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Post by macarisredarmy on Jan 18, 2018 19:10:40 GMT
Lambert back tracking now on what he said in his presser earlier, if you listen to his interview on Radio Stoke this evening. The spin machine is in full effect. It's clear he didn't know who Stafylidis was but he's now having to step in line with what Scholes said. Even in the presser he says “I was only invited to watch Augsburg train, I didn’t really look at any of the players “Stoke had been watchin* him for a while “I watched him play (videos) “ he looks a good left back “ I don’t know how fit he is So I read that this is not Lamberts choice but he has gone along with it. We need cover there for sure but Bauer and Staffy were not his picks per se. The club knows what was listed as shortcomings by the last management and have cracked on by the looks of it. Hope Bauer continues how he started on his debut. Looked cracking for someone who hadn't played since mid December.
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Post by andystokey on Jan 18, 2018 19:14:34 GMT
Even in the presser he says “I was only invited to watch Augsburg train, I didn’t really look at any of the players “Stoke had been watchin* him for a while “I watched him play (videos) “ he looks a good left back “ I don’t know how fit he is So I read that this is not Lamberts choice but he has gone along with it. We need cover there for sure but Bauer and Staffy were not his picks per se. The club knows what was listed as shortcomings by the last management and have cracked on by the looks of it. Hope Bauer continues how he started on his debut. Looked cracking for someone who hadn't played since mid December. He was a breath of fresh air for sure. Blowing out of his arse in the second half but kept going I agree. Just shows how unfit and lacking in ene4gy and intensity we’ve got used to. I’m hoping that Saturday that intensity and pressing is there. I just worry how long we can keep it going if we aren’t fully fit.
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Post by macarisredarmy on Jan 18, 2018 19:16:01 GMT
Hopefully Lambo will get us to fitness, very telling we weren't fit though eh? No wonder the results were shite.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 18, 2018 19:19:56 GMT
Really hope we have included an option to buy clause so we can bring him in permanently if he is a success! We signed Wolfy after an unsuccessful loan so who knows if he is any good we will most likely send him back.
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Post by scfc1982 on Jan 18, 2018 19:21:36 GMT
I think it's just about fair enough so far. Bauer looks good - and Staffy could go either way, but at least he's a warm body who could play left-back. Cheap and cheerful maybe, but he looks just about a worthwhile punt. But we need to push the boat well and truly out to sea for the midfielder (which is going to be the key addition) and what we're prepared to do there and maybe up front will tell us all we need to know. With relegation tapping us on the shoulder, the time to try and be 'cute' is long gone. If we're still in cute mode now, we deserve all we get. Do you blame the board for that? Hughes spent a fucking lorry load on absolute gash. Why would they spunk a whole host more when we aren't even guaranteed Premier League next year? It's not only daft to do that, it's risking the clubs existence ! I'm 100% sure that, providing we steer clear of relegation, this summer we'll have funds to spend and stregthen significantly. Bojan coming back would, in my opinion, be a dream. It'd give the whole place a lift. Imbula, not so, but at the same time, if he can come back and offer us the quality we need against the teams around us, then get him back in! Against the big boys, I suspect we'll be abit more cautious, but these next few games, we'll be going all out to win Were they Hughes signings tho? Or was it we like him how about it
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Post by andystokey on Jan 18, 2018 19:21:54 GMT
The reaction of the crowd will be a big factor Saturday. Not at the start when I expect everyone to be up for it. But when we are puffing and panting second half and things go against us. They're going to need a push over the line. Fingers crossed.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 18, 2018 20:04:30 GMT
I'll be very disappointed if we don't spend big, if at all possible, on a central midfielder. Our options there are absolutely embarrassing. We've really dropped down the list in terms of spending and wage bills over the last 3 seasons (pretty much in the bottom 4 or 5 on both counts) - and whether we're prepared to spend 8-figures for a bloke to partner Allen for the second half of the season will tell us a lot. If we're really as terrified at the prospect of relegation, and the subsequent drop in income that'd come with it, as reports suggest we are, the wallet will be out big-style. If we do 'spend big' on anyone at all we surely can't offer yet another one of these 5 and a half year contracts which have become 'de rigeur' for us. It's those contracts rather than transfer fees which are going to financially kill us if the grim reaper does call in May. We would already be taking Wimmer, Berahino and Imbula in to the Championship on 5 year contracts, all 3 are unmovable even if we were willing to give them way given their wages and contract durations. For that reason (financial prudence) I fancy we are restricted to loan only for any 'big hitter' we might sign. Bet 365 our owner wouldn’t feel these contracts anymore than a pin prick , they’ve just paid at least one £200m plus dividend from distributable resources , Talk of fiscal meltdown like the Leeds and Portsmouth’s is absolute nonsense . The question is Do they want to invest hard earned income in this subsidiary and does it offer an acceptable marketing return on that investment , I’d suggest at the level required to sustain a premiet league team the answer is no., and already the signs are emerging , No question the Sánchez Talk was just that ,, the walk was sell to buy at the required level .
