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Post by werrington on Jan 3, 2018 12:52:35 GMT
The deadly silence is speaking volumes, they’ve always come out and steadfastly supported him in the local media ....48 hours later and nothing He’s on borrowed time Do you think they can carry on to the weekend with complete silence though Mick? They can't seriously expect him to walk out at Coventry without there having been any word from the board. That’s the thing though mate and he himself must realise it’s all imploding on him They’ll be doing behind the scenes stuff now and both announcements will probably be 24 hours apart He’s no longer got a voice amongst the support ( even Pulis had that ) and once that happens there’s no going back The silence is the give away
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 12:55:39 GMT
Yes you would think so. Perhaps this is why replacing Hughes isn't so easy for them. When the transfer team was formed, they all spoke about being smarter in the market, improving the scouting network and stealing a march on the competition. Any new manager will have to buy into that I suspect and I can't see a manager worth his salt coming into a club in our position and not wanting his own people...players and staff. I believe that our team is hamstrung by mistakes of the transfer team and it is probably also true that our search for a new manager is being hamstrung by the same band of merry men. I just want them to get on with it now Dave. Either publicly back Hughes and support him financially or sack him and bring in a new guy who they're prepared to support. Each day of dithering that goes by just eats into the transfer window, whoever the manager is going to be, one thing is certain, if we're going to have any chance of staying up, then we're going to need some new players this window. Just make a bloody decision Stoke. We should have signings in the building by now Paul. It was so obvious after September just how short we were in certain positions, and the time between then and now should have been spent nailing down those signings ready for the start of this window. No more excuses about waiting and watching etc. Pay the money, get it done. As this is shaping up it will turn into one big excuse to not do one or the other ie. yet again, do it on the cheap. It stinks, absolutely stinks of lazy, arrogant management.
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Post by canadianmoose on Jan 3, 2018 12:58:50 GMT
“The transfer team” appears to consist of Cartwright sitting at a desk watching SSN and sending scouts to whoever our PL rivals are watching. I still think his database is football manager. Scholes and Cartwright have been playing “moneyball” with this club......and losing.
If Hughes has to go, Cartwright needs to follow too. As do the scouts. Scholes is also culpable, especially as it seems the recruitment policy and Cartwright in particular are his idea.
Stoke city can not afford to waste 50 million on players who have the wrong attitude or aren’t simply good enough.
if Imbula had been the only expensive failure I could look past it but there is 3 high profile, expensive cockups not to mention the myriad of cheaper options who weren’t good enough for premier league football.
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Post by stokief on Jan 3, 2018 13:05:12 GMT
What I can't get my head around is that by sticking with him but saying it's cause there's nobody else (as he himself reminds us )means that no decent player in their right mind will join us this window and quite obviously the lot we've got have no idea how to get us out of this feck up! So, we're just getting relegated then we'll have to let him go cause he certainly isn't the man to try to get us back up? All makes no sense at all sadly. Unless the keeping him on 'til after the Coventry defeat means behind the scenes we're working on the replacement and his sidekicks, the players get told in advance , everyone says their goodbyes and nobody within reason gets to look like a to$$er? nah! I've read my own post back and decided the latter scenario as nice as it would be is too fairytale for SCFC
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Post by Rick Grimes on Jan 3, 2018 13:09:37 GMT
Not Carvahlo, Dave. We're not going to spend that sort of dosh. I hate to admit it, but Jezza's constant shout for M'Vila is a decent one. Not a massive fee, although his wages would be biggish. He's shown he's up for a scrap at Sunderland but he's a 'character' and may cause problems. Opare is the fellow for both full back positions and Jese either needs to step up or step out of the door, enabling us to add some pace. For now, I'd stick with Diouf up top and keep on flanking him with Choupo and Shaqiri. I can't see any other scenario where we trying anything other than a semblance of skill, pace and power up top, backed by a three in midfield, one of whom needs to be a new powerhouse. The third member of the trio can be one of Cameron, Fletcher, Afellay and Adam and at last, magically, we have options. A new, younger defensive midfielder with just Aleen, also enables us to go for it with an extra attacker at any one time. A 3 man midfield has to be the answer for us, certainly for the moment. I've been torn as to who is the lesser liability in our team (fletcher or Wimmer) but after Monday, I'd bring play Fletcher rather than Wimmer, which means Cameron fills in at the back until one of the key men are fit and then steps into midfield until we sign another. We have to field our biggest, most physical and quickest team moving over the next few weeks which means a midfield 3 of Fletcher, Allen and Adam and a front 3 of Ramadan, Diouf and Choupo. I'd leave Shaqiri out, as tough a decision as that is. Agree on the 3 man midfield but I'd still keep Shaqiri in the team over Ramadan.
