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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 27, 2017 12:42:14 GMT
Why should he have a proper chance on what is that certainty he’d score based on? Nothing he’s shown in a Stoke shirt suggests that? He should be given a chance as we spent lots of time trying to bring him here and he cost a fortune. He had a run in the team last season when he wasn’t fit so I refuse to judge him solely on that. It’s a massive waste of time and money if we don’t give him a chance, I don’t think the blame lies with Saido this season, Hughes signed him so he should show some confidence in him. You can’t use an inferior option just because you were stupid enough to pay a lot of money for him. That’s the logic that gets Dave Kitson picked over Ricardo Fuller.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2017 12:48:23 GMT
1) Why did they continue to offer him new contracts and refuse to sell him for 2 windows, then? 2) Why did they buy him? They didn't buy him he started at WBA when he was eleven. Sorry I should've numbered the questions! The second one was aimed at Hughes and Bowen.
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Post by fazza90 on Dec 27, 2017 13:02:40 GMT
I don't understand why this lad deserves so much patience/backing from us while Wimmer receives so little?
Leaving the whole issue of his attitude aside, he was given a good run of games at the back end of last season and contributed almost nothing. When he is given a chance he has no impact. You can say he gets no service but Crouch and Diouf get the same service and they produce goals/assists/chances.
Berahino doesn't deserve to be in the starting 11 based on his past performances.
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Post by Ex-term-oat-cake on Dec 27, 2017 13:10:43 GMT
I don't understand why this lad deserves so much patience/backing from us while Wimmer receives so little? Leaving the whole issue of his attitude aside, he was given a good run of games at the back end of last season and contributed almost nothing. When he is given a chance he has no impact. You can say he gets no service but Crouch and Diouf get the same service and they produce goals/assists/chances. Berahino doesn't deserve to be in the starting 11 based on his past performances. Whereas crouch and Diouf just tore it up against WBA Bournemouth palace etc etc
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 27, 2017 13:16:37 GMT
I don't understand why this lad deserves so much patience/backing from us while Wimmer receives so little? Leaving the whole issue of his attitude aside, he was given a good run of games at the back end of last season and contributed almost nothing. When he is given a chance he has no impact. You can say he gets no service but Crouch and Diouf get the same service and they produce goals/assists/chances. Berahino doesn't deserve to be in the starting 11 based on his past performances. Whereas crouch and Diouf just tore it up against WBA Bournemouth palace etc etc Both players have at least scored when used up front this season.
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Post by fazza90 on Dec 27, 2017 13:17:06 GMT
Diouf/Crouch produce goals/assists/chances, when Berahino was given the chance he produced one assist that I can remember. I don't see what he offers that means he should be given the chance to start or come on as sub. Diouf had his limitations but he always has a positive impact on the game.
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Post by arnie3010 on Dec 27, 2017 13:25:40 GMT
So why did we buy a player for 13 million pounds when he offers nothing?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 27, 2017 13:32:45 GMT
So why did we buy a player for 13 million pounds when he offers nothing? Because we don’t do our homework.
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Post by PolPotter on Dec 27, 2017 13:41:52 GMT
He needs to go out on loan to the Championship asap and hopefully he'll impress wherever and they will snap him up for a tidy fee. Cut our losses.
Biggest gaff Coates made since signing Hughes.
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Post by estp1863 on Dec 27, 2017 13:44:15 GMT
He needs to go out on loan to the Championship asap and hopefully he'll impress wherever and they will snap him up for a tidy fee. Cut our losses. Biggest gaff Coates made since signing Hughes. Isn't it cheaper to just cut our losses on the guy who bought him in though after chasing him for two years only to not have a clue of What to do with him
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 27, 2017 13:46:44 GMT
He needs to go out on loan to the Championship asap and hopefully he'll impress wherever and they will snap him up for a tidy fee. Cut our losses. Biggest gaff Coates made since signing Hughes. Appointing Hughes wasn’t a mistake. He’s done a decent job overall.
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Post by PolPotter on Dec 27, 2017 13:47:04 GMT
He needs to go out on loan to the Championship asap and hopefully he'll impress wherever and they will snap him up for a tidy fee. Cut our losses. Biggest gaff Coates made since signing Hughes. Isn't it cheaper to just cut our losses on the guy who bought him in though after chasing him for two years only to not have a clue of What to do with him Both should go but there's no way we could recoup anything from Hughes going. In fact, we would need him to resign or for some stinking rich club from China to step in. It's not going to happen. We are stuck with the bore.
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Post by PolPotter on Dec 27, 2017 13:49:05 GMT
He needs to go out on loan to the Championship asap and hopefully he'll impress wherever and they will snap him up for a tidy fee. Cut our losses. Biggest gaff Coates made since signing Hughes. Appointing Hughes wasn’t a mistake. He’s done a decent job overall. I think overall, he's been a mistake. I'm not promoting Pulis but Hughes had the foundations set up for him. You could have done just as well.
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Post by estp1863 on Dec 27, 2017 13:51:43 GMT
So why did we buy a player for 13 million pounds when he offers nothing? 'The player' does. Due to Mark & his team not remembering all the 'p's when signing players he's not effective. I've said previously, for the time being I'd stick him in the hole behind diouf in a 4231 with Shaqiri left and sobhi right. Tell him to get ahead of & in & around diouf when he gets the ball. Im not having this guy wont score goals in a system that creates chances
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 27, 2017 13:55:35 GMT
So why did we buy a player for 13 million pounds when he offers nothing? Because our manager is an idiot who wastes money for fun !