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jan 18, 2018 20:07:33 GMT
If we do 'spend big' on anyone at all we surely can't offer yet another one of these 5 and a half year contracts which have become 'de rigeur' for us. It's those contracts rather than transfer fees which are going to financially kill us if the grim reaper does call in May. We would already be taking Wimmer, Berahino and Imbula in to the Championship on 5 year contracts, all 3 are unmovable even if we were willing to give them way given their wages and contract durations. For that reason (financial prudence) I fancy we are restricted to loan only for any 'big hitter' we might sign. Bet 365 our owner wouldn’t feel these contracts anymore than a pin prick , they’ve just paid at least one £200m plus dividend from distributable resources , Talk of fiscal meltdown like the Leeds and Portsmouth’s is absolute nonsense . The question is Do they want to invest hard earned income in this subsidiary and does it offer an acceptable marketing return on that investment , I’d suggest at the level required to sustain a premiet league team the answer is no., and already the signs are emerging , No question the Sánchez Talk was just that ,, the walk was sell to buy at the required level . Can I be your proof reader Benji? Just £10 a post and I'm all yours.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 18, 2018 20:10:55 GMT
Bet 365 our owner wouldn’t feel these contracts anymore than a pin prick , they’ve just paid at least one £200m plus dividend from distributable resources , Talk of fiscal meltdown like the Leeds and Portsmouth’s is absolute nonsense . The question is Do they want to invest hard earned income in this subsidiary and does it offer an acceptable marketing return on that investment , I’d suggest at the level required to sustain a premiet league team the answer is no., and already the signs are emerging , No question the Sánchez Talk was just that ,, the walk was sell to buy at the required level . Can I be your proof reader Benji? Just £10 a post and I'm all yours. I’d take you up on it but I’m a man of principal , no friend of Mr Scholes can be a friend if mine 😉
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jan 18, 2018 20:12:54 GMT
Can I be your proof reader Benji? Just £10 a post and I'm all yours. I’d take you up on it but I’m a man of principal , no friend of Mr Scholes can be a friend if mine 😉 We don't have to be friends Benji, I can't stand most people I do work with on a daily basis in all honesty.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jan 18, 2018 20:14:19 GMT
Can I be your proof reader Benji? Just £10 a post and I'm all yours. I’d take you up on it but I’m a man of principal , no friend of Mr Scholes can be a friend if mine 😉 Idyoffer to do it daft Benj but I'd be afraid I'd end up in a home for the bewildered
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 18, 2018 20:32:23 GMT
I’d take you up on it but I’m a man of principal , no friend of Mr Scholes can be a friend if mine 😉 We don't have to be friends Benji, I can't stand most people I do work with on a daily basis in all honesty. Sorry no it would be like funding evil , I just couldn’t live with myself knowing I’d helped keep that man in a job a day longer than neccessary
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 18, 2018 20:33:16 GMT
I’d take you up on it but I’m a man of principal , no friend of Mr Scholes can be a friend if mine 😉 Idyoffer to do it daft Benj but I'd be afraid I'd end up in a home for the bewildered Ask the nurse , i think you’ll find your their already ,
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jan 18, 2018 20:41:06 GMT
We don't have to be friends Benji, I can't stand most people I do work with on a daily basis in all honesty. Sorry no it would be like funding evil , I just couldn’t live with myself knowing I’d helped keep that man in a job a day longer than neccessary Erm... your money would be going to me, not Tony Scholes. It might come across like he's my pimp but surprisingly he isn't.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jan 18, 2018 20:44:42 GMT
Won't be easy to make an infantile nickname from that. But I'll give it a crack.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 20:47:12 GMT
Having watched the press conference, Lambert basically admits the idea to sign him wasn't his, although he clearly gave him the thumbs-up. Lambert back tracking now on what he said in his presser earlier, if you listen to his interview on Radio Stoke this evening. The spin machine is in full effect. It's clear he didn't know who Stafylidis was but he's now having to step in line with what Scholes said. Have you got a link to that Radio Stoke interview Paul? Cheers
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 21:13:43 GMT
A right back at right back and a left back at left back What is this wizardry More chance of seeing Crouchie sign for Chelsea
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 18, 2018 21:40:37 GMT
Lambert back tracking now on what he said in his presser earlier, if you listen to his interview on Radio Stoke this evening. The spin machine is in full effect. It's clear he didn't know who Stafylidis was but he's now having to step in line with what Scholes said. Have you got a link to that Radio Stoke interview Paul? Cheers and so it starts. There has been so much blind optimism on here over the last few days but I can't help but feel that this has disaster written all over it. The transfer team have got their yes man, a man lucky to be in such a job and who will be complicit in the internal dealings of running the football team.
