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Post by pavel on Jan 2, 2018 12:39:43 GMT
If true that just about sums up what a shambles of a club we are from top to bottom, indecisive, farcical and unable to think outside the box to consider a different way of doing things by trying foreign or up and coming, hungry and innovative coaches. Lazy arsed and regressive thinking!
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Post by estp1863 on Jan 2, 2018 12:39:59 GMT
He's got a winners mentality As a player, yes. As a manager, he's fucking useless. He'd be assistant & in the training field taking coaching
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 2, 2018 12:41:04 GMT
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Post by metalhead on Jan 2, 2018 12:41:27 GMT
That Keane managerial playbook in full: 1) Shout at everyone 2) Buy some crap ex Man U players 3) Buy some crap Irish players 4) Shout at everyone louder and call them a bollix Got Sunderland up.....
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Post by Beloved Monkfish on Jan 2, 2018 12:41:38 GMT
If true that just about sums up what a shambles of a club we are from top to bottom, indecisive, farcical and unable to think outside the box to consider a different way of doing things, foreign or up and coming, hungry and innovative coaches. Lazy arsed and regressive thinking! Board out!
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Post by onyourbonce on Jan 2, 2018 12:42:30 GMT
How can Rodgers Dyche and Wagner be considered not realistic if they don’t even test the water? Ffs penny pinching small time shit Are you suggesting they are both mentally ill? Because that is the only reason they'd consider coming here. Well I’ve named 3 for a start, so “both” isn’t right. And I’m merely saying that how can they be deemed unrealistic is we don’t try. Regardless of whether you think any of them would come or not
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Post by Sfance on Jan 2, 2018 12:43:20 GMT
Hard to see how much further we can slip down the table.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jan 2, 2018 12:44:11 GMT
I'd say it was probably right. Hughes knows the score - hence his " Well who else is going to do it?" retort at his post match interview. He also knows how much Coates pays and that very few will work in the Premier League for as little as he does. Koeman or Mancini won't work for Hughes salary and the likes of Wilder or Rowett are not going to leave clubs they have every chance of getting promoted with. With the dithering tight arses we have running the club he's fireproof
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Post by pavel on Jan 2, 2018 12:44:35 GMT
Hard to see how much further we can slip down the table. To true, utter madness.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jan 2, 2018 12:44:48 GMT
Are you suggesting they are both mentally ill? Because that is the only reason they'd consider coming here. Well I’ve named 3 for a start, so “both” isn’t right. And I’m merely saying that how can they be deemed unrealistic is we don’t try. Regardless of whether you think any of them would come or not I'm awfully sorry for not noticing 3 names, maybe due to the fact the first 2 were enough to make me think you're being very unrealistic.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 2, 2018 12:45:23 GMT
If Wagner and Dyche are our preferred targets who would be interested in coming at the end of any given season, the obvious answer is to stump up enough of an incentive, and compensation, to convince them that now is the right time. If they would leave at the end of a season, they obviously think, potentially, our club has more than their own so if that is the case, they would come if the incentive is correct. I doubt we would attract either manager in truth be it now, or at the end of the season...even less at the end of the season because as a Championship club about to lose all of its best players, we wouldn't be particularly appealing a prospect.
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Post by estp1863 on Jan 2, 2018 12:45:49 GMT
He's got to go Today, He's a dead man walking. He knows it, the players know it & the fans know it. Him staying is a ridicuously unhealthy situation.
He wants gone himself. Get him gone
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Post by supacoopa101 on Jan 2, 2018 12:46:33 GMT
I'm sorry but since when have David Wagner and Sean Dyche ever become viable options? One is leading his team to a lower mid table finish while playing high pressing, good football, even after people where saying they would finish rock bottom. And the other has taken a small club on a small budget to just outside the CL places. Why in god's name would they leave what they are building to come to a shit-show like our club?! It actually wouldn't surprise me if they have already enquired about replacements and all of them said "Go fuck yourself"
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Post by pottarius on Jan 2, 2018 12:47:17 GMT
This will end with coffees and worse thrown at Hughes, pitch invasions and relegation Its like falling into a worm hole and coming out 20years ago into a world of shit - how could the board ignore the obvious trends of the last 24months? Anyone got a thousand pickups, a thousand placards and twenty tins of red paint?
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Post by heworksardtho on Jan 2, 2018 12:47:56 GMT
3rd Welshman in a row? Giggs? You just know we'll be the idiots who finally give him a chance and we end up going down. Can giggs still play
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2018 12:49:53 GMT
Ian Abrahams stated that because of the miss-management from Hughes basically making the Newcastle a win or bust game after what he pulled against Chelsea he should be gone without consideration. He then went on to say Stoke should take a gamble on a young British manager shortlisting Gary Rowett, Lee Johnson, Chris Wilder and Dean Smith. It would be a massive gamble at this stage to employ one of these however if we do go down then Hughes' (or whoever is in charge), replacement should be on of these because they are the epitome of a modern day manager. Young, hungry with fresh new ideas that want to build a team and instill their own philosophy of football. I think that Hughes will stay on until the end of the season and regardless whether we by some miracle stay up or get relegated he will be gone! I personally want him out the door by tomorrow. Him being a west ham fan, would he be saying that if it was his club at this stage of the season? I think he's spot on with what he's saying. Well as far as Rowett is concerned anyway. He'd be my choice but he's got Derby flying at the minute so not even sure he'd be interested.
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Post by Block 22 on Jan 2, 2018 12:49:54 GMT
Wagner is far from premier league proven and I don’t see a great deal of difference between getting him in, in comparison to someone like say, Lee Johnson of Bristol City or Gary Rowett.
