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Post by Seymour Beaver on Feb 4, 2018 22:04:44 GMT
Is it safe to assume the likes of Wimmer, Saudi, Imbula etc Al have all got relegation clauses in their contracts? Or is it not safe to assume anything so far as The Pizza Boys are concerned? It is largely irrelevant whether they have relegation clauses in their contracts. We'd be happy to move them on whether or not we are relegated. We simply won't find any other clubs who willing to pay their wages let alone pay us money to sign them. They are a £50 million millstone around the club's neck for the forseeable future methinks. I was referring to relegation clauses associated with their wages - ie dropping Wimmer down from £50k per week (or whatever he is on) down to something closer to the Championship average wage.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Feb 4, 2018 22:08:58 GMT
If we go down there will be 4 things that will go down in Stoke City Folklore: 1. Coates and his "what’s all the fuss about" statement in late October 2. The signings of Imbula, Berahino and Wimmer for £50m 3, Not sacking Hughes at the end of last season when it was clear he was going to take us into a relegation fight. They have all contributed massively to our current plight. thats 3. Wheres the 4th? The 4th is a serious shortage of calculators in Stoke on Trent.
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Post by numpty40 on Feb 4, 2018 22:41:19 GMT
Spurs and Austria fans will tell you he's a decent defender and I think he's shown why they thought that in spurts here. But the bloke is clearly massively overweight. He's got a double chin ffs. We have to get him to a fighting weight and then judge him from there. In the meantime he needs game time either in practice games or for the 23s. I'd love to see a bit of evidence for myself that he's a decent defender, sadly though in the games I've seen him play for Stoke the opposite is true. I'm really hoping to be proved wrong and that he'll come back match fit and slimmer and look like a half decent defender but I honestly believe that will never happen.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2018 22:44:58 GMT
Who gives a shit, we'll worry about it in the summer......
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Post by malteser68 on Feb 4, 2018 22:51:03 GMT
If we go down there will be 4 things that will go down in Stoke City Folklore: 1. Coates and his "what’s all the fuss about" statement in late October 2. The signings of Imbula, Berahino and Wimmer for £50m 3, Not sacking Hughes at the end of last season when it was clear he was going to take us into a relegation fight. They have all contributed massively to our current plight. What's the fourth?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 4, 2018 22:56:37 GMT
Just to clarify he's not our record signing, the other waste is
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Feb 4, 2018 23:00:46 GMT
Spurs and Austria fans will tell you he's a decent defender and I think he's shown why they thought that in spurts here. But the bloke is clearly massively overweight. He's got a double chin ffs. We have to get him to a fighting weight and then judge him from there. In the meantime he needs game time either in practice games or for the 23s. I'd love to see a bit of evidence for myself that he's a decent defender, sadly though in the games I've seen him play for Stoke the opposite is true. I'm really hoping to be proved wrong and that he'll come back match fit and slimmer and look like a half decent defender but I honestly believe that will never happen. He'd have fitted nicely into the Spurs defence for Salah's 2nd goal!
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Post by roylandstoke on Feb 4, 2018 23:16:15 GMT
Put him on a diet and insist that he trains at least twice a day 6 days a week until he is as fit as the average 4th tier footballer. That should take him up till next Christmas, at that point we could try to assess whether or not he has any ability to play football and take things from there.
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Post by Gods on Feb 4, 2018 23:16:34 GMT
Spurs and Austria fans will tell you he's a decent defender and I think he's shown why they thought that in spurts here. But the bloke is clearly massively overweight. He's got a double chin ffs. We have to get him to a fighting weight and then judge him from there. In the meantime he needs game time either in practice games or for the 23s. He played fewer than 10 hours football for Spurs over 2 years so I don't know how Spurs fans would have any idea whether he is any good or not, which, by the way, he isn't!
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Post by callas12 on Feb 4, 2018 23:40:43 GMT
£18mil was always a staggering amount for a player Spurs were happy to get off their books & a player who never cemented a place in their 1st eleven. Especially when Leicester only spent £12mil potentially rising to £17mil for Harry Maguire, a guy whose been playing regular club football! Whoever sanctioned & signed off this deal need some serious questions being asked of them.
Something serious went on behind the scenes during the summer at Stoke I'm sure of it. Did Hughes select Wimmer as a signing or was it a signing thrust upon him? Was Arnie' s head turned or had he clearly got wind of how things were going downhill & plotted his own escape route? Who made the decision to keep Hughes in post despite poor form & results in previous 12mths?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2018 23:47:44 GMT
Put him in an organised team with a clear plan? Or just continue to hurl abuse? You never know. If/when he loses his puppy fat with this extra training (about 1 to 1.5 stone) he might actually be a decent defender He'd struggle even more without it. Trim or Bulk he has no pace to lose, he'd just get shoved off the ball easier/in the air. Someone needs sacking 10 times over this signing. He's Woodgate Vs Wolves levels of competency, many on here could do a better job than him. And before people start with the usual 'get behind the lad' 'stoke fans ripping stoke players - it's disgusting' It's a fair criticism to call shit when you see shit.