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Post by drippinggoatsnob on Jan 18, 2018 21:45:11 GMT
The reaction of the crowd will be a big factor Saturday. Not at the start when I expect everyone to be up for it. But when we are puffing and panting second half and things go against us. They're going to need a push over the line. Fingers crossed. Very true. If you think about the Bournemouth game at home. Games can turn on their head with a passage of play. The fans need to stick with the boys and be patient.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 18, 2018 21:46:02 GMT
Have you got a link to that Radio Stoke interview Paul? Cheers and so it starts. There has been so much blind optimism on here over the last few days but I can't help but feel that this has disaster written all over it. The transfer team have got their yes man, a man lucky to be in such a job and who will be complicit in the internal dealings of running the football team. Haha I'm glad I'm not the only one. I want to run with it but no one has even contemplated we could lose on Saturday. And this signing could be ace. But the impression it gives is of a cheap board hoping to God they can keep us up on the cheap. The very issue we've had for 2/3 years.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 21:53:54 GMT
Have you got a link to that Radio Stoke interview Paul? Cheers and so it starts. There has been so much blind optimism on here over the last few days but I can't help but feel that this has disaster written all over it. The transfer team have got their yes man, a man lucky to be in such a job and who will be complicit in the internal dealings of running the football team. To be fair Dave, if you believe what you read around here then the board and transfer team had their yes man anyway in Hughes, so what has changed? It seems on the outside that we've swapped one yes man who let his team ship 50 goals in half a season and out of the FA Cup to a 4th division side, for another yes man that might get us playing a better brand of football (results wise). He might not also... Football has changed at most clubs. With big money deals a lot, if not all, of clubs are now operating a similar structure. Managers now have very little direct input into who they sign, outside of adding a yes or a no to certain players before they come in through the door. Why do you think none of them resign any more, preferring to wait for the payoff? It's all part of the game they all play. Go in, do a bit, nod and smile and when results go pear shaped wait for your pay off and move onto the next club. As for the greek lad, who knows how he will adjust to English football, like any foreign player? It's all a lottery.
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Post by lordb on Jan 18, 2018 22:01:23 GMT
and so it starts. There has been so much blind optimism on here over the last few days but I can't help but feel that this has disaster written all over it. The transfer team have got their yes man, a man lucky to be in such a job and who will be complicit in the internal dealings of running the football team. To be fair Dave, if you believe what you read around here then the board and transfer team had their yes man anyway in Hughes, so what has changed? It seems on the outside that we've swapped one yes man who let his team ship 50 goals in half a season and out of the FA Cup to a 4th division side, for another yes man that might get us playing a better brand of football (results wise). He might not also... Football has changed at most clubs. With big money deals a lot, if not all, of clubs are now operating a similar structure. Managers now have very little direct input into who they sign, outside of adding a yes or a no to certain players before they come in through the door. Why do you think none of them resign any more, preferring to wait for the payoff? It's all part of the game they all play. Go in, do a bit, nod and smile and when results go pear shaped wait for your pay off and move onto the next club. As for the greek lad, who knows how he will adjust to English football, like any foreign player? It's all a lottery. He's already had a season in England. Ok the Championship but that makes it more of a readjustment. The only issue is he any good or not?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 18, 2018 22:07:24 GMT
I'd be surprised if Lambert was happy to be a yes man after what he went through in his last three jobs.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 22:12:44 GMT
To be fair Dave, if you believe what you read around here then the board and transfer team had their yes man anyway in Hughes, so what has changed? It seems on the outside that we've swapped one yes man who let his team ship 50 goals in half a season and out of the FA Cup to a 4th division side, for another yes man that might get us playing a better brand of football (results wise). He might not also... Football has changed at most clubs. With big money deals a lot, if not all, of clubs are now operating a similar structure. Managers now have very little direct input into who they sign, outside of adding a yes or a no to certain players before they come in through the door. Why do you think none of them resign any more, preferring to wait for the payoff? It's all part of the game they all play. Go in, do a bit, nod and smile and when results go pear shaped wait for your pay off and move onto the next club. As for the greek lad, who knows how he will adjust to English football, like any foreign player? It's all a lottery. He's already had a season in England. Ok the Championship but that makes it more of a readjustment. The only issue is he any good or not? The Championship is a very different league than the Premier League to be fair, or at least 4 seasons ago when he was here it was. I think it has got a lot closer in recent seasons. The biggest killer for any foreign lad coming over is the pace of the game and that side of it always has. The Premier League is a lot quicker than the Championship. My worry is not necessarily with the player himself, it's more that we could have two attacking fullbacks on the pitch at one time with our current midfield that might kill us in the short term. Bauer played ridiculously high at OT at times, and from the few times i've seen Stiffy (domestically and internationally), he's not far off playing the same way. Unless his game has changed significantly since the last time I saw him play (around 18 months ago), he is not far off a carbon copy of Bauer. EDIT: His recent injury record worries me also.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 18, 2018 22:37:35 GMT
I'd be surprised if Lambert was happy to be a yes man after what he went through in his last three jobs.