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Post by heworksardtho on Jan 2, 2018 12:50:02 GMT
If it’s a straight choice I’d rather MON without Keane than with him. Definitely. I'd prefer MON over Hughes at this moment - but really think MON is a busted flush - a man completely out of time. But I would be very fearful if that imbecile Keane came with him Is MON the same useless twat who managed Sunderland ??
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2018 12:50:13 GMT
Forfeiting a game to win against Newcastle and actually lose, him and Bowen having a go at the fans, saying who else is going to do this job says total disrespect to this club oh and the fans shouting Hughes out, he should have been sacked yesterday without a doubt😡 Fuming is a total understatement how I am feeling right now
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Post by chell_rosey on Jan 2, 2018 12:50:37 GMT
We're unwanted. Not surprising in current circumstances.
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Post by onyourbonce on Jan 2, 2018 12:51:16 GMT
Well I’ve named 3 for a start, so “both” isn’t right. And I’m merely saying that how can they be deemed unrealistic is we don’t try. Regardless of whether you think any of them would come or not I'm awfully sorry for not noticing 3 names, maybe due to the fact the first 2 were enough to make me think you're being very unrealistic. I’m quoting names from the article, just saying that they’ve been written off by the board already as unrealistic before we’ve even tried. Point being, not trying.
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Post by AlanHansen on Jan 2, 2018 12:51:32 GMT
Cannot believe it's past midday and he's still here. Madness. Keep him we are down.
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Post by crownmeking on Jan 2, 2018 12:51:35 GMT
He's got to go Today, He's a dead man walking. He knows it, the players know it & the fans know it. Him staying is a ridicuously unhealthy situation. He wants gone himself. Get him gone If he leaves of his own accord, he gets nothing, if he is sacked, he gets a large settlement. What would you do?
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Post by estp1863 on Jan 2, 2018 12:52:45 GMT
He's got to go Today, He's a dead man walking. He knows it, the players know it & the fans know it. Him staying is a ridicuously unhealthy situation. He wants gone himself. Get him gone If he leaves of his own accord, he gets nothing, if he is sacked, he gets a large settlement. What would you do? If I was him I'd continue the shit show so I'm pushed. If I was Coates He'd be gone today
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Post by Olgrligm on Jan 2, 2018 12:53:14 GMT
The various stories are basically saying what I said last night, and I think they're right.
Keeping Hughes two years ago after our post semi-final collapse was an understandable decision, but a poor one in hindsight.
Keeping Hughes and co. this summer was a bad decision. It was time for a change.
Standing by Hughes when able firefighters were snapped up by more decisive clubs, meaning that we missed the boat with Hodgson, Moyes and yes, even Pulis, was a very bad decision.
Sticking with Hughes after the West Ham debacle was a terrible decision.
Deciding to stick with Hughes and then having a complete volte face just two games later, on the first or second day of the January transfer window, without an alternative manager lined up, is a reckless, dangerous and nigh-on suicidal decision. Who's going to sign the players that we so desperately need? How are we going to convince a decent manager to join us? How do we avoid getting stuck with a no-hoper for several years, when we need to do a proper root and branch restructure in the summer?
Whether we agreed with the decision at the time or not, the board became totally wedded to Hughes when every other remotely palatable manager found themselves otherwise employed. To make the call now, long after the horse has bolted, would be a total dereliction of duty that would leave us completely hamstrung. Hughes has run his course, but we simply have to make sure that he's backed in this window in certain key positions and try to get through to the end of the end of the season. The option of sacking him disappeared last month.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jan 2, 2018 12:53:45 GMT
Don't think Spinks has been given a steer there though but rather he's just narrowing down the options using the same criteria as we have done on here. Absolutely. It seems like they are only today putting a list of candidates together. I would say the Gordon Strachan would be a candidate on a short term deal. Strachan effectively just did a fire fighting job with scotland.They were getting thrashed and he instantly got them disciplined and grinding out results. He is vastly experienced. We cannot be fussy, I would take an experienced head like strachan to the end of the season. Strachan is a man who gets respect from his players and will prevent us leaking goals. He will need to be allowed to bring in a couple of new faces as will anyone
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Post by maliciousdamage on Jan 2, 2018 12:54:02 GMT
That made me laugh when I read that, I've heard we made contact with him. I'm uncertain if he'd come it'll be down to money, same with Koeman and Van Gaal they are going to want a decent salary and transfer kitty to get back in the Premier League although you know they'd prefer to be plying their trade in it
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Post by AlanHansen on Jan 2, 2018 12:54:07 GMT
He's got to go Today, He's a dead man walking. He knows it, the players know it & the fans know it. Him staying is a ridicuously unhealthy situation. He wants gone himself. Get him gone If he leaves of his own accord, he gets nothing, if he is sacked, he gets a large settlement. What would you do? If I had an ounce of dignity I'd offer my resignation and try and secure an exit package.
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Post by crownmeking on Jan 2, 2018 12:55:52 GMT
If he leaves of his own accord, he gets nothing, if he is sacked, he gets a large settlement. What would you do? If I was him I'd continue the shit show so I'm pushed. If I was Coates He'd be gone today Me too. Coates knows the expense in firing a manager and hiring someone new, that's why I think he is holding on for dear life, but it's a dangerous game to play.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 2, 2018 12:57:07 GMT
As a player, yes. As a manager, he's fucking useless. He'd be assistant & in the training field taking coaching And the evidence that he’s any good on the coaching field is...
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