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Post by lordb on Jan 3, 2018 13:10:51 GMT
I await the public statement declaring Hughes to be the best man for the job and that as a club we have every faith in him to turn things around. even if that's bollocks they have to say it to say nothing is the worst thing they can do whole thing is bonkers used to be a time when managers would resign when they know the game is up Rooster Russell or Adam/Fletcher/Crouch combo for Cov would have been acceptable before sorting new manager next week At the moment it looks like they don't know what to do. If Hughes isn't being sacked we still have to spend money ASAP regardless of any issues with that, not spending money simply not an option
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Post by Davef on Jan 3, 2018 13:13:36 GMT
“The transfer team” appears to consist of Cartwright sitting at a desk watching SSN and sending scouts to whoever our PL rivals are watching. I still think his database is football manager. Scholes and Cartwright have been playing “moneyball” with this club......and losing. If Hughes has to go, Cartwright needs to follow too. As do the scouts. Scholes is also culpable, especially as it seems the recruitment policy and Cartwright in particular are his idea. Stoke city can not afford to waste 50 million on players who have the wrong attitude or aren’t simply good enough. if Imbula had been the only expensive failure I could look past it but there is 3 high profile, expensive cockups not to mention the myriad of cheaper options who weren’t good enough for premier league football. www.skysports.com/football/news/11701/8322594/stoke-confirm-mark-cartwright-as-new-technical-directorFive years down the line (and that's a fair time span to judge something like this I reckon), it's pretty clear that it's been an almighty failure and heads need to roll. And if Pulis came out with that guff, I'm the King of Djibouti.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 3, 2018 13:14:40 GMT
Is Willian Carvelho (sp?) our midfield man? Is this right back fella from Germany the flexible full back friend we need which means he can cover for a clearly injured Erik Pieters in the first instance and switch over to the right when not needed on the left? Gives young Tom some games and also takes him out of the firing line on occasion. Can we get Ryan or BMI (or both) back fit for our next league fixture meaning Wimmer can disappear to the bench? Would their return prompt a return to 3 at the back and a return to form of Shaqiri? If we are stumbling along with the current manager, we can't stumble along with the current squad. We need reinforcements and we need them now. Not Carvahlo, Dave. We're not going to spend that sort of dosh. I hate to admit it, but Jezza's constant shout for M'Vila is a decent one. Not a massive fee, although his wages would be biggish. He's shown he's up for a scrap at Sunderland but he's a 'character' and may cause problems. Opare is the fellow for both full back positions and Jese either needs to step up or step out of the door, enabling us to add some pace. For now, I'd stick with Diouf up top and keep on flanking him with Choupo and Shaqiri. I can't see any other scenario where we trying anything other than a semblance of skill, pace and power up top, backed by a three in midfield, one of whom needs to be a new powerhouse. The third member of the trio can be one of Cameron, Fletcher, Afellay and Adam and at last, magically, we have options. A new, younger defensive midfielder with just Aleen, also enables us to go for it with an extra attacker at any one time. www.maxifoot.fr/football/article-34694.htmSt Etienne supposedly close to getting him, potentially on a free due to unpaid wages. www.boursorama.com/actualites/l1-asse-une-priorite-nommee-paul-georges-ntep-vfl-wolfsburg-95ae0095fb5f5a8a9255de95e4b15a3bAlthough those wages said to be 540,000 euros-a-month! St Etienne won't be getting anywhere near that though?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 13:15:32 GMT
