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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Feb 13, 2018 15:38:51 GMT
We are owned by a company that would struggle to go bankrupt if they tried , as posted elsewhere one director just paid themselves a £200m dividend , is possible they had a different class share class but more than likely other directors and shareholders received similar reward based on their proportionate shareholding . All perfectly reasonable given their hard work and success but to pay it the company must have distributable resources indicating any relegation burden might cut the dividend stream but nothing else . our financial model is 100% a decision of choice by the owning company as has been the decision to be the 20th lowest spenders for three of the last five years and 15th and 16th for the other two , never in the top ten despite that being our league position . All within. Their prerogative and I’d be boiling with the incompetents who spent the money they were givenif you were them but to suggest we are or have been or will be under any fiscal pressure is utter rubbish, our fiscal decisions are one of choice not necessity , as is to suggest we have been in any way well run . I think we have been well run, but admittedly not of late. You seem to think that we have never been. Yes we disagree. My post was about the club being in a reasonable financial position even if the worst happens. You think we will relegated (you may be right) but believe that if we'd bought different players (who we have no way of knowing if they wanted to come to Stoke or not) and or spent more (lots more) we wouldn't be where we are (you may be wrong - see my comment on West Ham, and a previous one about Leeds). The two views are not mutually exclusive ... but I take pleasure from hoping for the best ... and in that spirit, look forward to you buying the club so you can invest the millions you like to spend. (Bet365 and SCFC are different entities, the club doesn't have a divine right to the betting company's dosh). Not sure why the hostility , but Stoke city and Bet 365 mutually joined by ownership , i didn't say there was a divine right indeed i said the owners have a choice what they would like to do and every right to make it , but lets be clear its a choice not a financial necessity . The point about investment is if course you can get it wrong we are living proof given the incompetence of our transfer team but if you dont make it all at the same rate as your competitors then your going to suffer , Bournemouth , palace , west ham , everton all finished below us but invested and look at the role reversal , newcastle invested differently in the best possible manager all are now materially more likely to stay on the £100m gravy train than we are .
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Post by metalhead on Feb 13, 2018 16:00:02 GMT
Being a Championship team would result in us having to sell those big names for cheap. Shaq would go for 12 if we were lucky, and Butland would go for similar money. Not sure that's true, Sunderland still got 30 mil for Pickford, season before Newcastle got 30 mill for Sossoko, as long as our team can be strong in negotiating Smart negotiating. We've got the Pizza team? They still struggle to handle negotiating two for Tuesday from Dominoes, and that's a regular offer.
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Post by crouchie on Feb 13, 2018 16:20:26 GMT
if we get relegated an absolute shitstorm is going to hit this club, forget about the wimmer's the berahino's the imbula's for now, with the amount of comings and goings there are going to be during the summer as soon as the final whistle blows at swansea scholes and cartwright should be dismissed and the best hard nosed take no shit transfer negotiaters that money can buy should be set on. with the players we will have to sell it it could mean the difference between sticking with crouch and berahino or getting that 25-30 goal striker that could blast us back up
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Post by simple on Feb 13, 2018 20:42:50 GMT
With Jacks form of late lucky to get 20 million then we have to pay Birmingham a %.
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Post by rorystowel on Feb 18, 2018 10:16:08 GMT
We’ll need to pay someone £4m to take Berahino off our hands. He'd Surely stay and in all fairness a drop down a division could do him a world of good. Him and Diouf I'm the championship could be a very good partnership. Did you see Berahino play at the Ricoh against Coventry. Totally ineffective against League 2 opposition. Yes we were crap, and Diouf missed about 5 goal scoring chances, but at least he was making runs. Berahino was statuesque and his one chance, with just the keeper to beat, was fluffed. Rely on him in the championship and we’ll be in League 1 the season after.