Really Rob?
He was hardly going to turn the opportunity down, pretty much regardless of what the parameters of the job were, you would have thought.
Not saying the he is going to be but he was hardly in a position to be dictating terms.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 18, 2018 22:42:34 GMT
I'd be surprised if Lambert was happy to be a yes man after what he went through in his last three jobs.
Really Rob?
He was hardly going to turn the opportunity down, pretty much regardless of what the parameters of the job were, you would have thought.
Not saying the he is going to be but he was hardly in a position to be dictating terms.
He aged 10 years in the space of a couple of seasons after being Lerner's fall guy at Villa, Paul. He left Blackburn to voluntarily enter unemployment rather than spend another minute working for Venky's and Blackburn after they told him there was no money. He and Wolves seemed to mutually part once it became clear Lambert wouldn't have a big say in transfers. I appreciate that this is an unexpected chance back in the Prem for him, but the man has had his fill of being a yes man, I really think he might surprise a few people here and everywhere else.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 18, 2018 22:43:09 GMT
Lambert back tracking now on what he said in his presser earlier, if you listen to his interview on Radio Stoke this evening. The spin machine is in full effect. It's clear he didn't know who Stafylidis was but he's now having to step in line with what Scholes said. Have you got a link to that Radio Stoke interview Paul? Cheers
No sorry mate, it was on in the kitchen whilst I was cooking and it struck me how different his answers were to the ones in the press conference.
Funny thing is, he didn't say that he was actually his signing, he just kind of implied it, he was certainly aware of what he was doing, they were clever answers.
To tell you the truth I'm not particularly bothered about it either way, it was it is, I'm not going to lose sleep over it.
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Post by lordb on Jan 18, 2018 22:45:31 GMT
If he's any good he will play him.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 18, 2018 22:46:35 GMT
Really Rob?
He was hardly going to turn the opportunity down, pretty much regardless of what the parameters of the job were, you would have thought.
Not saying the he is going to be but he was hardly in a position to be dictating terms.
He aged 10 years in the space of a couple of seasons after being Lerner's fall guy at Villa, Paul. He left Blackburn to voluntarily enter unemployment rather than spend another minute working for Venky's and Blackburn after they told him there was no money. He and Wolves seemed to mutually part once it became clear Lambert wouldn't have a big say in transfers. I appreciate that this is an unexpected chance back in the Prem for him, but the man has had his fill of being a yes man, I really think he might surprise a few people here and everywhere else.
I'm not sure what it is you're suggesting Rob ... that he would have turned the offer down, if he thought he wasn't going to have total control over transfers?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 18, 2018 22:51:14 GMT
He aged 10 years in the space of a couple of seasons after being Lerner's fall guy at Villa, Paul. He left Blackburn to voluntarily enter unemployment rather than spend another minute working for Venky's and Blackburn after they told him there was no money. He and Wolves seemed to mutually part once it became clear Lambert wouldn't have a big say in transfers. I appreciate that this is an unexpected chance back in the Prem for him, but the man has had his fill of being a yes man, I really think he might surprise a few people here and everywhere else.
I'm not sure what you're suggesting Rob ... that he would have turned the offer down, if he thought he wasn't going to have total control over transfers?
I'm suggesting that having walked away from jobs in the past rather than have his hands tied, and said in the process that he never wants to go through anything like what he experienced at Villa again, he wouldn't automatically jump at the first job that came his way, even if it was in the Premier League. He doesn't strike me, having read up on him a fair bit this week in researching a piece for the fanzine, as that sort of character.
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