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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Feb 1, 2018 19:33:10 GMT
I think we’ll have to stick to the 4:3:3 for a time yet. The defence can stay as it is after two clean sheets, but we have to make changes in midfield. Fletcher is a spent force and Badou, assuming he’s fit, should start. Jo Allen has been carrying the midfield on his own recently do he’s a definite starter. That leaves us with the choice of the third midfielder. We need someone who can pick a pass in this position. Charlie is currently in place but he’s also lost much of his pace, and is most likely to get himself carded before long. Ireland??? Worth considering as he’s one of the few capable of playing a defence-splitting pass. Shaqiri as a central midfielder? Possible, but is it a role he’s used to? I still prefer him as the right-of-three forward with either Choupo or Sobhi on the other side. And for now, we seem to be stuck with Diouf as the central striker. I just wish he could ‘finish’. Didn’t he score against Huddesfield? Or was I dreaming? Messi wouldn’t finish very often in a team that doesn’t create many chances. DIOUF He works hard but is not a natural goalscorer, he needs far to many chances before he manages to put one away.
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Post by Theninjabadger on Feb 1, 2018 19:34:59 GMT
Didn’t he score against Huddesfield? Or was I dreaming? Messi wouldn’t finish very often in a team that doesn’t create many chances. DIOUF He works hard but is not a natural goalscorer, he needs far to many chances before he manages to put one away. He always gets in a position for these chances. We stand more of a chance of scoring when he’s on the pitch
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Feb 1, 2018 19:40:12 GMT
DIOUF He works hard but is not a natural goalscorer, he needs far to many chances before he manages to put one away. He always gets in a position for these chances. We stand more of a chance of scoring when he’s on the pitch Lol sorry but getting in to position doesn't mean he will score. He isn't good enough I am afraid.
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Post by Theninjabadger on Feb 1, 2018 19:43:19 GMT
He always gets in a position for these chances. We stand more of a chance of scoring when he’s on the pitch Lol sorry but getting in to position doesn't mean he will score. He isn't good enough I am afraid. He might not be good enough but he’s the best we’ve got at the minute. He will score you 10+ goals a season. We are a much more dangerous team with him on the pitch
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Feb 1, 2018 19:45:46 GMT
Lol sorry but getting in to position doesn't mean he will score. He isn't good enough I am afraid. He might not be good enough but he’s the best we’ve got at the minute. He will score you 10+ goals a season. We are a much more dangerous team with him on the pitch We haven't been dangerous for a couple of seasons. What did he actually do last night??
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Post by Theninjabadger on Feb 1, 2018 19:50:50 GMT
He might not be good enough but he’s the best we’ve got at the minute. He will score you 10+ goals a season. We are a much more dangerous team with him on the pitch We haven't been dangerous for a couple of seasons. What did he actually do last night?? And the last couple seasons he’s probably played a handful of games as a forward. He’s been stuck on the wing or at right back. He didn’t have a good game last night and I don’t think anyone will claim he did. His pace and energy does make him the best option to Lamberts game plan though. So unless we can get Berahino fit and firing he has to start for the foreseeable
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Feb 1, 2018 19:54:35 GMT
We haven't been dangerous for a couple of seasons. What did he actually do last night?? And the last couple seasons he’s probably played a handful of games as a forward. He’s been stuck on the wing or at right back. He didn’t have a good game last night and I don’t think anyone will claim he did. His pace and energy does make him the best option to Lamberts game plan though. So unless we can get Berahino fit and firing he has to start for the foreseeable Sorry dont agree at all away from home we need someone to hold the ball up, it bounces off him like a pinball machine. As bad as he his up front I would play Choppo he can art least hold on to the ball.
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Post by Theninjabadger on Feb 1, 2018 20:00:47 GMT
And the last couple seasons he’s probably played a handful of games as a forward. He’s been stuck on the wing or at right back. He didn’t have a good game last night and I don’t think anyone will claim he did. His pace and energy does make him the best option to Lamberts game plan though. So unless we can get Berahino fit and firing he has to start for the foreseeable Sorry dont agree at all away from home we need someone to hold the ball up, it bounces off him like a pinball machine. As bad as he his up front I would play Choppo he can art least hold on to the ball. The way we play I think we need an outlet ball and I don’t think Max would give us that. I understand your reasoning and if we were playing a different style I would agree with you but I can’t see him chasing down defenders and running behind the defenders like Mame does. If we’re to play with a genuine number 10 I would start with Max as a forward but I don’t think we’ll have a player within the same postcode as him when the ball goes forward
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Feb 1, 2018 20:15:01 GMT
Sorry dont agree at all away from home we need someone to hold the ball up, it bounces off him like a pinball machine. As bad as he his up front I would play Choppo he can art least hold on to the ball. The way we play I think we need an outlet ball and I don’t think Max would give us that. I understand your reasoning and if we were playing a different style I would agree with you but I can’t see him chasing down defenders and running behind the defenders like Mame does. If we’re to play with a genuine number 10 I would start with Max as a forward but I don’t think we’ll have a player within the same postcode as him when the ball goes forward running behind the defenders is no use at all in away matches and 90% of the time he is offside. Choppo can hold the ball. Every attack breaks down when Diuof is up front away from home.
