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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 15, 2018 12:45:53 GMT
There are some positives for sure.
He isn't Mark Hughes He isn't Tony Pulis
I'm struggling to think of too many more if I'm honest but my Norwich City supporting friends really like him as well.
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Post by chrisparker on Jan 15, 2018 12:49:01 GMT
It is easy to jump to the conclusion that Paul Lambert has very little to offer However,a look back at his record suggests many positives... Lambert was given no money to spend in his last few seasons at Villa, nor at Blackburn or Wolves. I believe he left Blackburn of his own accord at the end of that season His win % at Wolves was very good when he departed at the season end (was there a change of ownership?) His earlier managerial career at Norwich and Villa was superb. He brought in many young faces at Villa in particular And he is only 48 - young but experienced Looking good? I agree he did great with Blackburn and Villa whilst spending peanuts, which is probably what made him an attractive choice to the Stoke board. Lambert could be a surprise. But then again it could just as well be a disaster.
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Post by Ex-term-oat-cake on Jan 15, 2018 12:55:27 GMT
All I need to back Lambert is to think of the utter humiliation of conceeding 7 to Man City and then throwing the Chelsea game only to lose to Newcastle. That was unforgivable and I would have sacked Hughes on the spot for throwing a game. Feeble.
Now whatever else Lambert has or hasn’t done, he can organise a defence and setup to counter attack.
So let’s give the man a chance.
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Jan 15, 2018 12:55:44 GMT
One thing is for certain, no amount of wailing and gnashing of teeth on here is going to help the situation, and if it's replicated inside the ground then it may make it a whole lot worse. The appointment of Tony Pulis (first time around) was incredibly similar to this one - the Burley farce, posters guaranteeing that he'd definitely take us down, "you don't know what you're doing" in his very first game, etc. That eventually worked out rather better than any of us expected. Hughes' appointment wasn't as unpopular as Pulis but we had the yellow 'Hughes Out' van and loads of moaning on here. That also worked out far better than expected, at least for the first few years. Paul Lambert is an incredibly uninspiring choice, especially after we'd all got excited about QSF. But he's our manager now and the very least he deserves is to be given a chance to prove himself before the knives come out. He's also got a surprisingly decent managerial record (btw the incredible money at Wolves has come in THIS season - that's why they got rid of Lambert in the first place, to bring in the new manager who's very close to Jorge Mendes). Even the 2.5 year contract doesn't surprise me that much. We hear over and over again that players won't bother listening to a manager who won't be there long term. Even Manchester United had a dip when Alex Ferguson announced he was going to retire. We don't know the details of the contract, maybe we can sack him for a couple of months' wages, but it makes sense to at least appear to be giving him a future at the club. Sure, if he keeps us up then I'd imagine he'll probably be given a crack at next season as well but I'd take that right now. We all would, wouldn't we? Bottom line, Paul Lambert is now the manager of Stoke City and as supporters, if we want the best for our club then the best thing we can do is get behind him. If it doesn't work out then it doesn't work out but at least let's take the time to find out? Good post. The last time I felt this negative about a managerial appointment was Pulis in 2002 but that turned out to be a masterstroke and over two spells he ended up being our most successful manager since Waddo. Hughes was also a completely underwhelming choice but he ended up doing a great job in his first two seasons and he'd have left with far more love had the board had the same foresight as they did in 2013 and sacked him at the end of last season when the alarm bells were ringing off the walls. On the flip side Kamara and especially Little in 1998 were both very popular choices with (at the time) impressive looking CVs and they both turned out to be unmitigated disasters. Lambert may well turn out to be as uninspiring as we all expect and we'll just drift to what's beginning to look like an inevitable, avoidable and calamitous relegation. But history has shown he may just surprise us. One thing is certain he simply HAS to be given some money to spend before the end of January because the defence in particular is just not up to the job and no amount of coaching can turn the likes of Kevin Wimmer into a competent centre half or bionically repair Ryan Shawcross.
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Post by fentonian on Jan 15, 2018 12:55:59 GMT
Clutching at straws aren't we. No way on this planet is this a progressive appointment. The only positive is that he'll make a decent championship manager and he won't be pulling in a massive wage. His style of management won't be attractive to potential signings. Shambles.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 15, 2018 12:58:30 GMT
So long premier league...hello championship 😭 And if that is the case you are surely not going to blame Paul Lambert for it?! We are already on what you might politely call a 'downward trajectory' it's not Lambert who has engineered that. His job is to make an 'immediate impact'. I'm not sure what he has done wrong beyond not having an exotic Spanish name and a nice euro jumper/scarf combo ? We aren't cut adrift bring in a decent manager and we have a chance, bring in Lambert and welcome to the championship.
