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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 12, 2018 21:57:38 GMT
£40m Butland - think we have to give 20% to Birmingham, so basically we get £32m £25m Shaqiri £20m Allen No chance halve it. We really should get more than 16m for Jack 12m for Shaq 10m for Allen If we sell them for that someone needs sacking.
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Feb 12, 2018 21:58:21 GMT
I thin, we will get between 35-40m Fox Jack, the other two are spot on. If we go along the fire sale route we could be looking at Jack 35m Shaq 15m Allen 13m Fletch 4m BMI 6m Ryan 5m Saido 5m Plus Ireland, and one or two others. Anyone willing to pay 4m for Fletcher needs sectioning. A very good point, very well made.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 21:58:26 GMT
£30M Butland £20M Shaq £10M Allen
Tops
I thin, we will get between 35-40m Fox Jack, the other two are spot on. If we go along the fire sale route we could be looking at Jack 35m Shaq 15m Allen 13m Fletch 4m BMI 6m Ryan 5m Saido 5m Plus Ireland, and one or two others. 4m fletcher?? Come on eh this is getting a fucking joke on here now. Are you actually smacked up??
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Post by stokie25 on Feb 12, 2018 21:59:26 GMT
Jesus Christ! What a depressing conversation , despite it being true 😣
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 22:00:10 GMT
We really should get more than 16m for Jack 12m for Shaq 10m for Allen If we sell them for that someone needs sacking. You think? All three have done naff all to warrant any more and our side are shit at selling.
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Post by tony1234 on Feb 12, 2018 22:28:46 GMT
When actually what needs to happen more is we get rid of these from our wage bill Imbula (4m), Fletcher (4m), Beharinho (4m) and Wimmer (4m) We’ll need to pay someone £4m to take Berahino off our hands Sorry. My lack of clarity - I meant that we need his £4m annual wages (70k x 52 weeks = 3.5m + bonuses and usual overheads, like insurances, for any staffer) off our bill Christ. What have I said?!
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Post by forwhatitsworth on Feb 12, 2018 22:39:37 GMT
I thin, we will get between 35-40m Fox Jack, the other two are spot on. If we go along the fire sale route we could be looking at Jack 35m Shaq 15m Allen 13m Fletch 4m BMI 6m Ryan 5m Saido 5m Plus Ireland, and one or two others. Anyone willing to pay 4m for Fletcher needs sectioning. I was just about to say something very similar. Downside is he has another year left on his contract I believe. Either a loan out or a free if someone is willing pay whatever hes on
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Post by shangamuzo on Feb 12, 2018 22:44:35 GMT
Could we get that for Butland, Shaq and Allen if we went down? Then spend it on getting 10 x 10 million championship grafters? £30M Butland £20M Shaq £10M Allen
Tops
That's my estimate too.
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Post by tony1234 on Feb 12, 2018 22:49:25 GMT
£30M Butland £20M Shaq £10M Allen
Tops
That's my estimate too. Q. Whether we get that probably depends on how many bidders. If its just Liverpool, we can hardly refuse 20m. But if there are 2-3 in play, then it quickly inflates the price and 30m looks more gettable. Do you think there would be?
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Post by shangamuzo on Feb 12, 2018 22:55:35 GMT
Q. Whether we get that probably depends on how many bidders. If its just Liverpool, we can hardly refuse 20m. But if there are 2-3 in play, then it quickly inflates the price and 30m looks more gettable. Do you think there would be? It depends on how many clubs have a dodgy keeper I suppose if you're talking about Jack for 30 million. He'll want to go himself and Liverpool are favourites.
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Post by potterblade on Feb 12, 2018 23:02:57 GMT
We should have done that ages ago
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Feb 12, 2018 23:14:57 GMT
£30M Butland £20M Shaq £10M Allen
Tops
I thin, we will get between 35-40m Fox Jack, the other two are spot on. If we go along the fire sale route we could be looking at Jack 35m Shaq 15m Allen 13m Fletch 4m BMI 6m Ryan 5m Saido 5m Plus Ireland, and one or two others. Fletcher £4m! Good God,I remember when horse Shit was free.
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Post by localloser on Feb 12, 2018 23:25:34 GMT
Sunderland got £30 million for Pickford when they were relegated, there's no reason we should get any less for Jack. We turned down £25 million for Allen just three weeks ago, he doesn't suddenly become less than that if we go down. We'll piss £25 million for Shaqiri. These are good players we are talking about there will be plenty of interest in them. We will also have substantial parachute payments to soften the blow. I'm still hopeful the parachute payments don't come into it. I can see a a few players wanting out either way. It's going to be a busy summer for Stoke. And in the meantime, can all these good players please manage to put in good performances for a full 90 minutes x 11. It would be worth paying to watch :-p Many of us on here have already paid - and we haven't seen all these good players put in a good performance for a full 90 minutes for a very long time.
