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Post by chiswickpotter on Jan 15, 2018 14:39:53 GMT
true I guess, but I just think he's put his heart and sole into this club....not reason enough I know Maybe he should hand over the reigns He has clearly but his time is up. Coates the younger has to take over. We need a clean sweep in all of the main roles, that's been obvious for ages. You have no idea how the club is run. John and Peter are joined at the hip and invest huge amounts of time into the Club. The idea that one is running things alone is just wrong, changing roles would not change anything they have complete shared responsibility. Either you want the club to have access to their money or you don’t, that is the only choice
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 15, 2018 14:40:32 GMT
People will, we clearly have massive issues at board level and have for years. Peter needs to step down. What do you mean “have for years”? How many years? What issues? We have consistently outperformed what our wage bill would predict, been way more successful than a Club with our crowd, catchment and international profile could expect for a decade and have Very strong finances. Benchmark our commercial revenue against the division and you will see we generate more than our peers on a like for like basis. Please provide evidence for what i believe is a lazy and ill-informed assertion Our commercial results are poor and have been since we got up. Our advertising strategy is lazy, piggy back on bet365 and don't diversify from there. The whole club is lazy really, like this appointment, lazy and unambitious. We're run like a Conference club. They have been happy to stick with a bloke who was flailing for two years, it was sheer arrogance to stick with him for how long they did and they're paying for it.
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Post by daveandeddy on Jan 15, 2018 14:41:23 GMT
They are all part of it but ultimately who holds the trigger? Who kept putting it off? Who was speaking to the press saying he couldn't see what the fuss about? true I guess, but I just think he's put his heart and sole into this club....not reason enough I know Maybe he should hand over the reigns Fucking hell shrews
ever heard the phrase --- he used to be indecisive but now he's not so sure
never seen anyone change tack so quick !!!!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 15, 2018 14:41:27 GMT
He has clearly but his time is up. Coates the younger has to take over. We need a clean sweep in all of the main roles, that's been obvious for ages. You have no idea how the club is run. John and Peter are joined at the hip and invest huge amounts of time into the Club. The idea that one is running things alone is just wrong, changing roles would not change anything they have complete shared responsibility. Either you want the club to have access to their money or you don’t, that is the only choice I want the club to be run like a PL club should be.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 15, 2018 14:46:54 GMT
People will, we clearly have massive issues at board level and have for years. Peter needs to step down. What do you mean “have for years”? How many years? What issues? We have consistently outperformed what our wage bill would predict, been way more successful than a Club with our crowd, catchment and international profile could expect for a decade and have Very strong finances. Benchmark our commercial revenue against the division and you will see we generate more than our peers on a like for like basis. Please provide evidence for what i believe is a lazy and ill-informed assertion Oh and the general cheap skatery with transfers since Hughes was bought in tbh.
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Post by Pirate on Jan 15, 2018 15:06:33 GMT
The Sentinel piece, just released with the interview of the Brummie journalist has me even more concerned, a lot of it could have been written about Hughes.
Lack of consistent plan in setting the team up. Bland & dour soundbite press conferences " doing ok ", " we go again ". Transfers - Dropped Beneteke as a big plus but then came up with 3 names who were shite.
I was worried before today's news, things just seem to lurch from bad to worse for us, i honestly haven't felt like this about Stoke since that awful home game against Man City ending in both teams relegation.
I will support the guy now he is through the door, what other choice is there, we are Stoke supporters & that will never change. I just find it heartbreaking to be honest that we had got to a place we never thought we would be, like a pay off for all the years of being nobody's, not only that but we have been propelled into being one of the biggest financial institutions in the world game & we still behave like that little club from league one who nobody gave a shit about.
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Post by nott1 on Jan 15, 2018 15:11:38 GMT
The Sentinel piece, just released with the interview of the Brummie journalist has me even more concerned, a lot of it could have been written about Hughes. Lack of consistent plan in setting the team up. Bland & dour soundbite press conferences " doing ok ", " we go again ". Transfers - Dropped Beneteke as a big plus but then came up with 3 names who were shite. I was worried before today's news, things just seem to lurch from bad to worse for us, i honestly haven't felt like this about Stoke since that awful home game against Man City ending in both teams relegation. I will support the guy now he is through the door, what other choice is there, we are Stoke supporters & that will never change. I just find it heartbreaking to be honest that we had got to a place we never thought we would be, like a pay off for all the years of being nobody's, not only that but we have been propelled into being one of the biggest financial institutions in the world game & we still behave like that little club from league one who nobody gave a shit about. Ah but it's what the "fans" were calling for!
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jan 15, 2018 15:13:31 GMT
I do not agree with this sentiment at all.
The intent of the board Will be revealed in the signings that are made.
I will wait and see what we are trying to do.