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 18, 2018 10:33:58 GMT
If we go down I think Diouf and Campbell up front could be the answer to take us up again, but I guess we will have to part with Allen, Shaq, Crouch, Afellay and Butland (no choice I think). Hopefully we can get rid of Wimmer, Imbula, Berahino and Fletcher too and also get some money back in the process! I also hope NGoy and Verlinden could make the step up as we certainly will need more options for the wings and up front too at times.
................Grant (or a new keeper)...... Bauer....Shawcross.....Bruno.......Tymon/Pieters Ngoy........Badou.....Cameron..........Ramadan ..............Diouf..Campbell..................
Subs: Bursik, Souttar, Sweeney, Edwards, Ireland, Adam, Banks, Shenton, Verlinden, Chapou, new striker? I really have too little knowledge about our u-21 players.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 18, 2018 10:40:36 GMT
If we go down I think Diouf and Campbell up front could be the answer to take us up again, but I guess we will have to part with Allen, Shaq, Crouch, Afellay and Butland (no choice I think). Hopefully we can get rid of Wimmer, Imbula, Berahino and Fletcher too and also get some money back in the process! I also hope NGoy and Verlinden could make the step up as we certainly will need more options for the wings and up front too at times. ................Grant (or a new keeper)...... Bauer....Shawcross.....Bruno.......Tymon/Pieters Ngoy........Badou.....Cameron..........Ramadan ..............Diouf..Campbell.................. Subs: Bursik, Souttar, Sweeney, Edwards, Ireland, Adam, Banks, Shenton, Verlinden, Chapou, new striker? I really have too little knowledge about our u-21 players. The £50 million Mark Hughes trio fuck up will be a problem, who will want any of them even for free.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 10:51:31 GMT
What difference does it make what we get for players?
We won’t spend more than we do now
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Post by essexstokey on Feb 18, 2018 10:55:01 GMT
If we go down I think Diouf and Campbell up front could be the answer to take us up again, but I guess we will have to part with Allen, Shaq, Crouch, Afellay and Butland (no choice I think). Hopefully we can get rid of Wimmer, Imbula, Berahino and Fletcher too and also get some money back in the process! I also hope NGoy and Verlinden could make the step up as we certainly will need more options for the wings and up front too at times. ................Grant (or a new keeper)...... Bauer....Shawcross.....Bruno.......Tymon/Pieters Ngoy........Badou.....Cameron..........Ramadan ..............Diouf..Campbell.................. Subs: Bursik, Souttar, Sweeney, Edwards, Ireland, Adam, Banks, Shenton, Verlinden, Chapou, new striker? I really have too little knowledge about our u-21 players. problem is I can see 2 of that team going (sold) badou and Bauer but can see Crouch staying (age and wanting to get us back up)
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 18, 2018 10:55:34 GMT
If we go down I think Diouf and Campbell up front could be the answer to take us up again, but I guess we will have to part with Allen, Shaq, Crouch, Afellay and Butland (no choice I think). Hopefully we can get rid of Wimmer, Imbula, Berahino and Fletcher too and also get some money back in the process! I also hope NGoy and Verlinden could make the step up as we certainly will need more options for the wings and up front too at times. ................Grant (or a new keeper)...... Bauer....Shawcross.....Bruno.......Tymon/Pieters Ngoy........Badou.....Cameron..........Ramadan ..............Diouf..Campbell.................. Subs: Bursik, Souttar, Sweeney, Edwards, Ireland, Adam, Banks, Shenton, Verlinden, Chapou, new striker? I really have too little knowledge about our u-21 players. The £50 million Mark Hughes trio fuck up will be a problem, who will want any of them even for free. Imbula still seems to get some attention from Italy, but I guess we will have to wave goodbye to at least half of what we paid for him, I also hope we can get £6-7M for Wimmer yet. When it comes to Berahino I think we will be lucky just to get him off the pay roll! I guess the same goes for Fletcher, but at least we didn't pay too much for him. I actually think both Ireland and Adam still could do a good job in the championship, but I of course still hope we can stay up but I'm not very optimistic.