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Post by pottarius on Feb 12, 2018 23:53:32 GMT
Income: Butland £30M - 20% to Brum = £24M Shaqiri £15M (maybe more if Mahrez leaves Leicester early in the summer - its the most obvious fit for me) Allen £15M Ndaiye £15M (a profit in 4mths!) Pieters £5M (off for a pay day in ME or China I bet) BMI £5M (obviously not a Lambert pick) total income: ~£80M or so
Take a hit: Berahino £3M sale but offset 50% of wages to pay off contract -£8M = -£5M Imbula £5M sale but offset 50% of wages to pay off contract -£8M = -£3M Wimmer £3M sale but offset 50% of wages to pay off contract -£8M = -£5M Bojan free - pay off say 75% remaining contract = -£7M total hit to get rid: ~ -£20M
Crouch free Affelay free Fletcher free Cameron free (to MLS) Ireland free
Likely we can claw back around £60M to find players for the championship. But then again its Scholes/Carto, so more like £20M
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2018 0:03:19 GMT
If we stay up I'd say: Jack £40m Shaq £25m Allen £20m
but honestly i'd want us to get more for them. Most other teams would be looking at £100m for those 3.
If we go down: Jack £20m Shaq £15m Allen £15m
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Post by kustokie on Feb 13, 2018 1:13:36 GMT
£30M Butland £20M Shaq £10M Allen
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£40m Butland - think we have to give 20% to Birmingham, so basically we get £32m £25m Shaqiri £20m Allen We might get half that for Butland if we are lucky. He is nowhere near as good as he was before his injury. He does not come off his line as quickly, he is less confident on crosses and his kicking is almost as bad as Bego’s.
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Post by hanibal7 on Feb 13, 2018 2:19:44 GMT
Could we get that for Butland, Shaq and Allen if we went down? Then spend it on getting 10 x 10 million championship grafters? I think it depends how we are going to look at next season. If we are going to go for broke and try to get back up immediately, we might do that, but if it doesn't work it would be disasterous for the club. I personally think we will go the other way (or at least should) - try to get as much money for Shaq, Butland and Allen, trim the wage bill as much as possible by getting rid of wasters such as Berahino, promote the likes of Sweeney, possibly Souttar, NGoy, Campbell and possibly Verlinden to the first team, and bring in 3-4 decent, youngish championship players (people like George Thorne or Hourihane from Villa). If we are stuck with Berahino, Wimmer, Ireland, Affellay and Johnson, I am genuinely fearful that we could do what Wolves did 5-6 years ago and fall straight into league 1. Errrr what if villa get promoted, not a very good post.
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Post by hanibal7 on Feb 13, 2018 2:23:43 GMT
Jesus Christ! What a depressing conversation , despite it being true 😣 I am enjoying this thread lol
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Post by exiledpotter on Feb 13, 2018 8:20:05 GMT
The flip side of not bankrupting ourselves to stay in the Premier League is that being relegated (I still think we will survive) does not bring instant financial ruin. There are several clubs (e.g. West Sham) who's financial models (and fancy stadium) are not geared up to being relegated.
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Post by potterblade on Feb 13, 2018 8:28:39 GMT
The flip side of not bankrupting ourselves to stay in the Premier League is that being relegated (I still think we will survive) does not bring instant financial ruin. There are several clubs (e.g. West Sham) who's financial models (and fancy stadium) are not geared up to being relegated. We have probably always been geared for relegation. A self fulfilling prophecy sadly.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Feb 13, 2018 10:06:00 GMT
The flip side of not bankrupting ourselves to stay in the Premier League is that being relegated (I still think we will survive) does not bring instant financial ruin. There are several clubs (e.g. West Sham) who's financial models (and fancy stadium) are not geared up to being relegated. We are owned by a company that would struggle to go bankrupt if they tried , as posted elsewhere one director just paid themselves a £200m dividend , is possible they had a different class share class but more than likely other directors and shareholders received similar reward based on their proportionate shareholding . All perfectly reasonable given their hard work and success but to pay it the company must have distributable resources indicating any relegation burden might cut the dividend stream but nothing else . our financial model is 100% a decision of choice by the owning company as has been the decision to be the 20th lowest spenders for three of the last five years and 15th and 16th for the other two , never in the top ten despite that being our league position . All within. Their prerogative and I’d be boiling with the incompetents who spent the money they were givenif you were them but to suggest we are or have been or will be under any fiscal pressure is utter rubbish, our fiscal decisions are one of choice not necessity , as is to suggest we have been in any way well run .
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Post by miggoscfc on Feb 13, 2018 10:10:07 GMT
When actually what needs to happen more is we get rid of these from our wage bill Imbula (4m), Fletcher (4m), Beharinho (4m) and Wimmer (4m) We’ll need to pay someone £4m to take Berahino off our hands. He'd Surely stay and in all fairness a drop down a division could do him a world of good. Him and Diouf I'm the championship could be a very good partnership.