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Post by TheWiseMaster on Jan 15, 2018 12:59:13 GMT
Just had a bet on Stoke not to be relegated... Not good odds but surely a banker lol
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 13:03:14 GMT
Jim White(wanker) on talksport has just said he knows Lambert personally, and Lambert will spend every minute of every hour he's awake trying to make Stoke better, I suppose at this stage this is the best we can hope for. Underwhelmed and pissed off just doesn't cover it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 13:04:25 GMT
Jim White(wanker) on talksport has just said he knows Lambert personally, and Lambert will spend every minute of every hour he's awake trying to make Stoke better, I suppose at this stage this is the best we can hope for. Underwhelmed and pissed off just doesn't cover it. At least we have a manager who gives a shit, it could be much worse If only we had a board who gave a shit too
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 13:05:03 GMT
Jim White(wanker) on talksport has just said he knows Lambert personally, and Lambert will spend every minute of every hour he's awake trying to make Stoke better, I suppose at this stage this is the best we can hope for. Underwhelmed and pissed off just doesn't cover it. At least we have a manager who gives a shit, it could be much worse If only we had a board who gave a shit too Agreed, I kind of like that he has something to prove.
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Post by Gods on Jan 15, 2018 13:10:59 GMT
Just had a bet on Stoke not to be relegated... Not good odds but surely a banker lol What odds did you get?
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Post by barnscfc1 on Jan 15, 2018 13:13:23 GMT
We have to get behind the new man, get everyone together in the ground. Hope he's given the money to sign players.
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Post by Gods on Jan 15, 2018 13:13:43 GMT
And if that is the case you are surely not going to blame Paul Lambert for it?! We are already on what you might politely call a 'downward trajectory' it's not Lambert who has engineered that. His job is to make an 'immediate impact'. I'm not sure what he has done wrong beyond not having an exotic Spanish name and a nice euro jumper/scarf combo ? We aren't cut adrift bring in a decent manager and we have a chance, bring in Lambert and welcome to the championship. Well of course we are statistically more likely to go down than stay up and that will be even more the case after tonight's defeat so you could well be right but all I can say is for what it’s worth that I think Lambert seems like a serious individual with a strong worth ethic and has a better chance of stopping the rot than that Quique Sanchez Flores fella we courted for 2 weeks, he would be the worst of all worlds, a half-committed, half arsed manager trying to galvanise a group of disorganised and dispirited players! Lambert is to blame for exactly none of this.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 13:16:28 GMT
Just had a bet on Stoke not to be relegated... Not good odds but surely a banker lol I’d bet the other way if I was a betting man, then at least there is a small positive when we actually go down and if by some miracle we stay up then I’d happily write off whatever I bet.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 15, 2018 13:21:00 GMT
We aren't cut adrift bring in a decent manager and we have a chance, bring in Lambert and welcome to the championship. Well of course we are statistically more likely to go down than stay up and that will be even more the case after tonight's defeat so you could well be right but all I can say is for what it’s worth that I think Lambert seems like a serious individual with a strong worth ethic and has a better chance of stopping the rot than that Quique Sanchez Flores fella we courted for 2 weeks, he would be the worst of all worlds, a half-committed, half arsed manager trying to galvanise a group of disorganised and dispirited players! Lambert is to blame for exactly none of this. I'm not questioning his work ethic or anything like that, he could be a great guy too, im questioning his ability or rather the lack of it, its a shocking appointment, also you know nothing of Flores so that seems a little harsh on the bloke, its not Lamberts fault the mess we're in but if we go down its 100% Coates and the boards fault for thinking someone with a 26% win rate that has failed all over the place in the lower league can turn it around.
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Post by mozzermozzer on Jan 15, 2018 13:21:15 GMT
I never realized his middle name was Fucking.
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Post by salopstick on Jan 15, 2018 13:22:18 GMT
You can judge his appointment correctly after his first 6 games.