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Post by Theninjabadger on Feb 1, 2018 20:21:02 GMT
The way we play I think we need an outlet ball and I don’t think Max would give us that. I understand your reasoning and if we were playing a different style I would agree with you but I can’t see him chasing down defenders and running behind the defenders like Mame does. If we’re to play with a genuine number 10 I would start with Max as a forward but I don’t think we’ll have a player within the same postcode as him when the ball goes forward running behind the defenders is no use at all in away matches and 90% of the time he is offside. Choppo can hold the ball. Every attack breaks down when Diuof is up front away from home. Then to play Max there we have play 4231 and play either Shaqiri or Ireland in behind him, someone clever enough to link play and I can’t see us changing shape and style to accommodate him there. I could be wrong and often am but I can’t see Lambert doing it.
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Feb 1, 2018 20:34:16 GMT
running behind the defenders is no use at all in away matches and 90% of the time he is offside. Choppo can hold the ball. Every attack breaks down when Diuof is up front away from home. Then to play Max there we have play 4231 and play either Shaqiri or Ireland in behind him, someone clever enough to link play and I can’t see us changing shape and style to accommodate him there. I could be wrong and often am but I can’t see Lambert doing it. Just play Sohbi on the left and Choppo up front.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Feb 1, 2018 20:40:31 GMT
Then to play Max there we have play 4231 and play either Shaqiri or Ireland in behind him, someone clever enough to link play and I can’t see us changing shape and style to accommodate him there. I could be wrong and often am but I can’t see Lambert doing it. Just play Sohbi on the left and Choppo up front. Lambert seems to have sussed sobhi Hence benched
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Post by Theninjabadger on Feb 1, 2018 20:40:42 GMT
Then to play Max there we have play 4231 and play either Shaqiri or Ireland in behind him, someone clever enough to link play and I can’t see us changing shape and style to accommodate him there. I could be wrong and often am but I can’t see Lambert doing it. Just play Sohbi on the left and Choppo up front. I don’t see any of the 3 midfielders getting close enough to him so he can hold the ball up. I just envisage him holding the ball up and get crowded out the game as crouch did under Hughes. It might be different under lambert but I can see him dropping deeper and effectively playing a 4-6-0 and continually inviting pressure onto ourselves
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Feb 1, 2018 20:45:28 GMT
Just play Sohbi on the left and Choppo up front. Lambert seems to have sussed sobhi Hence benched your comments aren't worth the piss that runs down your leg.
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Feb 1, 2018 20:46:11 GMT
Just play Sohbi on the left and Choppo up front. I don’t see any of the 3 midfielders getting close enough to him so he can hold the ball up. I just envisage him holding the ball up and get crowded out the game as crouch did under Hughes. It might be different under lambert but I can see him dropping deeper and effectively playing a 4-6-0 and continually inviting pressure onto ourselves better that than wasting a guy up front who offers nothing
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Post by xchpotter on Feb 1, 2018 21:05:44 GMT
Think we will get a red card in this one. Those diving, injury feigning Bournemouth lot v Ndiaye on his introduction to the Premier League will lead to it. Best we can hope for is a draw but just can’t see it at all.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Feb 2, 2018 2:43:49 GMT
Unfortunately can't see us getting any from these cheating, diving, conniving bastards, they always seem to turn us over.
I'll gargle my own bollocks if we do them!
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Post by 3putts on Feb 2, 2018 2:45:09 GMT
He always gets in a position for these chances. We stand more of a chance of scoring when he’s on the pitch Lol sorry but getting in to position doesn't mean he will score. He isn't good enough I am afraid. yes he is not a natural goalscorer but hes all we have so we have tomake sure shaq or chopu set him up with 3 good chances and maybe he will score one of them?
