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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 3, 2018 20:39:10 GMT
I remember now why I seldom come on here on a Saturday night. Watching in isolation on my TV I thought it was an encouraging performance (with Badou excelling in his first start) but disappointing result. Yes I was mystified by starting Crouch, yes the subs should have been made sooner and no he should not have stuck a left back in central midfield.....but FFS some of the criticism on here is totally unfounded. Lambert is struggling to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. Between Hughes, the board and the recruitment team, he has been left in a very difficult position. Looking at our position objectively, I do suspect that we will go down, but Lambert has given us hope where there was pretty much none left under Les. We will at least fight to the death now, to the very last minute of the very last game. He has shaken us up and got the team going in the right direction again. That first half today was light years ahead of anything Hughes got us playing in the last 18 months. If we do go down, the owners need to take a long hard look in the mirror as to the major reason why. Which is all fair enough but does it not worry you that our new manager has arrived and failed to identify a single striker that he might want to bring in to help us, has inexplicably excluded BMI from the match day squad after he was our best player at manure, has already reverted to crouch up front and has played a left back in central midfield? These are not the actions of a manager who has done his research, knows our squad and has a clear idea of how to improve things. He's also let our key midfield arrival be photographed signing with our CEO rather than himself. My biggest fear was that we'd got a cheap patsy for the pizza boys and to me at least, that seems exactly what we've got.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 3, 2018 20:41:30 GMT
I remember now why I seldom come on here on a Saturday night. Watching in isolation on my TV I thought it was an encouraging performance (with Badou excelling in his first start) but disappointing result. Yes I was mystified by starting Crouch, yes the subs should have been made sooner and no he should not have stuck a left back in central midfield.....but FFS some of the criticism on here is totally unfounded. Lambert is struggling to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. Between Hughes, the board and the recruitment team, he has been left in a very difficult position. Looking at our position objectively, I do suspect that we will go down, but Lambert has given us hope where there was pretty much none left under Les. We will at least fight to the death now, to the very last minute of the very last game. He has shaken us up and got the team going in the right direction again. That first half today was light years ahead of anything Hughes got us playing in the last 18 months. If we do go down, the owners need to take a long hard look in the mirror as to the major reason why. Which is all fair enough but does it not worry you that our new manager has arrived and failed to identify a single striker that he might want to bring in to help us, has inexplicably excluded BMI from the match day squad after he was our best player at manure, has already reverted to crouch up front and has played a left back in central midfield? These are not the actions of a manager who has done his research, knows our squad and has a clear idea of how to improve things. He's also let our key midfield arrival be photographed signing with our CEO rather than himself. My biggest fear was that we'd got a cheap patsy for the pizza boys and to me at least, that seems exactly what we've got. Isn't BMI ill?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 3, 2018 20:46:14 GMT
Which is all fair enough but does it not worry you that our new manager has arrived and failed to identify a single striker that he might want to bring in to help us, has inexplicably excluded BMI from the match day squad after he was our best player at manure, has already reverted to crouch up front and has played a left back in central midfield? These are not the actions of a manager who has done his research, knows our squad and has a clear idea of how to improve things. He's also let our key midfield arrival be photographed signing with our CEO rather than himself. My biggest fear was that we'd got a cheap patsy for the pizza boys and to me at least, that seems exactly what we've got. Isn't BMI ill? For 3 weeks?