“The transfer team” appears to consist of Cartwright sitting at a desk watching SSN and sending scouts to whoever our PL rivals are watching. I still think his database is football manager. Scholes and Cartwright have been playing “moneyball” with this club......and losing. If Hughes has to go, Cartwright needs to follow too. As do the scouts. Scholes is also culpable, especially as it seems the recruitment policy and Cartwright in particular are his idea. Stoke city can not afford to waste 50 million on players who have the wrong attitude or aren’t simply good enough. if Imbula had been the only expensive failure I could look past it but there is 3 high profile, expensive cockups not to mention the myriad of cheaper options who weren’t good enough for premier league football. It's like trying to get a wife of a dating site , they all look good but can they cook? I have never seen so many players that have totally failed to produce on the pitch with a myriad of excuses. They are the death knell for Mark Hughes, they are why the fans no longer have faith to give him a transfer kitty. How he has used misused those signings are the reason he has to go now. I like the man but he just can't cut it. If the board can't see that then God help us. We all suspect that he has had limited funds. But that just makes his wasting of what funds were available all the more inexcusable. The man has bought a saddle without checking to see if there was a horse in the stable first. Thanks for the great memories of Stokelona, we won't forget but now it's time to give someone else a go.
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Post by lordb on Jan 3, 2018 13:16:05 GMT
A 3 man midfield has to be the answer for us, certainly for the moment. I've been torn as to who is the lesser liability in our team (fletcher or Wimmer) but after Monday, I'd bring play Fletcher rather than Wimmer, which means Cameron fills in at the back until one of the key men are fit and then steps into midfield until we sign another. We have to field our biggest, most physical and quickest team moving over the next few weeks which means a midfield 3 of Fletcher, Allen and Adam and a front 3 of Ramadan, Diouf and Choupo. I'd leave Shaqiri out, as tough a decision as that is. Agree on the 3 man midfield but I'd still keep Shaqiri in the team over Ramadan. Shaqiri is easily our best outfield player but the last few games he has shown an alarming lack of appetite form comes & goes but if he really has given up (as it appears) that is a huge problem
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Post by pottarius on Jan 3, 2018 13:29:44 GMT
I still think hell be gone by Saturday! The board can't be this fucking stupid, they just can't be! Hope you’re right but I heard a rumor that he’s actually been given until the Watford game to turn this ship around (!) & 10M to spend this month I hope it’s BS but this outfit is seemingly capable of anything currently
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Post by hinckpotter on Jan 3, 2018 13:35:21 GMT
£10 million won't turn this around! Hughes won't turn this around!
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Post by stokemark on Jan 3, 2018 13:35:22 GMT
I still think hell be gone by Saturday! The board can't be this fucking stupid, they just can't be! Hope you’re right but I heard a rumor that he’s actually been given until the Watford game to turn this ship around (!) & 10M to spend this month I hope it’s BS but this outfit is seemingly capable of anything currently £10m ? That's going to make a huuuuuuuuuge difference
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Post by stokief on Jan 3, 2018 13:36:35 GMT
£10mill? Ok that's fine then! An avaerage league 1 player's on their way to us!