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Post by Pirate on Jan 15, 2018 15:22:35 GMT
The Sentinel piece, just released with the interview of the Brummie journalist has me even more concerned, a lot of it could have been written about Hughes. Lack of consistent plan in setting the team up. Bland & dour soundbite press conferences " doing ok ", " we go again ". Transfers - Dropped Beneteke as a big plus but then came up with 3 names who were shite. I was worried before today's news, things just seem to lurch from bad to worse for us, i honestly haven't felt like this about Stoke since that awful home game against Man City ending in both teams relegation. I will support the guy now he is through the door, what other choice is there, we are Stoke supporters & that will never change. I just find it heartbreaking to be honest that we had got to a place we never thought we would be, like a pay off for all the years of being nobody's, not only that but we have been propelled into being one of the biggest financial institutions in the world game & we still behave like that little club from league one who nobody gave a shit about. Ah but it's what the "fans" were calling for! You cannot bunch everything together & just say we asked for it, far to simplistic. What we called for in terms of first team manager only was MH to go as clearly his race was ran & somebody more capable of running the side to be bought in. Not what has happened, none of us could have imagined they would fill the position as they have, the appointment is not of the fans doing. PL record, Lambert's Premier League career Club Time Number of games Wins Draws Losses Win % Points Points per game Source: Opta Norwich City August 2009-June 2012 38 12 11 15 31.6% 47 1.24 Aston Villa June 2012-February 2015 101 25 26 50 24.8% 101 1.00 MH here, Stoke City 30 May 2013 6 January 2018 200 71 48 81 35.5Even going by this most basic of things, find me the poster who said " i want us to sack Hughes & employ a guy with a worse record "? Why is it so wrong for some fans to want & expect better for our club, folk trotting round eulogizing Tony Pulis, telling us to be careful what we wish for.
We wanted better for our club, that is what " fans " called for & i for one am proud to stand among those who want more for us & do not think we should know our place.
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Post by nott1 on Jan 15, 2018 15:25:58 GMT
Ah but it's what the "fans" were calling for! You cannot bunch everything together & just say we asked for it, far to simplistic. What we called for in terms of first team manager only was MH to go as clearly his race was ran & somebody more capable of running the side to be bought in. Not what has happened, none of us could have imagined they would fill the position as they have, the appointment is not of the fans doing. PL record, Lambert's Premier League career Club Time Number of games Wins Draws Losses Win % Points Points per game Source: Opta Norwich City August 2009-June 2012 38 12 11 15 31.6% 47 1.24 Aston Villa June 2012-February 2015 101 25 26 50 24.8% 101 1.00 MH here, Stoke City 30 May 2013 6 January 2018 200 71 48 81 35.5Even going by this most basic of things, find me the poster who said " i want us to sack Hughes & employ a guy with a worse record "? Why is it so wrong for some fans to want & expect better for our club, folk trotting round eulogizing Tony Pulis, telling us to be careful what we wish for.
We wanted better for our club, that is what " fans " called for & i for one am proud to stand among those who want more for us & do not think we should know our place.They may have wanted better but calling Hughes out has resulted in out of the frying pan and into the fire!
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Post by Pirate on Jan 15, 2018 15:32:05 GMT
You cannot bunch everything together & just say we asked for it, far to simplistic. What we called for in terms of first team manager only was MH to go as clearly his race was ran & somebody more capable of running the side to be bought in. Not what has happened, none of us could have imagined they would fill the position as they have, the appointment is not of the fans doing. PL record, Lambert's Premier League career Club Time Number of games Wins Draws Losses Win % Points Points per game Source: Opta Norwich City August 2009-June 2012 38 12 11 15 31.6% 47 1.24 Aston Villa June 2012-February 2015 101 25 26 50 24.8% 101 1.00 MH here, Stoke City 30 May 2013 6 January 2018 200 71 48 81 35.5Even going by this most basic of things, find me the poster who said " i want us to sack Hughes & employ a guy with a worse record "? Why is it so wrong for some fans to want & expect better for our club, folk trotting round eulogizing Tony Pulis, telling us to be careful what we wish for.
We wanted better for our club, that is what " fans " called for & i for one am proud to stand among those who want more for us & do not think we should know our place.They may have wanted better but calling Hughes out has resulted in out of the frying pan and into the fire! You are correct they may have, so how did one of the richest clubs in world football end up with this appointment? That isnt because we sacked Hughes, who lets not delude ourselves was taking us down anyway, its because we have made a right royal mess of hiring a successor. Did you think MH should manage the club until his final breath, at some point in the future we were going to have to find a new manager & i think it wasn't too much to expect us to come up with better than this.