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Post by callas12 on Feb 5, 2018 0:00:34 GMT
You never know. If/when he loses his puppy fat with this extra training (about 1 to 1.5 stone) he might actually be a decent defender He'd struggle even more without it. Trim or Bulk he has no pace to lose, he'd just get shoved off the ball easier/in the air. Someone needs sacking 10 times over this signing. He's Woodgate Vs Wolves levels of competency, many on here could do a better job than him. And before people start with the usual 'get behind the lad' 'stoke fans ripping stoke players - it's disgusting' It's a fair criticism to call shit when you see shit. Especially considering the wages I bet he's taking home every week! A Premier League & International footballer should have a very good level of fitness as a basic & minimum requirement.. I bet theres non league part time players out there who are fitter than Wimmer right now & they'll have proper day jobs earning their main income..
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Post by jezzascfc on Feb 5, 2018 0:15:47 GMT
If we go down there will be 4 things that will go down in Stoke City Folklore: 1. Coates and his "what’s all the fuss about" statement in late October 2. The signings of Imbula, Berahino and Wimmer for £50m 3, Not sacking Hughes at the end of last season when it was clear he was going to take us into a relegation fight. They have all contributed massively to our current plight. What's the fourth? 4. Surely the hugely embarrassing "ambition" video signalling the signing of Jese?
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Post by tinofspam on Feb 5, 2018 0:33:41 GMT
As much as I don't rate him, he played confusingly well in the LB position when put there
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Feb 5, 2018 0:40:42 GMT
Sell him back to Spurs for £20M Do you seriously think Spurs would be as dumb as Stoke???
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Post by numpty40 on Feb 5, 2018 0:45:24 GMT
You never know. If/when he loses his puppy fat with this extra training (about 1 to 1.5 stone) he might actually be a decent defender He'd struggle even more without it. Trim or Bulk he has no pace to lose, he'd just get shoved off the ball easier/in the air.Someone needs sacking 10 times over this signing. He's Woodgate Vs Wolves levels of competency, many on here could do a better job than him. And before people start with the usual 'get behind the lad' 'stoke fans ripping stoke players - it's disgusting' It's a fair criticism to call shit when you see shit. Maybe if he shed a little weight he'd be in a position to actually jump to win a header, I live in hope.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 5, 2018 2:12:32 GMT
He'd struggle even more without it. Trim or Bulk he has no pace to lose, he'd just get shoved off the ball easier/in the air.Someone needs sacking 10 times over this signing. He's Woodgate Vs Wolves levels of competency, many on here could do a better job than him. And before people start with the usual 'get behind the lad' 'stoke fans ripping stoke players - it's disgusting' It's a fair criticism to call shit when you see shit. Maybe if he shed a little weight he'd be in a position to actually jump to win a header, I live in hope. He looks too scared when he's going for a header, I don't see that changing any time soon.
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Post by potterglen on Feb 5, 2018 6:43:15 GMT
How about loaning him out to Boro? Love or hate Poolis he’s as good as anyone for making a silk purse out of a sows ear, if anyone can mould Wimmer into a semblance of a defender, Poolis will. Coates/Scholes should also write a note to each other along the lines of ‘Never do bizniss wiv Spurs, dah Norf Landan pickpockets’.
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Post by malteser68 on Feb 5, 2018 6:54:47 GMT
How about loaning him out to Boro? Love or hate Poolis he’s as good as anyone for making a silk purse out of a sows ear, if anyone can mould Wimmer into a semblance of a defender, Poolis will. Coates/Scholes should also write a note to each other along the lines of ‘Never do bizniss with Spurs, dah Norf Landan pickpockets’. Excellent idea
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Post by lawrieleslie on Feb 5, 2018 7:14:47 GMT
Looking at his match stats, Spurs paid £4.5m for him but amazingly two seasons and 31 games later he’s apparently worth 4 times that fee? Fine if he’s been a regular for Spurs and ripping up the turf but he hardly featured apart from covering for injured players.
Here’s what Hughes apparently said after we had signed him....."Bringing Kevin here is a real coup in my view, because he is a hugely talented young player who will undoubtedly add further quality to the group...There is a lot of money being spent this summer, so for us to get a player of Kevin’s calibre through the door for the price we have paid, in my opinion, is something we will really appreciate for years to come" Unfuckingbelievable.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2018 8:47:59 GMT
Sell him back to Spurs for £20M We'll be lucky to get £20.