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Post by SneydGreenStokie on Feb 3, 2018 20:47:21 GMT
Christ on a bike Give Lambert a chance Agreed the subs were late, but he’s been here a little over 3 weeks and is learning about the players Not his fault the players lack fitness I appreciate time is short COYMP!!! The bloke will get a chance. However, we are very poor and imo we deserve to be relegated. All of the teams also in trouble are fighting - bar WBA - and picking up wins, giving themselves,a chance, fighting. We bend over and get shafted. After 70 minutes, we were 1-0 up. Yet, we simply step aside, bend over allow Bournemouth - YES BOURNEMOUTH - a team devoid any positive characteristics, simply dominate us and turn us over. The way allowed them to win the game is embarrassing. We cant dig out a result. We just wilt and bend over. We have to visit Liverpool, Arsenal and host Spurs and Man City yet. We need 5 wins. Where are they coming from? We have what we have and its not enough. If we stay up, it will be because other teams bottle it. We have no balls, no fight, no desire. We are just very poor. Its heartbreaking. SGS
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 3, 2018 20:48:58 GMT
Wasn't he on the bench against Huddersfield? The likes of Ireland,Affelay and Wimmer seem to have disappeared also
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2018 20:49:28 GMT
I remember now why I seldom come on here on a Saturday night. Watching in isolation on my TV I thought it was an encouraging performance (with Badou excelling in his first start) but disappointing result. Yes I was mystified by starting Crouch, yes the subs should have been made sooner and no he should not have stuck a left back in central midfield.....but FFS some of the criticism on here is totally unfounded. Lambert is struggling to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. Between Hughes, the board and the recruitment team, he has been left in a very difficult position. Looking at our position objectively, I do suspect that we will go down, but Lambert has given us hope where there was pretty much none left under Les. We will at least fight to the death now, to the very last minute of the very last game. He has shaken us up and got the team going in the right direction again. That first half today was light years ahead of anything Hughes got us playing in the last 18 months. If we do go down, the owners need to take a long hard look in the mirror as to the major reason why. Which is all fair enough but does it not worry you that our new manager has arrived and failed to identify a single striker that he might want to bring in to help us, has inexplicably excluded BMI from the match day squad after he was our best player at manure, has already reverted to crouch up front and has played a left back in central midfield? These are not the actions of a manager who has done his research, knows our squad and has a clear idea of how to improve things. He's also let our key midfield arrival be photographed signing with our CEO rather than himself. My biggest fear was that we'd got a cheap patsy for the pizza boys and to me at least, that seems exactly what we've got. That kind of thing (CEO with new signings) has been going on for a while. Take a look back at every announcement and you'll see the CEO commenting on the official website before the manager. The CEO having the lions share of comments with the manager chipping in at the end. Lest we forget the sight of the CEO turning up at a Pre Season training camp dressed up in full training gear a few seasons ago, and at FC St Pauli in the summer. If we do have a patsy, we have merely replaced one with t'other.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Feb 3, 2018 20:50:37 GMT
Its hilarious how the comments changed from the first half to the second half, typical turnstile reaction on this board. Bunch of knicker wetters, did you really think it would be that easy or that things would turn around so quickly, we are going to lose more games that's a fact, but we also look a lot more organised and have a fighting chance now. We were abysmal in the second half and showed that the losing mentality still runs deep. Lambert took this job no doubt telling the board that he was the man to stop us being relegated. He is being and will be judged against that criteria - no ifs or buts. The performances we have now put in against 2 mid table (distinctly ordinary in fact) sides are telling us that the changes required are not happening yet. He has zero time to get this right it has to happen now. Those are the cold hard facts of the matter - turn it (very) quickly or he has failed. All true but you miss the point he will be here in August succeed or fail , make no mistake that was part of the attraction ! He will earn less but he will be here , so will scholes and Cartwright , but hundreds of others employed by the club won’t be
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Post by wuzza on Feb 3, 2018 20:58:25 GMT
We were abysmal in the second half and showed that the losing mentality still runs deep. Lambert took this job no doubt telling the board that he was the man to stop us being relegated. He is being and will be judged against that criteria - no ifs or buts. The performances we have now put in against 2 mid table (distinctly ordinary in fact) sides are telling us that the changes required are not happening yet. He has zero time to get this right it has to happen now. Those are the cold hard facts of the matter - turn it (very) quickly or he has failed. All true but you miss the point he will be here in August succeed or fail , make no mistake that was part of the attraction ! He will earn less but he will be here , so will scholes and Cartwright , but hundreds of others employed by the club won’t be This is true - in many ways he is in a personal ‘no lose’ situation.
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Post by cousindupree on Feb 3, 2018 20:59:14 GMT
Lambert's after match comments that he 'didn't know how we lost that'....is more than a bit worrying.
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Post by Dingdangdoo on Feb 3, 2018 21:07:17 GMT
Christ on a bike Give Lambert a chance Agreed the subs were late, but he’s been here a little over 3 weeks and is learning about the players Not his fault the players lack fitness I appreciate time is short COYMP!!! The bloke will get a chance. However, we are very poor and imo we deserve to be relegated. All of the teams also in trouble are fighting - bar WBA - and picking up wins, giving themselves,a chance, fighting. We bend over and get shafted. After 70 minutes, we were 1-0 up. Yet, we simply step aside, bend over allow Bournemouth - YES BOURNEMOUTH - a team devoid any positive characteristics, simply dominate us and turn us over. The way allowed them to win the game is embarrassing. We cant dig out a result. We just wilt and bend over. We have to visit Liverpool, Arsenal and host Spurs and Man City yet. We need 5 wins. Where are they coming from? We have what we have and its not enough. If we stay up, it will be because other teams bottle it. We have no balls, no fight, no desire. We are just very poor. Its heartbreaking. SGS We CAN do it!! We CAN!
