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Post by Davef on Mar 8, 2018 15:08:13 GMT
What the flying fuck has Mark Hughes got to do with it? If it wasn't mark Hughes selling him, you'd of said he was our best defender. But because you have a secret love for sparky because of them three 9th places finishes, you think huth's time was up. Very very few on here thought Huth was finished, you have just decided that to suit your own agenda. Huth was a fantastic defender and our best defender at the time. You're talking absolute shit. |
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Post by chayzenbacon on Mar 8, 2018 15:25:27 GMT
He seems to have been well thought of at Cologne. Pretty much 3 seasons of decent displays there, and their fans rated him. Same at Spurs really, although it was a small sample size and Pochettino obviously wasn't that impressed. He can't be as bad as we've seen, but maybe he could be moved back to Germany with a massive loss. Not easy when he's got 4 and a half years left on £3m+-a-year though. Perhaps he's suffering from the same syndrome as Dave Kitson. Is there a german language version of the secret footballer? "Der heimliche Fußballer". |
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Post by drfootball on Mar 8, 2018 15:34:44 GMT
I really don’t think it’s his fitness. He’s just not a good football player. I believe he won an Austrian TV reality game show called 'Fussballer vor Ein Tag' |
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Post by Mendicant on Mar 8, 2018 15:34:59 GMT
Isn't there some kind of recycling scheme we could make use of? I often take my old shit and cast offs down the YMCA. Young man! There's no need to be fat, I said Young man! You're an overpriced twat, And I'm sure you will find Junction 15 of the M6 And say goodbye to the SCFC! It's fun to stay at the SCFC, You can hug your Spurs mates, You can upload the pics, You can do whatever you feel. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 8, 2018 16:16:57 GMT
I did, and I am  . LG - He got a winners medal from the premier league didn't he? Pretty sure his best days were not behind him. No but no-one, on here or otherwise, could possibly have predicted that. As much as I loved Huth I thought he'd gone and there was also a problem between him and Hughes so it wasn't any great surprise when he was sold. With hindsight, bearing in mind the problems we then had at centre half, it perhaps wasn't a great move, but at the time it seemed like it was the right time for him to move on. And I am a knowall arsehole  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2018 16:21:28 GMT
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Post by thegift on Mar 8, 2018 16:23:10 GMT
LG - He got a winners medal from the premier league didn't he? Pretty sure his best days were not behind him. No but no-one, on here or otherwise, could possibly have predicted that. As much as I loved Huth I thought he'd gone and there was also a problem between him and Hughes so it wasn't any great surprise when he was sold. With hindsight, bearing in mind the problems we then had at centre half, it perhaps wasn't a great move, but at the time it seemed like it was the right time for him to move on. And I am a knowall arsehole Which is the exact problem. Hughes had fell out with Huth, therefore sold him, based on having an issue and not on his ability. Sad really. |
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Post by Davef on Mar 8, 2018 16:36:08 GMT
No but no-one, on here or otherwise, could possibly have predicted that. As much as I loved Huth I thought he'd gone and there was also a problem between him and Hughes so it wasn't any great surprise when he was sold. With hindsight, bearing in mind the problems we then had at centre half, it perhaps wasn't a great move, but at the time it seemed like it was the right time for him to move on. And I am a knowall arsehole Which is the exact problem. Hughes had fell out with Huth, therefore sold him, based on having an issue and not on his ability. Sad really. More bullshit. When and what exactly did Huth and Hughes fall out over? Come on, let's have the gory details, you obviously know them. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 8, 2018 16:37:26 GMT
No but no-one, on here or otherwise, could possibly have predicted that. As much as I loved Huth I thought he'd gone and there was also a problem between him and Hughes so it wasn't any great surprise when he was sold. With hindsight, bearing in mind the problems we then had at centre half, it perhaps wasn't a great move, but at the time it seemed like it was the right time for him to move on. And I am a knowall arsehole Which is the exact problem. Hughes had fell out with Huth, therefore sold him, based on having an issue and not on his ability. Sad really. I was told at the time Huthy was a bit of a loose canon in the dressing room at the time and the 'cock no cock' saga was the tipping point. I assumed Hughes was threatened by him as he was a 'big character' but I don't know that for a fact. |
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Post by thegift on Mar 8, 2018 16:43:11 GMT
Which is the exact problem. Hughes had fell out with Huth, therefore sold him, based on having an issue and not on his ability. Sad really. More bullshit. When and what exactly did Huth and Hughes fall out over? Come on, let's have the gory details, you obviously know them. Don't shoot the messenger, David. It does make sense considering he was our best defender at the time, doesn't it? |
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Post by StokeTudoGuy on Mar 8, 2018 16:46:40 GMT
Wimmer is a luxury we cant afford right now.... A ball playing defender with a low defensive contribution.