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Jan 3, 2018 13:36:47 GMT
I still think hell be gone by Saturday! The board can't be this fucking stupid, they just can't be! Hope you’re right but I heard a rumor that he’s actually been given until the Watford game to turn this ship around (!) & 10M to spend this month I hope it’s BS but this outfit is seemingly capable of anything currently 10 fucking million??? Well that should be enough to get us a dodgy Championship struggler in, or maybe even yet another mid 30s journeyman from a struggling Prem side who can't be arsed looking at his wrinkled face on their bench every week anymore. Fuck me!!! If that's all they're giving to sort our issues out, then it won't make a blind bit of difference who the manager is, we're fucked regardless! If that is true, then i wouldn't be at all surprised if Peter et al start to hear their names being included in chants during matchdays. Fucking livid if it turns out that's the sole extent of our transfer kitty!
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Post by chigstoke on Jan 3, 2018 13:38:35 GMT
I still think hell be gone by Saturday! The board can't be this fucking stupid, they just can't be! Hope you’re right but I heard a rumor that he’s actually been given until the Watford game to turn this ship around (!) & 10M to spend this month I hope it’s BS but this outfit is seemingly capable of anything currently A whopping 10 Million Might get a couple of free agents and wages with that!
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Post by harrysburrow on Jan 3, 2018 13:47:06 GMT
£10m!!!! That's just over half a Kevin Wimmer. My cup finally runneth over. This is where we are though isn't it? This is clearly a typo by the poster, but Coates is such a tight arse it just might be true!
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jan 3, 2018 13:52:38 GMT
Do you think they can carry on to the weekend with complete silence though Mick? They can't seriously expect him to walk out at Coventry without there having been any word from the board. That’s the thing though mate and he himself must realise it’s all imploding on him They’ll be doing behind the scenes stuff now and both announcements will probably be 24 hours apart He’s no longer got a voice amongst the support ( even Pulis had that ) and once that happens there’s no going back The silence is the give away Hope so. Hopefully the silence isn't because of indecision
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Post by TexasPotter on Jan 3, 2018 14:16:20 GMT
To think some of us laughed at the idea of Hodgson, Moyes or Allardyce taking over..... I didn’t, I wanted either of them to step back look at our plight and start fresh. Something Hughes never did. Always a stubborn arrogant prick I’ve been saying it’d be his downfall he’s only just recently started to use the bench and weirdly made Crouch a perm fixture up top dumping Diouf on of his loyal signings... Fuck him.
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Post by captainmainwaring on Jan 3, 2018 14:25:41 GMT
That’s the thing though mate and he himself must realise it’s all imploding on him They’ll be doing behind the scenes stuff now and both announcements will probably be 24 hours apart He’s no longer got a voice amongst the support ( even Pulis had that ) and once that happens there’s no going back The silence is the give away Hope so. Hopefully the silence isn't because of indecision I'll speculate and say that as far as MH is concerned it's business as usual. Behind the scenes feelers have been put out for possible replacements. If there are positive responses from them interviews will take place. I don't think we'll hear anything official until they have their man in place. If there is no one who impresses, they'll stay as they are.
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Post by captainmainwaring on Jan 3, 2018 14:27:25 GMT
£10 million won't turn this around! Hughes won't turn this around! Where has this £10 million figure come from?
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Post by butlerstbob on Jan 3, 2018 14:33:30 GMT
I heard he has 10 million too and also anything he can generate through sales?! IF and its a big IF he has been given 10 million then the club deserve relegation. God knows where these rumours come from but I hope to god it's bullshit, we need at the very least a replacement for Peiters, a midfielder and forward and thet alone could set us back a damn site more than 10 million!
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Post by crownmeking on Jan 3, 2018 14:36:41 GMT
Hope so. Hopefully the silence isn't because of indecision I'll speculate and say that as far as MH is concerned it's business as usual. Behind the scenes feelers have been put out for possible replacements. If there are positive responses from them interviews will take place. I don't think we'll hear anything official until they have their man in place. If there is no one who impresses, they'll stay as they are. From my understanding, this is accurate.
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Post by Davef on Jan 3, 2018 14:43:19 GMT
£10 million won't turn this around! Hughes won't turn this around! Where has this £10 million figure come from? Somebody's "heard a rumour".
