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Post by likelyladgalizmo on Jan 2, 2018 12:57:09 GMT
Dick Advocaat till the end of the season. Maybe not he joined Sparta over xmas.
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Post by chell_rosey on Jan 2, 2018 12:57:53 GMT
Don't think Spinks has been given a steer there though but rather he's just narrowing down the options using the same criteria as we have done on here. Absolutely. It seems like they are only today putting a list of candidates together. I would say the Gordon Strachan would be a candidate on a short term deal. Strachan effectively just did a fire fighting job with scotland.They were getting thrashed and he instantly got them disciplined and grinding out results. He is vastly experienced. We cannot be fussy, I would take an experienced head like strachan to the end of the season. Strachan is a man who gets respect from his players and will prevent us leaking goals. He will need to be allowed to bring in a couple of new faces as will anyone Charlie wouldn't be happy with Strachan...
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Post by mrred on Jan 2, 2018 12:58:13 GMT
We signed our own death warrant by not sacking Hughes last season. Anyone with half a functioning brain could see the way we'd go this season with him in charge. Would have had a far stronger set of options at the end of last season and I believe Dyche would have come then, he won't mid way through a season.
This is result of dawdling and dithering. Complete fucking shambles of a club.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 2, 2018 12:58:38 GMT
It's obvious they aren't going to get the kind of candidates you might be able to get in the summer to come now, especially if they're doing well.
Dyche or Wagner would need their heads testing - especially if we weren't offering a massive wage increase and massive transfer kitty.
But can't believe they don't think the option of sticking with Hughes didn't disappear over the hills and far away yesterday.
There's no way back for him now and he's a hindrance to club unity. We need any kind of fresh voice in, even if it's not an A-lister or B-lister, and even if it's on a 6-month deal.
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Post by crownmeking on Jan 2, 2018 12:58:47 GMT
If he leaves of his own accord, he gets nothing, if he is sacked, he gets a large settlement. What would you do? If I had an ounce of dignity I'd offer my resignation and try and secure an exit package. True. Not sure how much dignity comes into it, when 6+mill is at steak. Hughes might consider that money his last big payday for a while, so could be a reason he's holding out.
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Post by mcw on Jan 2, 2018 13:01:36 GMT
Not a single person mentioned is going to touch this job with a barge pole: - Massive pay to entice them- No - Large funds to invest in Jan window- No - Squad has potential and confidence can be mended- No, slow, ageing, gaps in key areas. Basically Hughes is pretty spot on by saying "who else is going to do it". Only change will be an up and coming manager, unproven at this level and then an acceptance that relegation is probably on the cards and we are rebuilding for the future.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jan 2, 2018 13:01:39 GMT
That is just a speculative re hash of the spinks article, which is also mainly speculation. What seems clear though is there hasn't been any planning until now, and suddenly they are trying to come up with names
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Post by xchpotter on Jan 2, 2018 13:01:43 GMT
Hardly a surprise if the board does stick with Hughes....just further evidence of their incompetence. Makes you wonder if the reason they won't go for a proper, bigger name manager is because he will very quickly work them out to be the fuckwits and charlatans they are.
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Post by nutterpotter on Jan 2, 2018 13:06:10 GMT
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Post by estp1863 on Jan 2, 2018 13:06:19 GMT
He'd be assistant & in the training field taking coaching And the evidence that he’s any good on the coaching field is... O Neill has kept Him after head hunting him. I'd imagine He'd learned a thing or two in his time at man Utd. I'm damned sure he shits all over Bowen with what we have been serving up.
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Post by Cast no shadow on Jan 2, 2018 13:07:53 GMT
Hot off the press ey sky!
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Post by scfcno1fan on Jan 2, 2018 13:07:55 GMT
That independent article is scary
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Post by thisfootballclub on Jan 2, 2018 13:08:05 GMT
I'm not a fan of Keane either. But I think someone like that shaking up the dressing room is exactly what we need right now. I agree but I'm guessing some of the bunch we have now wouldn't respond well to his style of management and short-term could make things worse.
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Post by estp1863 on Jan 2, 2018 13:11:14 GMT
I'm not a fan of Keane either. But I think someone like that shaking up the dressing room is exactly what we need right now. I agree but I'm guessing some of the bunch we have now wouldn't respond well to his style of management and short-term could make things worse. They'll be sent packing in the summer, Keane won't be afraid to deal with big time Charlie's or any 'names'. He'll sort the wheat from the chaff, I'm sure
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 2, 2018 13:11:39 GMT
3rd Welshman in a row? Giggs? You just know we'll be the idiots who finally give him a chance and we end up going down. It wouldn’t matter if it was busby and shankly in their prime , with no investment and scholes in charge we are young down . The manager pool we are in will only make it worse , the lynch mob will have their hour in the sun and repent at leisure
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 2, 2018 13:13:22 GMT
Shortage of candidates? There wasn't a Month ago when the board failed to Act! I want Scholes and cartwright gone too. Spot on they should be the bulls eye targets for the gathering Lynch mob
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2018 13:14:20 GMT
That is just a speculative re hash of the spinks article, which is also mainly speculation. What seems clear though is there hasn't been any planning until now, and suddenly they are trying to come up with names Which in itself doesn't attract any manager worth his salt. Arrogance, complacency and utter contempt.