He would shine if we were a blisteringly quick counter attacking side and we could see the benefit of his long passing ability to get the ball far forward from deep. As it is though, he is just a low defensive contribution CB in a team only just recovering some semblence of defensive shape.
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Post by thegift on Mar 8, 2018 16:52:27 GMT
Wimmer is a luxury we cant afford right now.... A ball playing defender with a low defensive contribution. He would shine if we were a blisteringly quick counter attacking side and we could see the benefit of his long passing ability to get the ball far forward from deep. As it is though, he is just a low defensive contribution CB in a team only just recovering some semblence of defensive shape. I get your point, but he certainly is no luxury. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 8, 2018 16:55:10 GMT
More bullshit. When and what exactly did Huth and Hughes fall out over? Come on, let's have the gory details, you obviously know them. Don't shoot the messenger, David. It does make sense considering he was our best defender at the time, doesn't it? He was far from our best defender at the time though mate. He'd been out injured for months and in his one game back for us against Wrexham he was atrocious. It certainly didn't seem like a bad idea to me at the time to let him go on loan. The fact that we then sold him at the end of his loan in which he'd done quite well made me think there was something in the rumour of the fallout I'd been told. |
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Post by thegift on Mar 8, 2018 16:57:12 GMT
Don't shoot the messenger, David. It does make sense considering he was our best defender at the time, doesn't it? He was far from our best defender at the time though mate. He'd been out injured for months and in his one game back for us against Wrexham he was atrocious. It certainly didn't seem like a bad idea to me at the time to let him go on loan. The fact that we then sold him at the end of his loan in which he'd done quite well made me think there was something in the rumour of the fallout I'd been told. I had also heard of a fall out, although i couldn't be sure, it does tie in with why he was sold. He wasn't great on his first game back, i remember it well, however he still performed better than wimmer or Wolly ever has. |
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Post by mrcoke on Mar 8, 2018 17:05:50 GMT
To return to the thread title:
Wimmer has been a a huge disappointment and does not deserve getting near the match day team. Nevertheless we need to realise he was an Austrian international at junior level and Spurs would not have bought him if he was not very good. He was voted one of the top ten defenders in the Bundesliga.
He has clearly not performed in England and his form has gone to the dogs not playing regular competitive matches at a high level. It is always possible though that he may be coached back to his Bundesliga standard.
Whether that is good enough and whether indeed it happens only time will tell, but I would not hold my breath, there are 1000s of footballers who show great promise and potential, but never consistently produce it at the top level. Quite a few have come to Stoke during Hughes tenure, whether he personally is to blame is another matter, but I'm sure he could have vetoed a signing. The club did turn Arni into a Prem class player, which I don't think he was when he arrived, and Shaq is now showing some top class form. Maybe the club can still salvage careers at the top level for the likes of Berahino, Imbula, or Bojan; just 1 out of 4 would at least redress some of the wasted investment. (I appreciate Bojan cost little.)