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Post by santy on Jan 15, 2018 15:35:59 GMT
What do you mean “have for years”? How many years? What issues? We have consistently outperformed what our wage bill would predict, been way more successful than a Club with our crowd, catchment and international profile could expect for a decade and have Very strong finances. Benchmark our commercial revenue against the division and you will see we generate more than our peers on a like for like basis. Please provide evidence for what i believe is a lazy and ill-informed assertion Our commercial results are poor and have been since we got up. Our advertising strategy is lazy, piggy back on bet365 and don't diversify from there. The whole club is lazy really, like this appointment, lazy and unambitious. We're run like a Conference club. They have been happy to stick with a bloke who was flailing for two years, it was sheer arrogance to stick with him for how long they did and they're paying for it. Haven't checked the most recent set of accounts, but I like to use Southampton as the 'measuring stick' for things Stoke related, because everyone likes to wank themselves silly over Southampton. Stokes commercial income was greater than that of Southampton. Perhaps we're just a cheap day out and that's why (some season tickets in normal seats at Southampton are pushing edit: £700+ so imagine what a box must be) but the club is perhaps not as horrible at it as you might think. I was wrong with my £900 estimate, but here is it: www.dailyecho.co.uk/resources/images/6165843.jpg?type=articleLandscape
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 15:37:04 GMT
You’re right we don’t Utter contempt being shown by our owners....again Chin up Mary, go and bake us a nice victoria sponge cake to pick up morale a bit Too late for that mate I’m in full gurn mode Still not as embarrassing as Our club
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Post by nott1 on Jan 15, 2018 15:43:45 GMT
They may have wanted better but calling Hughes out has resulted in out of the frying pan and into the fire! You are correct they may have, so how did one of the richest clubs in world football end up with this appointment? That isnt because we sacked Hughes, who lets not delude ourselves was taking us down anyway, its because we have made a right royal mess of hiring a successor. Did you think MH should manage the club until his final breath, at some point in the future we were going to have to find a new manager & i think it wasn't too much to expect us to come up with better than this. He may have signed some decent players in the window and saved the situation, but we'll never know now.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Jan 15, 2018 15:50:04 GMT
It's all so sad - so near yet so far - with QSF we were on the cusp of moving on with a good deal of hope and positivity and >80% of the fanbase well happy and raring to go - if it is true that QSF baulked at some miseley clause to chop his wages if we gor relegated then we will look back on this as one of the most monumental fuck-ups in the clubs recent history.
.....and having looked like a progressive club looking for a fresh outlook we quickly revert to type and the old British dinasaurs at the first set back - the board should have held their nerve and kep the search going for a couple or 3 weeks - we would have done no worse than recently with no permanent manager - anyhow all academic now. I just dread what the rection of an already unconvinced fanbase should we follow a hammering no doubt tonight with a defeat against Huddersfield......
What a crock of shit we have made for ourselves - the roots of which lay in failure to act swiftly & decisively during May last year.....it wasn't "loyalty" just laziness and complacency on the owners part. No they (and we) will pay the price......
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 15:52:17 GMT
You are correct they may have, so how did one of the richest clubs in world football end up with this appointment? That isnt because we sacked Hughes, who lets not delude ourselves was taking us down anyway, its because we have made a right royal mess of hiring a successor. Did you think MH should manage the club until his final breath, at some point in the future we were going to have to find a new manager & i think it wasn't too much to expect us to come up with better than this. He may have signed some decent players in the window and saved the situation, but we'll never know now. Our goal difference is -24 after he spent over £20m on the defence. He wasn’t turning anything around.
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Post by Kjones9 on Jan 15, 2018 15:52:49 GMT
These so called fans don't deserve our football club. Who the hell would buy us? It's not going to be as simple as the complete fuck knuckle op will have you believe. Just a bunch of Jonny come lately, sky sports/football manager generation fucktards. You surely can't be happy with the appointment of Lambert though, the club has shown zero ambition yet again. Don't be silly, who would be happy with Lambert? I wasn't happy with Pulis nor Hughes either. If this article is true regarding Sanchez Flores, do you blame them? sportwitness.co.uk/stoke-asked-sign-e20m-espanyol-player-get-qsf-manager-wanted-much/I'm not acting like a 3 year old lashing out at everyone because I can't get my own way though. The current board deserve a bit of leeway as their appointments have been great for our club.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 15:54:37 GMT
You surely can't be happy with the appointment of Lambert though, the club has shown zero ambition yet again. Don't be silly, who would be happy with Lambert? I wasn't happy with Pulis nor Hughes either. If this article is true regarding Sanchez Flores, do you blame them? sportwitness.co.uk/stoke-asked-sign-e20m-espanyol-player-get-qsf-manager-wanted-much/I'm not acting like a 3 year old lashing out at everyone because I can't get my own way though. The current board deserve a bit of leeway as their appointments have been great for our club. I’m just struggling to understand how we have ended up in this position.
