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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 13:32:55 GMT
In all honesty I think if MON walks in that dressing room the players will have confidence him that he will get the job done. Long term I would fear but as things stand we are not in a place to be too picky!
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 13, 2018 13:33:07 GMT
O Neill is every bit as longball as Allardyce. Well I've watched his football for 30 years and it never has been long ball. What he does with N. Ireland and half the old Stoke squad is a matter of necessity. He was long ball literally everywhere. Ask the Villa fans. He’s had a target man at every single club he’s managed, from Heskey to Hartson to Carew.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 13:33:44 GMT
But you just tried to sell a guy who drives a Ferrari a Cortina Mk4 of a club owned by a dinosaur. IMAGE IMAGE IMAGE I keep on about it. This is what has to change. MON is a good second hand car dealer with a rusty Jag that he earned when he was younger. He has some credit with older fans who remember his good period. I would take him before, Sam Lomgball Allardyce, Roy Bodgeup Hodgson, David Dour Moyes, Carlos who Carvalhal and Alan Brighton Beach Pardew. He loves criminology and has an OBE ... he is not a bad bloke if he comes he is probably better than we deserve. O Neill is every bit as longball as Allardyce. Berahino can pack his bags and Crouchie can see his name first every week on the team sheet then Ooooh 😱😲😟
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 13:35:13 GMT
Well I've watched his football for 30 years and it never has been long ball. What he does with N. Ireland and half the old Stoke squad is a matter of necessity. He was long ball literally everywhere. Ask the Villa fans. He’s had a target man at every single club he’s managed, from Heskey to Hartson to Carew. We need a new Carew because at present we ain't only have one first team coach on the books 😁😁
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 13:36:00 GMT
It's the equivalent of us trying to buy a Ferrari and settling for a Nissan Micra. All these stories over the last week about us trying to bring in a flamboyant new manager with money to spend and a 5 year plan. Surely if it's fallen through our backup plan should be someone similar. A manager with charisma, fresh ideas and attractive to players. To make do with an O'Neill or Bilic will say a lot about what the Board really want. You cant go from big ideas with a promise to spend to a stop gap with loans without the fans being suspicious that the initial option was just a ploy to make the fans think we're being ambitious when it simply isn't the case. The idea of having QSF really gave a lot of hope to fans now we'll just feel sunk again. Scholes out!!! before he causes any more damage to our great club. For the board it's a business thing. I think QSF was the man John Coates believed in. MON is Peter Coates' man. So now that plan A has failed, the logical step from a pure business sense is to go for plan B. Unrelated, but I see Alan Curbishley has finally made the list at 100-1. Hasn't managed a club for 10 years, could he be next in line, when MON turns down the offer? Just kidding.
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Post by malisastokie on Jan 13, 2018 13:37:19 GMT
My concern isn’t that O’Neil would be a disappointment after showing interest in Rowett and chasing QFS.
My concern is we we look like we walked him down the aisle mid week and then an old girlfriend turned up and we dump for some pretty thing from Spain.
If all the press this week has been somewhere near the mark then if I were O’Neil I would make it a trifecta and join Rowett and QFS and say thanks but no thanks.
Hughes words might be right , who else is going to do the job
The timing of Hughes dismissal if they did not have a replacement is beyond belief.
What players in their right minds are going to come to club who can’t attract a manager ?
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Post by sportsman on Jan 13, 2018 13:40:41 GMT
I didn’t say that no. You seemed to be suggesting QSF would be this gung ho fancy dan. He’s just as much about organisation. No, I was suggesting he'd be more of a risk. Who do you think would settle straight into the area quicker, MON or QSF? Who do you think maybe have more off field issues short term and long term, like his Mrs,family etc? Who do you think knows the current premier league better to hit the ground running? Who do you think could get his message over to the players in a no nonsense way quicker?
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Post by sportsman on Jan 13, 2018 13:41:09 GMT
In all honesty I think if MON walks in that dressing room the players will have confidence him that he will get the job done. Long term I would fear but as things stand we are not in a place to be too picky! In a nutshell
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Post by Sfance on Jan 13, 2018 13:42:04 GMT
It's all very puzzling . . .