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Post by hanibal7 on Feb 18, 2018 10:57:56 GMT
if we get relegated an absolute shitstorm is going to hit this club, forget about the wimmer's the berahino's the imbula's for now, with the amount of comings and goings there are going to be during the summer as soon as the final whistle blows at swansea scholes and cartwright should be dismissed and the best hard nosed take no shit transfer negotiaters that money can buy should be set on. with the players we will have to sell it it could mean the difference between sticking with crouch and berahino or getting that 25-30 goal striker that could blast us back up 25-30 goals, I just pissed me sen laughing
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Post by djduncanjames on Feb 18, 2018 11:01:39 GMT
Do we still own Wooly? Ive list track of all these players
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Post by parsonage1955 on Feb 18, 2018 12:17:01 GMT
How can a middling Championship club ( or a mid size Spanish, French, or Italian club) afford to pay 65 grand a week for PL players who've failed to cut the mustard? Unless the likes of Imbula, Saido or Wimmer are prepared to 'take a view' in order to get regular football - l'm not sure how these people get to find a new employer. (SCFC aren't alone with this problem, plenty of PL clubs have players on the books they can't now shift).
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Post by StokieBoy31 on Feb 18, 2018 12:34:47 GMT
It’s not like FIFA when you get all the money in one go, it comes in instalments most of the time off big transfer fees. Over a few years.
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Post by bhp on Feb 18, 2018 16:42:28 GMT
The issue Stoke face is that the average TV income from 2017 for a PL club is £125m In the Championship, without parachute payments its £4m-£5m Of course your sponsorship deals shrink too etc So as soon as we hit the Championship, just as much as we need to be competitive, we will need to have one eye on our existence - insuring that we don't reach the end of the parachute period with a 100m gap between income and outgoings! So if those three go, and we get 100m (which I doubt we will with the doddering imbeciles who run the commercial negotiations ) its only largely covered that gap.* With a wage bill in 2016-17 of 92m, the squad will need a restructure. To give some sort of context, Derby's wage bill is considered to be about 26m (and Burton's 4m, but let's not go there!) *I'd predict we'd get 20-25m for Butland, 20m for Shaq and 15m for Allen. People see us coming now When actually what needs to happen more is we get rid of these from our wage bill Imbula (4m), Fletcher (4m), Beharinho (4m) and Wimmer (4m) £25m for Butland and £20m for Shaqiri ahah ok mate.
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Post by bhp on Feb 18, 2018 16:51:35 GMT
Being a Championship team would result in us having to sell those big names for cheap. Shaq would go for 12 if we were lucky, and Butland would go for similar money. £12m for Butland? Your username is accurate.
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Post by metalhead on Feb 18, 2018 22:16:55 GMT
Being a Championship team would result in us having to sell those big names for cheap. Shaq would go for 12 if we were lucky, and Butland would go for similar money. £12m for Butland? Your username is accurate.
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Post by foster on Feb 19, 2018 12:01:20 GMT
100m haha
We wouldn't get half that, even without the players all wanting to jump ship and us getting held to ransom.
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Post by foster on Feb 19, 2018 12:03:49 GMT
Being a Championship team would result in us having to sell those big names for cheap. Shaq would go for 12 if we were lucky, and Butland would go for similar money. It may be that we don't get much for these three but that will solely be down to the ineptitude of our staff handling the negotiations rather than being in the Championship. Harry Maguire played one season in the Prem, got relegated and Leicester paid a fee of up to 17m for him. Pickford was keeper for a disastrous Sunderland team and Everton paid 30m for him. Shaqiri should be commanding a fee of 30m plus. He's only 26, he's now got 3 seasons under his belt in the Prem and he'll be playing in a World Cup in the summer. Butland is English so that adds a big premium. We shouldn't accept less than 30m for him. If it's true that we turned down 25m for Allen then we should be prepared to sell him for 20-25m as he'll be itching for a move in the summer. You're living in a dreamworld if you think Shaq, who has never performed better in a season than Arnie, is worth 30m. As for the others, if they hand in transfer requests we'll have to sell cheap. Allan is never worth 25m.