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Post by lordb on Jan 2, 2018 13:14:35 GMT
right now, given the chairman's blinkered 'prem experience only' (& strong preference for British) criteria I think (till end of season) this would be the best possible choice certainly better than the other names who fit that bill (ruling out expensive types like Koeman,Mancini e.t.c.) desperate times come the summer the old man needs to step down & let his son do the job.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 2, 2018 13:16:05 GMT
Ceo definition key recruitment and succession planning another item for the crime sheet , there should be one sacking this morning for sure
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 2, 2018 13:16:35 GMT
right now, given the chairman's blinkered 'prem experience only' (& strong preference for British) criteria I think (till end of season) this would be the best possible choice certainly better than the other names who fit that bill (ruling out expensive types like Koeman,Mancini e.t.c.) desperate times come the summer the old man needs to step down & let his son do the job. I think I'd take him, lord. But his CV has been a shitshow since early Villa. He still thinks a motivational teamtalk is the cure for anything.
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Post by scfcwebby on Jan 2, 2018 13:16:39 GMT
Sky with their finger on the pulse as usual
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Post by Pirate on Jan 2, 2018 13:17:23 GMT
We do not not for a certainty that there have not been discussions on potential managers before now, if he is fired today then lets see how long a new appointment takes, that may give us some true indication as to the level of thought the issue had already been given.
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Post by lordb on Jan 2, 2018 13:20:02 GMT
right now, given the chairman's blinkered 'prem experience only' (& strong preference for British) criteria I think (till end of season) this would be the best possible choice certainly better than the other names who fit that bill (ruling out expensive types like Koeman,Mancini e.t.c.) desperate times come the summer the old man needs to step down & let his son do the job. I think I'd take him, lord. But his CV has been a shitshow since early Villa. He still thinks a motivational teamtalk is the cure for anything. he was rubbish at Sunderland for sure done OK at Ireland (with horrible football) as I say it's desperate stuff however he would be bale to come in & make decisions quickly e.t.c. certainly better option that the scotsman who has been mentioned I'd be happier if he nabbed Rowett from Derby but doesn't fit Coates criteria ( ) & of course he might prefer to stay where he is.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 2, 2018 13:20:30 GMT
And the evidence that he’s any good on the coaching field is... O Neill has kept Him after head hunting him. I'd imagine He'd learned a thing or two in his time at man Utd. I'm damned sure he shits all over Bowen with what we have been serving up. We have a manager who ‘learned a thing or two at Man Utd’. It really doesn’t count for much.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2018 13:21:40 GMT
Martin O'Neill? Is this how desperate we are that we'd be happy with him?
Man alive. I need a serious lie down.
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Post by estp1863 on Jan 2, 2018 13:22:06 GMT
Not just until the end of the season stoke. 5 year deals, do it and get planning
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Post by lordb on Jan 2, 2018 13:23:38 GMT
We do not not for a certainty that there have not been discussions on potential managers before now, if he is fired today then lets see how long a new appointment takes, that may give us some true indication as to the level of thought the issue had already been given. yes if it takes a week (or weeks ) that will prove the point. If it's here's your new manager for Saturday (or Monday at the latest) then that will show otherwise
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 2, 2018 13:24:33 GMT
right now, given the chairman's blinkered 'prem experience only' (& strong preference for British) criteria I think (till end of season) this would be the best possible choice certainly better than the other names who fit that bill (ruling out expensive types like Koeman,Mancini e.t.c.) desperate times come the summer the old man needs to step down & let his son do the job. I think I'd take him, lord. But his CV has been a shitshow since early Villa. He still thinks a motivational teamtalk is the cure for anything. The only appeal of Martin O'Neil (to the club not me/us) is that he wouldn't have to give up his job with the ROI because they don't have a competitive fixture until August/September 2018, so a short term deal might be acceptable. In our situation, is an interim appointment a good one? These players, knowing the new manager won't be here beyond the end of the season, will have another excuse not to perform. If we do go short term appointment, I hope that isn't made clear and that to all intents and purposes the new manager is advertised as signing a longer term contract even if he hasn't. Do we still operate on the 1 year rolling contract basis so everyday the manager wakes up he has 12 months left on his contract?
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Post by nutterpotter on Jan 2, 2018 13:27:04 GMT
We've fucked it
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Post by lordb on Jan 2, 2018 13:27:41 GMT
Martin O'Neill? Is this how desperate we are that we'd be happy with him? Man alive. I need a serious lie down. yes to all that but that's where we are anyways he's better than the likes of Pearson, McLeish,Strachan e.t.c.
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