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Post by slicko on Jan 13, 2018 13:43:42 GMT
Has Bilic definitely said no?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 13, 2018 13:47:09 GMT
I didn’t say that no. You seemed to be suggesting QSF would be this gung ho fancy dan. He’s just as much about organisation. No, I was suggesting he'd be more of a risk. Who do you think would settle straight into the area quicker, MON or QSF? Who do you think maybe have more off field issues short term and long term, like his Mrs,family etc? Who do you think knows the current premier league better to hit the ground running? Who do you think could get his message over to the players in a no nonsense way quicker? He’d have been coming from Spain, not Mars. He’s lived and managed in England before. And he’d be walking into a dressing room that’s cosmopolitan, not 11 lads from Chell Heath who’ve never heard a foreign accent before. Plenty of good managers have come in mid-season to this position and made an instant impact. O’Neill might struggle more with the message given at Sunderland he looked like the world penny farthing race champion had accidentally time travelled and found himself at the Monaco Grand Prix.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 13, 2018 13:47:27 GMT
Has Bilic definitely said no? Christ let’s hope so.
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Post by eddy on Jan 13, 2018 13:47:50 GMT
I doubt MON would agree to a short term deal - so if we are set on him it would likely be a several year deal I suppose? I'd rather give Charlie a go for the rest of the season than be saddled with MON for the foreseeable tbh
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Post by lancer on Jan 13, 2018 13:48:30 GMT
In all honesty I think if MON walks in that dressing room the players will have confidence him that he will get the job done. Long term I would fear but as things stand we are not in a place to be too picky! In a nutshell My worry is that no matter who walks into the dressing room, we don't have the players to get us out of the trouble we are in.
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Post by stokiejoe on Jan 13, 2018 13:48:38 GMT
Very disappointed if we get MON for other than a temporary deal and appoint long term in summer. Prefer to keep Eddie.
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Post by professorplump on Jan 13, 2018 13:51:08 GMT
I wonder if MON would be more of a popular choice if his name was Mario Onelli. The board have a choice now. Do they chase after another sexy continental who could excite the fans but may take another week to land, with no guarantee of success while the transfer window ticks down, or do they go for the tried and tested in O'Neill. MON might not even want the job now he knows that he is only 2nd choice at best, and if he reads social media then he will know that he has little support from the fans. If he is still interested then he will probably want the same sort of deal that was offered to QSF. This has been a humiliation for John Coates and I think Peter will pull rank on the next decision.
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Post by pavel on Jan 13, 2018 13:51:55 GMT
It's the equivalent of us trying to buy a Ferrari and settling for a Nissan Micra. All these stories over the last week about us trying to bring in a flamboyant new manager with money to spend and a 5 year plan. Surely if it's fallen through our backup plan should be someone similar. A manager with charisma, fresh ideas and attractive to players. To make do with an O'Neill or Bilic will say a lot about what the Board really want. You cant go from big ideas with a promise to spend to a stop gap with loans without the fans being suspicious that the initial option was just a ploy to make the fans think we're being ambitious when it simply isn't the case. The idea of having QSF really gave a lot of hope to fans now we'll just feel sunk again. Scholes out!!! before he causes any more damage to our great club. I've said this in another thread, it's bonkers and shows the club haven't got a long term vision of where they want to take the club and how to get there. It smacks of muddled thinking, amateurism and make do and mend, stumbling along without a laid out policy or plan. As you say we should should be looking for someone similar and would be if we were being professional.