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Post by wilmslowpotter on Jan 3, 2018 14:52:06 GMT
Read The Oatcake for years and never posted until now. 30 years ST holder, lifelong supporter (first game Jan ‘73 FA Cup, Man City away) so I’ve seen some up’s and down’s. I’m one of many who have really tried to back MH but it’s getting to the point that the facts just stack up against him, poor results against teams around us, regular hammerings against the big boys, woeful signings for high transfer fees. I look at the squad balance and the actual true quality of the players and it’s pretty worrying to say the least. I found a May ‘09 Sentinel yesterday from after the 2-0 win against Wigan - I venture to suggest that after ten years in The Prem and all the money that has flooded in, the team that day would beat the one that played v Newcastle. Sorensen, Wilkinson, Shawcross, Ab Faye, Cort, Whelan, Delap, Lawrence, Beattie, Fuller, Etherington.
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Post by danceswithclams on Jan 3, 2018 15:03:53 GMT
I heard he has 10 million too and also anything he can generate through sales?! IF and its a big IF he has been given 10 million then the club deserve relegation. God knows where these rumours come from but I hope to god it's bullshit, we need at the very least a replacement for Peiters, a midfielder and forward and thet alone could set us back a damn site more than 10 million! It's definitely true. I saw it shaved into the back of a dog that was wandering around Longton. The telltale sign of veracity? It was signed (rather shakily with a Wahl trimmer) Tony Scholes - Stoke City Money Counterer. Get your Bumper Book of Championship Grounds out lads, we're fooked. (Dog messages are always true.)
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 3, 2018 15:04:24 GMT
Read The Oatcake for years and never posted until now. 30 years ST holder, lifelong supporter (first game Jan ‘73 FA Cup, Man City away) so I’ve seen some up’s and down’s. I’m one of many who have really tried to back MH but it’s getting to the point that the facts just stack up against him, poor results against teams around us, regular hammerings against the big boys, woeful signings for high transfer fees. I look at the squad balance and the actual true quality of the players and it’s pretty worrying to say the least. I found a May ‘09 Sentinel yesterday from after the 2-0 win against Wigan - I venture to suggest that after ten years in The Prem and all the money that has flooded in, the team that day would beat the one that played v Newcastle. Sorensen, Wilkinson, Shawcross, Ab Faye, Cort, Whelan, Delap, Lawrence, Beattie, Fuller, Etherington. To be fair, that team had some excellent players who would stroll into this current team.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 3, 2018 15:05:51 GMT
Read The Oatcake for years and never posted until now. 30 years ST holder, lifelong supporter (first game Jan ‘73 FA Cup, Man City away) so I’ve seen some up’s and down’s. I’m one of many who have really tried to back MH but it’s getting to the point that the facts just stack up against him, poor results against teams around us, regular hammerings against the big boys, woeful signings for high transfer fees. I look at the squad balance and the actual true quality of the players and it’s pretty worrying to say the least. I found a May ‘09 Sentinel yesterday from after the 2-0 win against Wigan - I venture to suggest that after ten years in The Prem and all the money that has flooded in, the team that day would beat the one that played v Newcastle. Sorensen, Wilkinson, Shawcross, Ab Faye, Cort, Whelan, Delap, Lawrence, Beattie, Fuller, Etherington. Spot on off field mismanagement of record income and investment beyond the bounds of belief , if scholes were a African dictator there’d be a revolution and he’d be confined to house arrest or jail for abuse of responsibilities so gross is the negligence , untold riches have been squandered on his watch , huge income about to be lost , while he cited austerity the man is a plague on the city
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 15:10:44 GMT
What I heard was a £15M estimate by Rob Holloway. But 10 or 15 - it's not enough.
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Jan 3, 2018 15:21:40 GMT
I was talking to the cleaner at Stafford services and she told me we had 250m to spend in January.
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