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Post by jimmygscfc on Mar 8, 2018 17:13:35 GMT
He was far from our best defender at the time though mate. He'd been out injured for months and in his one game back for us against Wrexham he was atrocious. It certainly didn't seem like a bad idea to me at the time to let him go on loan. The fact that we then sold him at the end of his loan in which he'd done quite well made me think there was something in the rumour of the fallout I'd been told. I had also heard of a fall out, although i couldn't be sure, it does tie in with why he was sold. He wasn't great on his first game back, i remember it well, however he still performed better than wimmer or Wolly ever has. Gifty, are you saying Huth's performance against Wrexham was better than anything served up by Wolly? You're making stuff up as you go along really lad |
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Post by StokeTudoGuy on Mar 8, 2018 17:14:48 GMT
Wimmer is a luxury we cant afford right now.... A ball playing defender with a low defensive contribution. He would shine if we were a blisteringly quick counter attacking side and we could see the benefit of his long passing ability to get the ball far forward from deep. As it is though, he is just a low defensive contribution CB in a team only just recovering some semblence of defensive shape. I get your point, but he certainly is no luxury. 😂😂😂 I obviously got carried away with my praise. |
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Post by thegift on Mar 8, 2018 17:24:56 GMT
I had also heard of a fall out, although i couldn't be sure, it does tie in with why he was sold. He wasn't great on his first game back, i remember it well, however he still performed better than wimmer or Wolly ever has. Gifty, are you saying Huth's performance against Wrexham was better than anything served up by Wolly? You're making stuff up as you go along really lad |
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Post by Davef on Mar 8, 2018 17:25:48 GMT
More bullshit. When and what exactly did Huth and Hughes fall out over? Come on, let's have the gory details, you obviously know them. Don't shoot the messenger, David. It does make sense considering he was our best defender at the time, doesn't it? You're full of it. |
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Post by chayzenbacon on Mar 8, 2018 18:25:09 GMT
Wimmer is a luxury we cant afford right now.... A ball playing defender with a low defensive contribution. He would shine if we were a blisteringly quick counter attacking side and we could see the benefit of his long passing ability to get the ball far forward from deep. As it is though, he is just a low defensive contributAre we talking about the same Kevin ion CB in a team only just recovering some semblence of defensive shape. "ball playing" and "long passing ability"? I can't say I've seen any evidence of that, are we talking about the same Kevin Wimmer? I've seen plenty of evidence of the "low defensive contribution" though. |
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Mar 8, 2018 18:43:50 GMT
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Post by harrysburrow on Mar 8, 2018 20:16:34 GMT
Pussy.
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Post by roylandstoke on Mar 8, 2018 20:20:44 GMT
Read the article again instead of just slating him. It says that he is not overweight. He's just not match fit. I wonder if he can play centre forward? More chance of him playing darts, |
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Post by Veritas on Mar 8, 2018 20:23:11 GMT
Not the first transfer mistake we have made and won't be the last, I think it is best if people stop obsessing over him and focus on those likely to be playing in the team.
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Post by roylandstoke on Mar 8, 2018 20:31:07 GMT
He seems to have been well thought of at Cologne. Pretty much 3 seasons of decent displays there, and their fans rated him. Same at Spurs really, although it was a small sample size and Pochettino obviously wasn't that impressed. He can't be as bad as we've seen, but maybe he could be moved back to Germany with a massive loss. Not easy when he's got 4 and a half years left on £3m+-a-year though. Perhaps he's suffering from the same syndrome as Dave Kitson. Is there a german language version of the secret footballer? "Der heimliche Fußballer". I'm not having that. Kitson was clearly not a successful signing but he did at least seem to be trying. He also kept himself fit. Wimmer hasn't done either of the basic things every professional sportsman should do |
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Post by StokeTudoGuy on Mar 8, 2018 20:35:37 GMT
Wimmer is a luxury we cant afford right now.... A ball playing defender with a low defensive contribution. He would shine if we were a blisteringly quick counter attacking side and we could see the benefit of his long passing ability to get the ball far forward from deep. As it is though, he is just a low defensive contributAre we talking about the same Kevin ion CB in a team only just recovering some semblence of defensive shape. "ball playing" and "long passing ability"? I can't say I've seen any evidence of that, are we talking about the same Kevin Wimmer? I've seen plenty of evidence of the "low defensive contribution" though. You might want to watch him closer and check his stats. He averages over 10 successful passes a game more than any other CB at our club and his successful long range passes per game are as near as damned it almost as many as Bruno and Zouma combined. |
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Post by chayzenbacon on Mar 8, 2018 20:52:54 GMT
"ball playing" and "long passing ability"? I can't say I've seen any evidence of that, are we talking about the same Kevin Wimmer? I've seen plenty of evidence of the "low defensive contribution" though. You might want to watch him closer and check his stats. He averages over 10 successful passes a game more than any other CB at our club and his successful long range passes per game are as near as damned it almost as many as Bruno and Zouma combined. I'll take your word for it. To be honest I hope that none of us at Stoke will have the opportunity to watch him closer. |
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Post by chayzenbacon on Mar 8, 2018 20:53:45 GMT
Perhaps he's suffering from the same syndrome as Dave Kitson. Is there a german language version of the secret footballer? "Der heimliche Fußballer". I'm not having that. Kitson was clearly not a successful signing but he did at least seem to be trying. He also kept himself fit. Wimmer hasn't done either of the basic things every professional sportsman should do You're "not having" my tongue in cheek comment? Woe is me. |
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Post by RAF on Mar 9, 2018 6:53:05 GMT
My cats need a new scratching post.
In fact their last scratching post was more mobile than Wimmer come to think of it.
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