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Post by miggoscfc on Feb 13, 2018 10:12:52 GMT
2 words that give me the shivers when I think about next summers business. Tony Scholes Common sense would say Butland 30m Allen 18m Shaq 25m Then offload Fletcher free Wimmer 5m Ireland free Afellay 2m Imbula 8m Crouch free Johnson 1m Adam 2m Hopefully we’ll keep hold of Bauer Ryan Indi Eric Badou Ramadan Bojan And add to the quality left with some hungry young players who have a desire to play in the PL. With the physical needs of the Championship we’d be stupid to keep hold of Adam and Fletcher. We really do need to add some energy. Bojan is done at this club, I'd love to have him back especially the damage he could do in the championship but the club made a point of giving Badou the 27 shirt when he could have had any other number. It was a very public statement that Bojan will not return whatever happens.
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Post by RF10 on Feb 13, 2018 10:16:46 GMT
10 million for Allen?! West Ham have supposedly just offered us 25 million.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Feb 13, 2018 10:22:27 GMT
What would be my solution is the CEO of 365 , currently one of the worlds most sucecesful women steps in to prevent further damage and loss to the parent company ,and takes charge , clearly retaining the chairman in his figure head role and John on the board but provides 1 The ruthless leadership and people selection required 2 an appropriate investment strategy and business plan 3 the appropriate platform for bet 365
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Post by thegift on Feb 13, 2018 10:56:42 GMT
Could we get that for Butland, Shaq and Allen if we went down? Then spend it on getting 10 x 10 million championship grafters? It should be £100M for them all. £40M for shaq £40M for jack £20M for allen And yes could get 10 grafters for that, easily. Look at wolves, apart from neves, all their signings have been low spend. Neves - £18M Miranda - £3M Barry Douglas - £1M Rafael Mir - £2M Ryan Bennett - Free John Ruddy - Free Diogo Jota - Loan + about 7 others all free or on loan.
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Post by metalhead on Feb 13, 2018 11:00:27 GMT
Being a Championship team would result in us having to sell those big names for cheap. Shaq would go for 12 if we were lucky, and Butland would go for similar money.
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Post by exiledpotter on Feb 13, 2018 13:37:38 GMT
The flip side of not bankrupting ourselves to stay in the Premier League is that being relegated (I still think we will survive) does not bring instant financial ruin. There are several clubs (e.g. West Sham) who's financial models (and fancy stadium) are not geared up to being relegated. We are owned by a company that would struggle to go bankrupt if they tried , as posted elsewhere one director just paid themselves a £200m dividend , is possible they had a different class share class but more than likely other directors and shareholders received similar reward based on their proportionate shareholding . All perfectly reasonable given their hard work and success but to pay it the company must have distributable resources indicating any relegation burden might cut the dividend stream but nothing else . our financial model is 100% a decision of choice by the owning company as has been the decision to be the 20th lowest spenders for three of the last five years and 15th and 16th for the other two , never in the top ten despite that being our league position . All within. Their prerogative and I’d be boiling with the incompetents who spent the money they were givenif you were them but to suggest we are or have been or will be under any fiscal pressure is utter rubbish, our fiscal decisions are one of choice not necessity , as is to suggest we have been in any way well run . I think we have been well run, but admittedly not of late. You seem to think that we have never been. Yes we disagree. My post was about the club being in a reasonable financial position even if the worst happens. You think we will relegated (you may be right) but believe that if we'd bought different players (who we have no way of knowing if they wanted to come to Stoke or not) and or spent more (lots more) we wouldn't be where we are (you may be wrong - see my comment on West Ham, and a previous one about Leeds). The two views are not mutually exclusive ... but I take pleasure from hoping for the best ... and in that spirit, look forward to you buying the club so you can invest the millions you like to spend. (Bet365 and SCFC are different entities, the club doesn't have a divine right to the betting company's dosh).
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Post by 1982stokie on Feb 13, 2018 13:49:26 GMT
Being a Championship team would result in us having to sell those big names for cheap. Shaq would go for 12 if we were lucky, and Butland would go for similar money. Not sure that's true, Sunderland still got 30 mil for Pickford, season before Newcastle got 30 mill for Sossoko, as long as our team can be strong in negotiating
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Post by PotterEd on Feb 13, 2018 13:50:48 GMT
Being a Championship team would result in us having to sell those big names for cheap. Shaq would go for 12 if we were lucky, and Butland would go for similar money. It may be that we don't get much for these three but that will solely be down to the ineptitude of our staff handling the negotiations rather than being in the Championship. Harry Maguire played one season in the Prem, got relegated and Leicester paid a fee of up to 17m for him. Pickford was keeper for a disastrous Sunderland team and Everton paid 30m for him. Shaqiri should be commanding a fee of 30m plus. He's only 26, he's now got 3 seasons under his belt in the Prem and he'll be playing in a World Cup in the summer. Butland is English so that adds a big premium. We shouldn't accept less than 30m for him. If it's true that we turned down 25m for Allen then we should be prepared to sell him for 20-25m as he'll be itching for a move in the summer.
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