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Post by pottermouth on Feb 3, 2018 21:30:52 GMT
Christ on a bike Give Lambert a chance Agreed the subs were late, but he’s been here a little over 3 weeks and is learning about the players Not his fault the players lack fitness I appreciate time is short COYMP!!! Today is very disappointing and it doesn’t look good for staying up. However, in Lambert I now support, even if we do go down. I accept now we might be relegated and will support the team whatever. It’s painful being a Potter’s fan!
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Post by Dingdangdoo on Feb 3, 2018 21:34:49 GMT
Christ on a bike Give Lambert a chance Agreed the subs were late, but he’s been here a little over 3 weeks and is learning about the players Not his fault the players lack fitness I appreciate time is short COYMP!!! Today is very disappointing and it doesn’t look good for staying up. However, in Lambert I now support, even if we do go down. I accept now we might be relegated and will support the team whatever. It’s painful being a Potter’s fan! Amen!
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Post by SneydGreenStokie on Feb 3, 2018 21:36:52 GMT
Christ on a bike Give Lambert a chance Agreed the subs were late, but he’s been here a little over 3 weeks and is learning about the players Not his fault the players lack fitness I appreciate time is short COYMP!!! Today is very disappointing and it doesn’t look good for staying up. However, in Lambert I now support, even if we do go down. I accept now we might be relegated and will support the team whatever. It’s painful being a Potter’s fan! But it should not have been this painful. We have well and truly messed this up and it is the fans - as usual - who suffer SGS
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Post by superheroantonius on Feb 3, 2018 21:42:08 GMT
Point 1) lambo is not to blame for the position we in. Our problems pre date him by at least 18 months
Point 2) he has identified the bleedin obvious, saying we are to slow to put a tackle in, lack intensity, and cant defend set pieces
I am totally convinced he is right in what he is saying and good luck to him in putting It right.
Give the man a chance!
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Feb 3, 2018 21:54:02 GMT
Check our results under Hughes at Bournemouth, then you can apologise as urs the graceful thing to do .😉 Stoke City vs Bournemouth ... played 28; won 13; drawn 7; lost 8. Best result 3-0 FA cup (Jan 03). Worst result: 4-0 defeat League 2 (Feb 99). If my maths is right: Goals for: 36 Goals conceded: 30. Clearly we are a far better team and should always beat them (or not). I'm just trying to say that losing against Bournemouth isn't the end of the world .... definitely annoying after such a positive start today ... and that there is still time for PL to fix our short term problems and keep us up. My point as it’s our worst result at Bournemouth in the premier league , not that losing tchampionship Bournemouth is anything other than expected , said all season there business in the last two,summers took them flying past us , eg Arter no,longer in the team two years on , crouch still leading ours 3 years on
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Post by crownmeking on Feb 3, 2018 22:25:37 GMT
Lambert is what he is, a 2nd or 3rd choice manager. The firing of Hughes and total balls up of recruiting his replacement is a joke.
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 3, 2018 22:31:24 GMT
Nobody can do anything under these owners and the shit show they've engineered. We've been overtaken by Bournemouth... fucking Bournemouth. No ambition, no know-how, no hope... clueless. Bournemouth who beat Chelsea away 3-0 last week? Exactly my point. We've been in the PL 10 years. Bournemouth have been in the PL 10 minutes yet have overtaken us despite only getting crowds of 12K. If you can't see what a terrible job the owners are doing then more fool you. The list of errors is as long as your arm.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 3, 2018 22:37:45 GMT
Such a shame that we lost today. Yes we were woeful for the last 20 but what came before was very promising.
When the team was selected I thought fair play he's addressed the weaknesses from Watford however the dropping of Dioufy was a 50/50 call but I can see why he did it because Crouchy holds it better.
A bad mistake and the woeful defending of a free kick and we lose.