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Post by redstriper on Jan 15, 2018 15:54:59 GMT
I'm far less annoyed with the board than I am with a bunch of toxic clueless individuals on here who call themselves supporters but never have a positive word about anything relating to SCFC.
If you think you're a force for change for the better you're deluded.
Probably time to change your hobby, or just go support Man City and their faceless foreign owners.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 15, 2018 15:55:49 GMT
I'm far less annoyed with the board than I am with a bunch of toxic clueless individuals on here who call themselves supporters but never have a positive word about anything relating to SCFC. If you think you're a force for change for the better you're deluded. Probably time to change your hobby, or just go support Man City and their faceless foreign owners. Man City's owners have been absolutely brilliant for them. Piss poor choice!
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Post by nott1 on Jan 15, 2018 15:57:42 GMT
Don't be silly, who would be happy with Lambert? I wasn't happy with Pulis nor Hughes either. If this article is true regarding Sanchez Flores, do you blame them? sportwitness.co.uk/stoke-asked-sign-e20m-espanyol-player-get-qsf-manager-wanted-much/I'm not acting like a 3 year old lashing out at everyone because I can't get my own way though. The current board deserve a bit of leeway as their appointments have been great for our club. I’m just struggling to understand how we have ended up in this position. Because of the "fans" campaign!
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Post by shrewspotter on Jan 15, 2018 15:58:13 GMT
true I guess, but I just think he's put his heart and sole into this club....not reason enough I know Maybe he should hand over the reigns Fucking hell shrews
ever heard the phrase --- he used to be indecisive but now he's not so sure
never seen anyone change tack so quick !!!!
haha I just like Coates and don't blame him although maybe some are right and he should move aside for jonathan
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jan 15, 2018 15:58:28 GMT
So if Lambert keeps us up.....you'll all stay away next season?
Coates and Co have their faults, that is obvious and they deliberated far too long in not letting Hughes go, and indeed have made a saga of appointing a successor but they are about the two mistakes I can count that they have made in our PL era. The sacked Pulis at the right time, appointed Hughes who most had a similar reaction to Lambert about who then delivered 2 and half seasons of generally enjoyable football.
If people genuinely don't want to go, it's their prerogative, but I find it sad that people are writing Lambert off before a game.
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Post by Onneravineet on Jan 15, 2018 16:00:17 GMT
Fuck me, bollocks Coates out Bayern. The guy hasn’t even managed his first game for SCFC. We tried for QSF and failed. Lambert wanted this from the off. He gets my backing, welcome Paul. Mr Coates will back his man. Just because we haven’t got QSF doesn’t undermine the ambitious plans that we were all excited to hear about. Lambert got fuck all backing at Villa and had the remit to sort out a shambles of a squad at a shambles of a club. Right now I am happier with Lambert than I was with Hughes and we went on the play the best football I have seen in my time supporting Stoke. GOOOOOOAAAAARRRRRN STOKE
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 16:02:06 GMT
I’m just struggling to understand how we have ended up in this position. Because of the "fans" campaign! Nonsense.
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Post by nott1 on Jan 15, 2018 16:04:37 GMT
Because of the "fans" campaign! Nonsense. Caused panic in the boardroom and desperate decisions.
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Post by redstriper on Jan 15, 2018 16:04:42 GMT
I'm far less annoyed with the board than I am with a bunch of toxic clueless individuals on here who call themselves supporters but never have a positive word about anything relating to SCFC. If you think you're a force for change for the better you're deluded. Probably time to change your hobby, or just go support Man City and their faceless foreign owners. Man City's owners have been absolutely brilliant for them. Piss poor choice! It's piss poor understanding on your part. You would still be moaning if we were second in he table so they are your only option. Personally I prefer us being owned by someone who has supported the club for sixty years or so, provides local jobs, understands the game, is well respected and is actually English. if they and Man City are so brilliant, off you go then...
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 15, 2018 16:07:00 GMT
Fuck me, bollocks Coates out Bayern. The guy hasn’t even managed his first game for SCFC. We tried for QSF and failed. Lambert wanted this from the off. He gets my backing, welcome Paul. Mr Coates will back his man. Just because we haven’t got QSF doesn’t undermine the ambitious plans that we were all excited to hear about. Lambert got fuck all backing at Villa and had the remit to sort out a shambles of a squad at a shambles of a club. Right now I am happier with Lambert than I was with Hughes and we went on the play the best football I have seen in my time supporting Stoke. GOOOOOOAAAAARRRRRN STOKE Lambert has my full support. The board don't.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 16:07:59 GMT
Caused panic in the boardroom and desperate decisions. The decisions should have been made months earlier before it got to that, and while suitable candidates were still available.
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Post by nott1 on Jan 15, 2018 16:09:42 GMT
Caused panic in the boardroom and desperate decisions. The decisions should have been made months earlier before it got to that, and while suitable candidates were still available. If you say so.
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