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Post by rondogmcmuffin on Jan 15, 2018 13:31:02 GMT
Jim White(wanker) on talksport has just said he knows Lambert personally, and Lambert will spend every minute of every hour he's awake trying to make Stoke better, I suppose at this stage this is the best we can hope for. Underwhelmed and pissed off just doesn't cover it. I spat my tea out laughing at this. Love how you took the time to pen and close a brackett just to remind us all that Jim White is a w***** hahahaha
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Post by Dallas Cowboy on Jan 15, 2018 13:39:50 GMT
If Stoke stay up and Newcastle go down, I expect Lambert to be paid off, and Rafa appointed as Stoke's manager. Don't read too much into the two-and-a-half-year contract.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 15, 2018 13:43:58 GMT
If Stoke stay up and Newcastle go down, I expect Lambert to be paid off, and Rafa appointed as Stoke's manager. Don't read too much into the two-and-a-half-year contract. This.
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Post by Northy on Jan 15, 2018 13:50:44 GMT
All I need to back Lambert is to think of the utter humiliation of conceeding 7 to Man City and then throwing the Chelsea game only to lose to Newcastle. That was unforgivable and I would have sacked Hughes on the spot for throwing a game. Feeble. Now whatever else Lambert has or hasn’t done, he can organise a defence and setup to counter attack. So let’s give the man a chance. and also outplayed our lot in the FA cup last season
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Post by reddipotter on Jan 15, 2018 13:56:19 GMT
Clutching at straws aren't we. No way on this planet is this a progressive appointment. The only positive is that he'll make a decent championship manager and he won't be pulling in a massive wage. His style of management won't be attractive to potential signings. Shambles. Not progressive is right. Unfortunately, however, we have worked ourselves into a position where we need to restore organisation, fitness etc before we can possibly progress.
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 15, 2018 14:04:43 GMT
All I need to back Lambert is to think of the utter humiliation of conceeding 7 to Man City and then throwing the Chelsea game only to lose to Newcastle. That was unforgivable and I would have sacked Hughes on the spot for throwing a game. Feeble. Now whatever else Lambert has or hasn’t done, he can organise a defence and setup to counter attack. So let’s give the man a chance. We will have the slowest counter attacking team in the history of the PL, mind you we will only be in it until May 2018 thanks Coates you stupid half wit.
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Post by Linx on Jan 15, 2018 14:13:26 GMT
I was as glum as most on here at first but, having read all the pisstaking comments and jeers from other fans on various comments boards, I feel a surge of Churchillian will to resist such barbs and get behind the bloke. I'd love to ram their comments down their throats with a midtable finish.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jan 15, 2018 14:22:16 GMT
The mistake was made last May when Hughes should have gone and failure to remove him has left us where we are today
In terms of the managers available to us he could be as good as any of them .
Seems very similar in style to Rowett who people were getting all happy about last week and in fact has achieved more than Rowett so far .
Being a champions league winner will help in attracting players no doubt
His wolves reserves looked decent enough as they beat us last season .
I think he will get stuck into the players and work to get his message across on the training ground much more than Hughes .
I expect to see the team look fitter and better organised within a few weeks
Can he keep us up ? I think its possible but a lot will depend on getting the right two or three players in between now and the end of the month .
The anger needs to be put on hold for now and saved for whoever kept Hughes in a job last summer once the season is decided .
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jan 15, 2018 14:23:36 GMT
My biggest concern is what kinds of quality talent is Lambert going attract...? Am sure any decent players out there will see us with no ambition so why would they want to sign for us..!!! You dont think flashing his champions league winners medal will count for anything then ?
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Post by ruts66 on Jan 15, 2018 14:25:25 GMT
Well, I've tried to approach this in a calm and considered way, reading the official press releases and general reaction looking for positives and pluses that I may not have known in the hope of finding something to cling to.
I should be angry but just feel numb.
Good luck to Paul Lambert, I hope he gets enough of a bounce to see us in with a chance of survival.
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Post by robstokie on Jan 15, 2018 14:26:54 GMT
After 3 or more rejections this is not the appointment everyone wanted. I think everyone agrees that the way this has been handled by SCFC hierarchy is eamatyerish and embarrassing. I don't think this regime is sufficiently proactive or professional enough to take this club anywhere. Having said that, negativity towards the new manager at this point is suicide. So zip up your man suits ladies and let's get behind him and more importantly Stoke. He deserves a chance for having the balls to do this. He's probably the most surprised person of all to be fair. Probably put his name forward thinking he would be no-where near getting it.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 15, 2018 14:31:31 GMT
It’s an absolutely dreadful appointment imo BUT he’ll get my support just like every other manager because he’s in charge now of my club
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 14:50:30 GMT
Underwelmed
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