Yes you could say there were mistakes with the timing of the substitions but the biggest problem we have is the lack of fitness and the fact we're playing catch up to get to an acceptable level that'll carry us through the full 90. Today he could have taken off most of our CM and forward 6 as they all looked burnt out.
We have better players than Bournemouth but they beat us because they're a fitter side.
This week is a big week to get us up to speed for Brighton then we have 2 weeks off to really push on.
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Post by musik on Feb 3, 2018 22:47:07 GMT
Hellu!
A win vs Brighton and we' ll be just fine.
For a while.
I haven't given up yet. But we might need a sensational win vs one of the top teams.
👍 parma pizza and pear://musik
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Feb 3, 2018 23:16:19 GMT
Which is all fair enough but does it not worry you that our new manager has arrived and failed to identify a single striker that he might want to bring in to help us, has inexplicably excluded BMI from the match day squad after he was our best player at manure, has already reverted to crouch up front and has played a left back in central midfield? These are not the actions of a manager who has done his research, knows our squad and has a clear idea of how to improve things. He's also let our key midfield arrival be photographed signing with our CEO rather than himself. My biggest fear was that we'd got a cheap patsy for the pizza boys and to me at least, that seems exactly what we've got. That kind of thing (CEO with new signings) has been going on for a while. Take a look back at every announcement and you'll see the CEO commenting on the official website before the manager. The CEO having the lions share of comments with the manager chipping in at the end. Lest we forget the sight of the CEO turning up at a Pre Season training camp dressed up in full training gear a few seasons ago, and at FC St Pauli in the summer. If we do have a patsy, we have merely replaced one with t'other. Tony scholes is like John Du Pont with his foxcatcher wrestling club. He is a disgrace and should be sacked instantly
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2018 23:22:11 GMT
There is a divide developing now between top/bottom half. We are still well in it with 9 other teams and sit 3 points off 11th. We should all be concerned but the drama queens on here are just laughable sometimes 3 games ago we were 3 points off 11th. 3 games later we are 3 points off 11th despite playing 3 games that we should have got 9 points from, at worse 6....you see where I'm going with this.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Feb 3, 2018 23:47:20 GMT
He is an experienced manager. He did not respond to their change in formation when they ended the first half very strong. Crouch was isolated and his knock downs were going to them every time as they just sat off and waited for them. AT half time it was crying our for Diouf up front. By 55 mins it was screaming for it
Does not matter if it is one game or three or thirty - he should be able to see what was happening
We don't have the time to give him and break or a chance as we need points
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 3, 2018 23:50:43 GMT
His coming onto the pitch to applaud the supporters routine didn't last very long either.
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Post by mickmacc on Feb 4, 2018 0:15:48 GMT
Such a shame that we lost today. Yes we were woeful for the last 20 but what came before was very promising. When the team was selected I thought fair play he's addressed the weaknesses from Watford however the dropping of Dioufy was a 50/50 call but I can see why he did it because Crouchy holds it better. A bad mistake and the woeful defending of a free kick and we lose. Yes you could say there were mistakes with the timing of the substitions but the biggest problem we have is the lack of fitness and the fact we're playing catch up to get to an acceptable level that'll carry us through the full 90. Today he could have taken off most of our CM and forward 6 as they all looked burnt out. We have better players than Bournemouth but they beat us because they're a fitter side. This week is a big week to get us up to speed for Brighton then we have 2 weeks off to really push on. Sensible post
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Post by brinsleymaclagan on Feb 4, 2018 0:16:18 GMT
I wasn't even at the match and I knew that Diouf should have replaced Crouch early in the second half just from listening to the commentary! We lost that game through sheer stupidity. Unfortunately Lambert seems to have made his mind up about certain players and doesn't seem prepared to give them a chance. Ireland looked capable of making an impact at Old Trafford, yet has now disappeared without trace, Ramadan, Bruno are not being allowed an opportunity, but now Johnson is back taking up a place on the bench! The substitutions are even more bizarre! On Wednesday we were overrun in midfield, so he took off a midfielder and brought on Crouch, today we were being overrun in midfield and he took off a midfielder and brought on a left-back! Is there some grotesque scheme or betting scam to ensure we are relegated? It seems we are doing our level best to go down!!