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Post by 3putts on Feb 2, 2018 2:49:33 GMT
Unfortunately can't see us getting any from these cheating, diving, conniving bastards, they always seem to turn us over. I'll gargle my own bollocks if we do them! with them beating Chelsea it could work in our favour they might start to think they can play football instead of relying on their "gamesmanship" could be an opportunity for us to get our noses in front. then lets see how many times they threw themselves to the floor. in the home game they used the wind to good effect esp in the first half we were kicking into the wind yet still created some good goal scoring opportunities[which Johnson duly scorned x3] in the 2nd half they created nothing we really should have got at least a point from that game, and would of most certainly done so if we had a decent ref.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Feb 2, 2018 3:00:15 GMT
Unfortunately can't see us getting any from these cheating, diving, conniving bastards, they always seem to turn us over. I'll gargle my own bollocks if we do them! with them beating Chelsea it could work in our favour they might start to think they can play football instead of relying on their "gamesmanship" could be an opportunity for us to get our noses in front. then lets see how many times they threw themselves to the floor. in the home game they used the wind to good effect esp in the first half we were kicking into the wind yet still created some good goal scoring opportunities[which Johnson duly scorned x3] in the 2nd half they created nothing we really should have got at least a point from that game, and would of most certainly done so if we had a decent ref. Just don't see it 3putts, I hate these pricks more than any other team, they are the only fuckers that tempt me to invade the pitch and whack a few of the fannies. I never bet against Stoke but I'd be tempted against these bastards! They'll ensure we don't win by hook or by crook. Cheating pricks
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Post by TexasPotter on Feb 2, 2018 4:11:41 GMT
It obviously needs changing but we lack quality. Cameron will add something but it wont be quality. We're in a spot of bother I fear. Cameron will guarantee we wont keep a clean sheet Fuck off with your non-sense. He kept loads of clean sheets when Ryan was out.
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Post by bathstoke on Feb 2, 2018 6:41:09 GMT
I'll gargle my own bollocks if we do them! Tea bagging oneself!!!
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Feb 2, 2018 6:49:51 GMT
I'll gargle my own bollocks if we do them! Tea bagging oneself!!! I'm old, they hang low bathstoke
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Post by bathstoke on Feb 2, 2018 6:54:12 GMT
I'm old, they hang low bathstoke Then get a dwarf to do it for you!
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Post by RAF on Feb 2, 2018 7:38:08 GMT
I don't see us getting anything in this game at all. If Charlie and Fletcher start in midefield we will get overrun.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Feb 2, 2018 7:55:30 GMT
Have to hope they think all they need to do is turn up and win.
They have pace in abundance which will cause us problems.
Hopefully we can sneak a point.
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Feb 2, 2018 9:18:48 GMT
Cameron will guarantee we wont keep a clean sheet Fuck off with your non-sense. He kept loads of clean sheets when Ryan was out. When was that then???
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Post by silverdollar on Feb 2, 2018 9:24:41 GMT
Every time I come onto this site it is the same old thing "We need a striker" The fact of the matter is that we have had strikers and we still do have strikers! Goals are scored in a number of ways; individual headers, world beating shots, headers and deliveries into the six yard box. The higher percentage of all goals come from deliveries from the dead ball line when the defence is turned either with headers or shots. Without this kind of delivery you don't score many goals. It is much easier to defend when crosses come from twenty yards out. Stoke for a number of years have consistently attempted to feed crosses from too far out and the strikers suffer a drought. Only Arnautovic has driven at defences and delivered. Stoke don't need strikers! They need fast tricky wide players who can attack the dead ball line and turn defences. We also have the type of players who can deliver this skill to! In Shaqiri and Jese we have two wide men who have the skill to take on full backs and provide the right kind of delivery. Choupo also can but needs a kick up the arse. If we can get these players delivering well then you will see Berahino scoring goals and Joe Allen who is very good at making runs into the box.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Feb 2, 2018 11:02:35 GMT
I don't see us getting anything in this game at all. If Charlie and Fletcher start in midefield we will get overrun. H The question is do we give Badou his debut or does he come on during the game? The Scottish mafia approach could be a problem but I trust that Lambert is just being pragmatic with Adam and Fletcher. Neither should be starting but both are reasonable options off the bench. At the moment I'd say Cameron, Badou and Allen was our best central midfield option. Geoff can do an okay job in front of the back four and has more 'legs' than Fletcher. We need to add dynamism into our midfield play and these three represent our best bet (obviously knowing nothing about how Badou will perform). You'd hope that Jese may get a chance now he's staying for the forseeable because we need more trickery and skill to unlock defences. I'm still in shock at Boremouth's result against Chelsea, but it doesn't mean they've become world beaters overnight, in the same way that Bradford didn't when they beat Chelsea 3-2 a few years ago in the Cup.
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Post by westgatelakes on Feb 2, 2018 11:59:24 GMT
If Lambert picks Fletcher tomorrow not only does it increase our chances of losing, but it also sends out the wrong message to other players in the squad that the team is selected on merit. Assuming a clean bill of health and a return to 4231, I would like to see: Butland, Bauer, Ryan, Zouma, Pieters or Stafilidis, Cameron, Allen, Shaq, Badou, Choupo, Diouf.
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