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Post by wuzza on Jan 13, 2018 13:53:26 GMT
Sorry you’ve got this the wrong way round - what has he achieved compared to O’Neill ? Mass hysteria because the bloke looks a bit trendy and has an exotic name! I think in the modern era image can get you a long way particularly where attracting players is concerned. This was proven with Hughes when he first joined. Can you see Shaq or Bojan signing for TP. I just don't see MON attracting decent players especially if he's only here for 5 months. It's the whole package not just records. If we insult him with a 5 months contract offer you can forget it anyway - he won’t be coming.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 13, 2018 13:53:40 GMT
I wonder if MON would be more of a popular choice if his name was Mario Onelli. The board have a choice now. Do they chase after another sexy continental who could excite the fans but may take another week to land, with no guarantee of success while the transfer window ticks down, or do they go for the tried and tested in O'Neill. MON might not even want the job now he knows that he is only 2nd choice at best, and if he reads social media then he will know that he has little support from the fans. If he is still interested then he will probably want the same sort of deal that was offered to QSF. This has been a humiliation for John Coates and I think Peter will pull rank on the next decision. If he was really ‘tried and tested’ I don’t think too many would object. It’s that it’s been a long time since he looked like a decent option in club management.
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Post by wuzza on Jan 13, 2018 13:57:51 GMT
Sorry you’ve got this the wrong way round - what has he achieved compared to O’Neill ? Mass hysteria because the bloke looks a bit trendy and has an exotic name! Don't forget that beard. Its a belter! No worries - Keano has got the beard angle covered!
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Post by professorplump on Jan 13, 2018 14:00:13 GMT
I wonder if MON would be more of a popular choice if his name was Mario Onelli. The board have a choice now. Do they chase after another sexy continental who could excite the fans but may take another week to land, with no guarantee of success while the transfer window ticks down, or do they go for the tried and tested in O'Neill. MON might not even want the job now he knows that he is only 2nd choice at best, and if he reads social media then he will know that he has little support from the fans. If he is still interested then he will probably want the same sort of deal that was offered to QSF. This has been a humiliation for John Coates and I think Peter will pull rank on the next decision. If he was really ‘tried and tested’ I don’t think too many would object. It’s that it’s been a long time since he looked like a decent option in club management. People were saying the same thing about David Moyes a couple of months ago.
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Post by sportsman on Jan 13, 2018 14:01:56 GMT
No, I was suggesting he'd be more of a risk. Who do you think would settle straight into the area quicker, MON or QSF? Who do you think maybe have more off field issues short term and long term, like his Mrs,family etc? Who do you think knows the current premier league better to hit the ground running? Who do you think could get his message over to the players in a no nonsense way quicker? He’d have been coming from Spain, not Mars. He’s lived and managed in England before. And he’d be walking into a dressing room that’s cosmopolitan, not 11 lads from Chell Heath who’ve never heard a foreign accent before. Plenty of good managers have come in mid-season to this position and made an instant impact. O’Neill might struggle more with the message given at Sunderland he looked like the world penny farthing race champion had accidentally time travelled and found himself at the Monaco Grand Prix. Spain or UK, I know who I think would settle the quicker. The fruit cake has already changed his mind overnight, probably because of his Mrs. Imagine if he'd been here a week and then his Mrs was giving his ear ache? Yeh he could say go and spend some of that wedge of money shopping, but it's not Spain is it, no matter where she goes. So yes, might as well be mars.
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Post by stokemark on Jan 13, 2018 14:03:21 GMT
after Flores getting O'Neil will be like winning the lottery only to find its one of those weeks where 20000 others all have the same number as you
What a load of fucking shit
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 13, 2018 14:04:35 GMT
If he was really ‘tried and tested’ I don’t think too many would object. It’s that it’s been a long time since he looked like a decent option in club management. People were saying the same thing about David Moyes a couple of months ago. People are talking about Moyes now as if he’s the second coming of Rinus Michaels. He’s done better than the rock-bottom expectations that existed of him. They have two more points than we do. He’s won three of 11 games. They’re still right in the mix.