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Post by TexasPotter on Feb 4, 2018 1:29:06 GMT
You called him a useless jock cunt and a dumb jock bastard on the game thread. Embarrassing He is both, ever hear his interviews? He’s not a scholar and in fact his ability to let his players who were obviously exhausted (Crouch and Chupo ) finish a match versus fresh substitutes is the definition of dumb and useless as he used no subs until the 83rd minute. It’s not embarrassing, it’s the fucking truth! Can’t handle it? He has, “no clue how we lost today,” well fuck me that sounds about right cause you and everybody else rooting for Stoke today sat there for 15 fucking mins watching Bournemouth turn our side inside out and the “manager” changed fuckall until down 2-1 in the 83rd minute! You know what, he’s a closet Genius then you’re right Potter log. Shall I literally make a PowerPoint about substitutions and fitness after 65mins of press and submit it to Coates to be the next manager? Because if that’s the bar, well we’re in the shit because this guy can’t do the basics of man and game management either!
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 4, 2018 2:23:52 GMT
You called him a useless jock cunt and a dumb jock bastard on the game thread. Embarrassing He is both, ever hear his interviews? He’s not a scholar and in fact his ability to let his players who were obviously exhausted (Crouch and Chupo ) finish a match versus fresh substitutes is the definition of dumb and useless as he used no subs until the 83rd minute. It’s not embarrassing, it’s the fucking truth! Can’t handle it? He has, “no clue how we lost today,” well fuck me that sounds about right cause you and everybody else rooting for Stoke today sat there for 15 fucking mins watching Bournemouth turn our side inside out and the “manager” changed fuckall until down 2-1 in the 83rd minute! You know what, he’s a closet Genius then you’re right Potter log. Shall I literally make a PowerPoint about substitutions and fitness after 65mins of press and submit it to Coates to be the next manager? Because if that’s the bar, well we’re in the shit because this guy can’t do the basics of man and game management either! You called him a jock bastard and a jock cunt.
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Post by TexasPotter on Feb 4, 2018 2:37:57 GMT
He is both, ever hear his interviews? He’s not a scholar and in fact his ability to let his players who were obviously exhausted (Crouch and Chupo ) finish a match versus fresh substitutes is the definition of dumb and useless as he used no subs until the 83rd minute. It’s not embarrassing, it’s the fucking truth! Can’t handle it? He has, “no clue how we lost today,” well fuck me that sounds about right cause you and everybody else rooting for Stoke today sat there for 15 fucking mins watching Bournemouth turn our side inside out and the “manager” changed fuckall until down 2-1 in the 83rd minute! You know what, he’s a closet Genius then you’re right Potter log. Shall I literally make a PowerPoint about substitutions and fitness after 65mins of press and submit it to Coates to be the next manager? Because if that’s the bar, well we’re in the shit because this guy can’t do the basics of man and game management either! You called him a jock bastard and a jock cunt. Ohh Jesus your one of those. 🙄 I noticed you skipped the actual factuality of the statements seeing today’s mishandling of the match, actually I called him a “dumb Jock bastard.” Get it right!
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 4, 2018 2:53:51 GMT
You called him a jock bastard and a jock cunt. Ohh Jesus your one of those. 🙄 I noticed you skipped the actual factuality of the statements seeing today’s mishandling of the match, actually I called him a “dumb Jock bastard.” Get it right! Yes I am “one of those” who thinks that referring to our brand new manager as a dumb jock cunt after we’ve lost our first game under him is a bit pathetic and embarrassing. Sadly I think it’s probably a sign of the times. Anyway carry on
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Post by TexasPotter on Feb 4, 2018 2:57:59 GMT
Ohh Jesus your one of those. 🙄 I noticed you skipped the actual factuality of the statements seeing today’s mishandling of the match, actually I called him a “dumb Jock bastard.” Get it right! Yes I am “one of those” who thinks that referring to our brand new manager as a dumb jock cunt after we’ve lost our first game under him is a bit pathetic and embarrassing. Sadly I think it’s probably a sign of the times. Anyway carry on You’re right it is the sign of the times, anyone with PowerPoint and no fucking clue about subbing or managing players who they asked to press for 70 fucking mins can be a PL manager! Posters can also gargle their balls as if the manager is the pele of management in under three matches too! Keep trudging on you fucking pathetic diddler who accepts absolute fucking stupidity in front of your eyes. I bet you we’re a Hughes man until the end too 😂 I’m tired of fucking idiots at this club.
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