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Post by Staying up for Grandadstokey on Feb 5, 2018 9:26:23 GMT
£18mil was always a staggering amount for a player Spurs were happy to get off their books & a player who never cemented a place in their 1st eleven. Especially when Leicester only spent £12mil potentially rising to £17mil for Harry Maguire, a guy whose been playing regular club football! Whoever sanctioned & signed off this deal need some serious questions being asked of them. Something serious went on behind the scenes during the summer at Stoke I'm sure of it. Did Hughes select Wimmer as a signing or was it a signing thrust upon him? Was Arnie' s head turned or had he clearly got wind of how things were going downhill & plotted his own escape route? Who made the decision to keep Hughes in post despite poor form & results in previous 12mths? One word sums up the reason for Stoke's current plight. Complacency. With regard to Wimmer its a disgrace that a professional footballer at any level can allow himself to become so overweight/unfit, regardless of whether he has some latent ability.
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Post by cousindupree on Feb 5, 2018 11:17:34 GMT
Spurs and Austria fans will tell you he's a decent defender and I think he's shown why they thought that in spurts here. But the bloke is clearly massively overweight. He's got a double chin ffs. We have to get him to a fighting weight and then judge him from there. In the meantime he needs game time either in practice games or for the 23s. He played fewer than 10 hours football for Spurs over 2 years so I don't know how Spurs fans would have any idea whether he is any good or not, which, by the way, he isn't! Also he has rarely played for a shite Austrian team so not sure how you think the Austrian fans think he is decent. How on earth can a defender who can't get into the Austrian national team be worth 18m??? Bauer is becoming a first choice in their defence and we paid how much? Probably a third of the Wimmer fee. Our due diligence on this player clearly didn't extend beyond the fact that he was available and was on Spurs books. It's a shocking bit of business to waste 18m!!! That makes it staggering that that heads haven't rolled at a high level in the recruitment team. They have probably blamed it all on Hughes. I guess it's lucky for Carto that he is good friends with JC.
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Post by ohbottom on Feb 5, 2018 11:30:55 GMT
Render him down for glue?
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Post by GeneralFaye on Feb 5, 2018 11:34:03 GMT
Spurs and Austria fans will tell you he's a decent defender and I think he's shown why they thought that in spurts here. But the bloke is clearly massively overweight. He's got a double chin ffs. We have to get him to a fighting weight and then judge him from there. In the meantime he needs game time either in practice games or for the 23s. Bayern, I said in the days before we even signed him he was overweight. At Spurs he looked a tub of lard and things haven't changed so maybe he'll never get "fit" if that's the case because Spurs train double sessions don't they? never wanted him and I've unfortunately been proven right.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Feb 5, 2018 11:34:35 GMT
Spurs and Austria fans will tell you he's a decent defender and I think he's shown why they thought that in spurts here. But the bloke is clearly massively overweight. He's got a double chin ffs. We have to get him to a fighting weight and then judge him from there. In the meantime he needs game time either in practice games or for the 23s. Nah, even if hes fat he should be able to head a ball straight. Hes got a 50pence head amongst many other issues. If Spurs and Austria fans rate him then why did he hardly ever play for both of them? 15 games for Spurs and 8 games for Austria TOTAL. Not exactly a mainstay. Hes played more Stoke City in half a season that he ever has for those 2 teams. And now he cant make the matchday squad in a relegation threatened team. I doubt Spurs fans would want him back Bayern But yeah you like be contrary
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Post by thegift on Feb 5, 2018 11:35:35 GMT
Get him off the wage bill. Just get rid.
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Post by hanibal7 on Feb 5, 2018 11:43:19 GMT
Wimmer, imbula, berahino are unsellable so I would play them next season in the championship. Muniesa and Bojan, their wages and contract????? You never know, a couple of them may come good, but the games cone thick and fast in that league so we need a big squad
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 5, 2018 12:04:55 GMT
Spurs and Austria fans will tell you he's a decent defender and I think he's shown why they thought that in spurts here. But the bloke is clearly massively overweight. He's got a double chin ffs. We have to get him to a fighting weight and then judge him from there. In the meantime he needs game time either in practice games or for the 23s. Nah, even if hes fat he should be able to head a ball straight. Hes got a 50pence head amongst many other issues. If Spurs and Austria fans rate him then why did he hardly ever play for both of them? 15 games for Spurs and 8 games for Austria TOTAL. Not exactly a mainstay. Hes played more Stoke City in half a season that he ever has for those 2 teams. And now he cant make the matchday squad in a relegation threatened team. I doubt Spurs fans would want him back Bayern But yeah you like be contrary I haven't said they'd want him back but there's clearly a decent defender in there. I've said that from the off. But I also said that we didn't need him. But now he's here we've got to get him fit and go from there.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 5, 2018 12:14:42 GMT
Get him off the wage bill. Just get rid. The trouble is the only way you get a player who isn't worth the money on his contract is by subsidising his wages to whichever club makes a loan or small permanent offer for him - or you pay up his contract and release him - either way our finances take a big hit.
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