting 10 x 10 million championship grafters? £30M Butland £20M Shaq £10M Allen
Tops
|
|
|
Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 12, 2018 21:42:27 GMT
2 words that give me the shivers when I think about next summers business.
Tony Scholes
Common sense would say
Butland 30m Allen 18m Shaq 25m
Then offload
Fletcher free Wimmer 5m Ireland free Afellay 2m Imbula 8m Crouch free Johnson 1m Adam 2m
Hopefully we’ll keep hold of
Bauer Ryan Indi Eric Badou Ramadan Bojan
And add to the quality left with some hungry young players who have a desire to play in the PL. With the physical needs of the Championship we’d be stupid to keep hold of Adam and Fletcher. We really do need to add some energy.
|
|
|
Post by robstokie on Feb 12, 2018 21:44:20 GMT
Could we get that for Butland, Shaq and Allen if we went down? Then spend it on getting 10 x 10 million championship grafters? I think it depends how we are going to look at next season. If we are going to go for broke and try to get back up immediately, we might do that, but if it doesn't work it would be disasterous for the club. I personally think we will go the other way (or at least should) - try to get as much money for Shaq, Butland and Allen, trim the wage bill as much as possible by getting rid of wasters such as Berahino, promote the likes of Sweeney, possibly Souttar, NGoy, Campbell and possibly Verlinden to the first team, and bring in 3-4 decent, youngish championship players (people like George Thorne or Hourihane from Villa). If we are stuck with Berahino, Wimmer, Ireland, Affellay and Johnson, I am genuinely fearful that we could do what Wolves did 5-6 years ago and fall straight into league 1.
|
|
|
Post by andystokey on Feb 12, 2018 21:45:00 GMT
I don't think we will get £20m for Shaq he hasn't enough left on his contract. I agree with the other posters, if we go down it will less than £20m of incoming transfers probably a lot lower even if we sell all of those. The aim will be to get the wage bill down and quick.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 21:46:01 GMT
Your forgetting self sufficiency is the mantra . lets say we lose £110m income , parachute payments of £55m and 35m gives a two year shortfall of 110m . sell the three amigos for £60m and we have £40m to find in other cuts over the two years that’s the way the club will portray it . Tony bloom at Brighton reckoned it cost him £15m a season to get promoted so self sufficiency willl lead to many things but not promotion . The club have been aware of these numbers but have persisted in being the 20th level spenders for three of the last 5 years and 16th and 17th for the other two , trying to avoid the catastrophe that is relegation by beating the market over a sustained period absolute madness with only one inevitable outcome . as for fiscal meltdown it’s utter rubbish 365 had enough distributable resources to pay a single director a £200m dividend last year , no problem there at all and perfectly entitled to do so , but to suggest relegation will put us in any peril under their ownership is tripe . Nailed it
|
|
|
Post by Absolution on Feb 12, 2018 21:47:57 GMT
Could we get that for Butland, Shaq and Allen if we went down? Then spend it on getting 10 x 10 million championship grafters? £30M Butland £20M Shaq £10M Allen
Tops
£40m Butland - think we have to give 20% to Birmingham, so basically we get £32m £25m Shaqiri £20m Allen
|
|
|
Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Feb 12, 2018 21:52:46 GMT
Could we get that for Butland, Shaq and Allen if we went down? Then spend it on getting 10 x 10 million championship grafters? £30M Butland £20M Shaq £10M Allen
Tops
I thin, we will get between 35-40m Fox Jack, the other two are spot on. If we go along the fire sale route we could be looking at Jack 35m Shaq 15m Allen 13m Fletch 4m BMI 6m Ryan 5m Saido 5m Plus Ireland, and one or two others.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 21:53:06 GMT
£30M Butland £20M Shaq £10M Allen
Tops
£40m Butland - think we have to give 20% to Birmingham, so basically we get £32m £25m Shaqiri £20m Allen No chance halve it.
|
|
|
Post by enuntio on Feb 12, 2018 21:54:02 GMT
We go down and it becomes a Fire Sale, smoke damaged goods going cheap If we stay up, it'll be the same scenario Sunderland got £30 million for Pickford when they were relegated, there's no reason we should get any less for Jack. We turned down £25 million for Allen just three weeks ago, he doesn't suddenly become less than that if we go down. We'll piss £25 million for Shaqiri. These are good players we are talking about there will be plenty of interest in them. We will also have substantial parachute payments to soften the blow. I'm still hopeful the parachute payments don't come into it. I can see a a few players wanting out either way. It's going to be a busy summer for Stoke. And in the meantime, can all these good players please manage to put in good performances for a full 90 minutes x 11. It would be worth paying to watch :-p
|
|
|
Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 12, 2018 21:55:43 GMT
£30M Butland £20M Shaq £10M Allen
Tops
I thin, we will get between 35-40m Fox Jack, the other two are spot on. If we go along the fire sale route we could be looking at Jack 35m Shaq 15m Allen 13m Fletch 4m BMI 6m Ryan 5m Saido 5m Plus Ireland, and one or two others. Anyone willing to pay 4m for Fletcher needs sectioning.
|
|