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Post by thegift on Feb 19, 2018 12:29:03 GMT
It may be that we don't get much for these three but that will solely be down to the ineptitude of our staff handling the negotiations rather than being in the Championship. Harry Maguire played one season in the Prem, got relegated and Leicester paid a fee of up to 17m for him. Pickford was keeper for a disastrous Sunderland team and Everton paid 30m for him. Shaqiri should be commanding a fee of 30m plus. He's only 26, he's now got 3 seasons under his belt in the Prem and he'll be playing in a World Cup in the summer. Butland is English so that adds a big premium. We shouldn't accept less than 30m for him. If it's true that we turned down 25m for Allen then we should be prepared to sell him for 20-25m as he'll be itching for a move in the summer. You're living in a dreamworld if you think Shaq, who has never performed better in a season than Arnie, is worth 30m. As for the others, if they hand in transfer requests we'll have to sell cheap. Allan is never worth 25m. Shaq should be £30-40M in todays market.
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Post by stokiejoeofalsager on Feb 19, 2018 12:37:15 GMT
Let keep us up. Out Muniesa Haugaard Johnson wimmer Adam Fletcher Afellay crouchy Berahino Ireland Tymon. Keep, purchase, loan again , Beg ,get match fit. Grant Butland Edwards Bauer Shawcross Cameron Zouma Bruno Pieters stafylidis Allen Badou imbula Bojan Shaqiri Diouf choupo jese sobhi Campbell needed 3rd GK DM,striker CB. Tymon out? Why?
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Post by thegift on Feb 19, 2018 12:50:34 GMT
Let keep us up. Out Muniesa Haugaard Johnson wimmer Adam Fletcher Afellay crouchy Berahino Ireland Tymon. Keep, purchase, loan again , Beg ,get match fit. Grant Butland Edwards Bauer Shawcross Cameron Zouma Bruno Pieters stafylidis Allen Badou imbula Bojan Shaqiri Diouf choupo jese sobhi Campbell needed 3rd GK DM,striker CB. Tymon out? Why? Because he's wank?
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Post by stokiejoeofalsager on Feb 19, 2018 12:51:53 GMT
He’s a youth player. It’s like saying get rid of Souttar 😂
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Post by thegift on Feb 19, 2018 12:54:27 GMT
He’s a youth player. It’s like saying get rid of Souttar 😂 Youth player's don't get into the first team and get torn to shreds. Not good enough and not experienced enough is the truthful and honest answer.
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Post by tony1234 on Feb 20, 2018 0:05:29 GMT
The issue Stoke face is that the average TV income from 2017 for a PL club is £125m In the Championship, without parachute payments its £4m-£5m Of course your sponsorship deals shrink too etc So as soon as we hit the Championship, just as much as we need to be competitive, we will need to have one eye on our existence - insuring that we don't reach the end of the parachute period with a 100m gap between income and outgoings! So if those three go, and we get 100m (which I doubt we will with the doddering imbeciles who run the commercial negotiations ) its only largely covered that gap.* With a wage bill in 2016-17 of 92m, the squad will need a restructure. To give some sort of context, Derby's wage bill is considered to be about 26m (and Burton's 4m, but let's not go there!) *I'd predict we'd get 20-25m for Butland, 20m for Shaq and 15m for Allen. People see us coming now When actually what needs to happen more is we get rid of these from our wage bill Imbula (4m), Fletcher (4m), Beharinho (4m) and Wimmer (4m) £25m for Butland and £20m for Shaqiri ahah ok mate. I do get your reaction! As a mad old aunt used to say, 'hope for the best, prepare for the worst'. I wouldn't be 'shocked' if Butland only got 10m, or (with 2 great games in the WC) he is the new Banks worth 30m, given we are in a world where Walker, and Sigurdson are worth 50m... Much will depend on whether managers of moneyed clubs fancy these players enough to enter an auction.
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