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Post by stokemark on Jan 13, 2018 14:06:03 GMT
He’d have been coming from Spain, not Mars. He’s lived and managed in England before. And he’d be walking into a dressing room that’s cosmopolitan, not 11 lads from Chell Heath who’ve never heard a foreign accent before. Plenty of good managers have come in mid-season to this position and made an instant impact. O’Neill might struggle more with the message given at Sunderland he looked like the world penny farthing race champion had accidentally time travelled and found himself at the Monaco Grand Prix. Spain or UK, I know who I think would settle the quicker. The fruit cake has already changed his mind overnight, probably because of his Mrs. Imagine if he'd been here a week and then his Mrs was giving his ear ache? Yeh he could say go and spend some of that wedge of money shopping, but it's not Spain is it, no matter where she goes. So yes, might as well be mars. I am trying to see the positives in this but desperately struggling- the fact that QSF clearly of questionable character is the only one I can cling to BUT I still can't get over what a right royal fuck up we have made of this whole sorry saga (in fact the last 18 months or so)
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 13, 2018 14:07:52 GMT
He’d have been coming from Spain, not Mars. He’s lived and managed in England before. And he’d be walking into a dressing room that’s cosmopolitan, not 11 lads from Chell Heath who’ve never heard a foreign accent before. Plenty of good managers have come in mid-season to this position and made an instant impact. O’Neill might struggle more with the message given at Sunderland he looked like the world penny farthing race champion had accidentally time travelled and found himself at the Monaco Grand Prix. Spain or UK, I know who I think would settle the quicker. The fruit cake has already changed his mind overnight, probably because of his Mrs. Imagine if he'd been here a week and then his Mrs was giving his ear ache? Yeh he could say go and spend some of that wedge of money shopping, but it's not Spain is it, no matter where she goes. So yes, might as well be mars. Behave yourself, these are football men, they’re constantly moving and he’s lived in England before. Nobody would ever sign anyone from overseas ever if it was the unassailable, impossible task you’re suggesting. She seemed to cope ok the last time they were living here.
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Post by rawli on Jan 13, 2018 14:08:00 GMT
This is like when England announced they had Scholari only for him to turn them down. They then got McLaren and had the brass neck to say he was first choice.
It didn't end brilliantly.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 14:09:01 GMT
He’d have been coming from Spain, not Mars. He’s lived and managed in England before. And he’d be walking into a dressing room that’s cosmopolitan, not 11 lads from Chell Heath who’ve never heard a foreign accent before. Plenty of good managers have come in mid-season to this position and made an instant impact. O’Neill might struggle more with the message given at Sunderland he looked like the world penny farthing race champion had accidentally time travelled and found himself at the Monaco Grand Prix. Spain or UK, I know who I think would settle the quicker. The fruit cake has already changed his mind overnight, probably because of his Mrs. Imagine if he'd been here a week and then his Mrs was giving his ear ache?
Yeh he could say go and spend some of that wedge of money shopping, but it's not Spain is it, no matter where she goes. So yes, might as well be mars. A week...a bloody week . What jammy git gets a wife that only gives you ear ache after a week. Mine starts at 9am and stops at 10pm daily
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Post by GoBoks on Jan 13, 2018 14:12:18 GMT
No, I was suggesting he'd be more of a risk. Who do you think would settle straight into the area quicker, MON or QSF? Who do you think maybe have more off field issues short term and long term, like his Mrs,family etc? Who do you think knows the current premier league better to hit the ground running? Who do you think could get his message over to the players in a no nonsense way quicker? He’d have been coming from Spain, not Mars. He’s lived and managed in England before. And he’d be walking into a dressing room that’s cosmopolitan, not 11 lads from Chell Heath who’ve never heard a foreign accent before. Plenty of good managers have come in mid-season to this position and made an instant impact. O’Neill might struggle more with the message given at Sunderland he looked like the world penny farthing race champion had accidentally time travelled and found himself at the Monaco Grand Prix. Maybe part of QSF's decision is precisely because he has worked in England before? Where would you rather be in the middle of January?
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Post by thevoid on Jan 13, 2018 14:12:26 GMT
O'Neill would have been a great appointment....20 years ago.
The game's moved on.
Still, he lost his last match 5-1 so he'd probably fit in here.
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