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 27, 2017 13:57:11 GMT
Appointing Hughes wasn’t a mistake. He’s done a decent job overall. I think overall, he's been a mistake. I'm not promoting Pulis but Hughes had the foundations set up for him. You could have done just as well. So why couldn’t Pulis himself do just as well with these magnificent foundations he built? (which included a run of five wins in three months, a win percentage of 22% in his last 18 months and a divided squad throwing bricks through each other’s car windscreens)?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 27, 2017 13:58:09 GMT
So why did we buy a player for 13 million pounds when he offers nothing? 'The player' does. Due to Mark & his team not remembering all the 'p's when signing players he's not effective. I've said previously, for the time being I'd stick him in the hole behind diouf in a 4231 with Shaqiri left and sobhi right. Tell him to get ahead of & in & around diouf when he gets the ball. Im not having this guy wont score goals in a system that creates chances He’s never previously been effective as a lone striker though. And hasn’t this far shown any of the attributes required to be.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 27, 2017 13:58:26 GMT
He needs to go out on loan to the Championship asap and hopefully he'll impress wherever and they will snap him up for a tidy fee. Cut our losses. Biggest gaff Coates made since signing Hughes. Appointing Hughes wasn’t a mistake. He’s done a decent job overall. Keeping him after 18 months of regression was the biggest mistake, allowing him to spend big money by our standards on dross was another.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 27, 2017 14:00:18 GMT
'The player' does. Due to Mark & his team not remembering all the 'p's when signing players he's not effective. I've said previously, for the time being I'd stick him in the hole behind diouf in a 4231 with Shaqiri left and sobhi right. Tell him to get ahead of & in & around diouf when he gets the ball. Im not having this guy wont score goals in a system that creates chances He’s never previously been effective as a lone striker though. And hasn’t this far shown any of the attributes required to be. Makes good runs though pity they are never where the ball actually ends up going, it must be a special knack he has of being in the wrong place all of the time.
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Post by PolPotter on Dec 27, 2017 14:00:45 GMT
I think overall, he's been a mistake. I'm not promoting Pulis but Hughes had the foundations set up for him. You could have done just as well. So why couldn’t Pulis himself do just as well with these magnificent foundations he built? (which included a run of five wins in three months, a win percentage of 22% in his last 18 months and a divided squad throwing bricks through each other’s car windscreens)? Pulis died out, perhaps he ran out of ideas to move us forward and possibly got involved in politics, I don't know. Nobody had a bad word to say about him when he kept us up in the first season or when he got the club to its first ever FA Cup Final. His results for the last two seasons were poor, a bit like how it's gone for Hughes.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 27, 2017 14:03:08 GMT
So why couldn’t Pulis himself do just as well with these magnificent foundations he built? (which included a run of five wins in three months, a win percentage of 22% in his last 18 months and a divided squad throwing bricks through each other’s car windscreens)? Pulis died out, perhaps he ran out of ideas to move us forward and possibly got involved in politics, I don't know. Nobody had a bad word to say about him when he kept us up in the first season or when he got the club to its first ever FA Cup Final. His results for the last two seasons were poor, a bit like how it's gone for Hughes. Exactly. The same thing has happened to Hughes. He did a good job for two and a bit seasons then struggled. He can’t get all of the blame for the bad and none of the credit for the good, that, patently, is ridiculous.
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Post by arnie3010 on Dec 27, 2017 14:03:09 GMT
Hughes has to go. It will be a mistake to give him the January transfer window
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2017 14:03:43 GMT
Whereas crouch and Diouf just tore it up against WBA Bournemouth palace etc etc Both players have at least scored when used up front this season. I’d like to know how many minutes they have had this season compared to Berahino. His last start was in September when he missed that penalty, since then he has had 4 sub appearances (usually the last 5 minutes of the game when we have already lost and heads are down). I don’t think he has played 45 minutes in total adding up all his sub appearances from October onwards. Hughes has hung him out to dry.
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Post by PolPotter on Dec 27, 2017 14:06:22 GMT
Pulis died out, perhaps he ran out of ideas to move us forward and possibly got involved in politics, I don't know. Nobody had a bad word to say about him when he kept us up in the first season or when he got the club to its first ever FA Cup Final. His results for the last two seasons were poor, a bit like how it's gone for Hughes. Exactly. The same thing has happened to Hughes. He did a good job for two and a bit seasons then struggled. He can’t get all of the blame for the bad and none of the credit for the good, that, patently, is ridiculous. Like I said, he had the foundations set up for him. I'm not going to rim him for that. Coates made the mistake.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2017 14:06:51 GMT
Hughes has to go. It will be a mistake to give him the January transfer window I agree, but he won’t be going anywhere until the end of the season, and he won’t be properly backed in January. We are stuck with him.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 27, 2017 14:15:52 GMT
Both players have at least scored when used up front this season. I’d like to know how many minutes they have had this season compared to Berahino. His last start was in September when he missed that penalty, since then he has had 4 sub appearances (usually the last 5 minutes of the game when we have already lost and heads are down). I don’t think he has played 45 minutes in total adding up all his sub appearances from October onwards. Hughes has hung him out to dry. Crouch has come off the bench to make a difference. A lot of Diouf’s time has been spent at RWB. Berahino, over the past 12 months, has made 23 appearances for the club now and made precious little impact. At what point do the excuses run out?
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Post by arnie3010 on Dec 27, 2017 14:15:55 GMT
So why did we buy a player for 13 million pounds when he offers nothing? 'The player' does. Due to Mark & his team not remembering all the 'p's when signing players he's not effective. I've said previously, for the time being I'd stick him in the hole behind diouf in a 4231 with Shaqiri left and sobhi right. Tell him to get ahead of & in & around diouf when he gets the ball. Im not having this guy wont score goals in a system that creates chances Berahino Jese/Maxim - Shaqiri - Sobhi Lemina - Allen That's what i was hoping for and not playing Crouch as our regular starter with Diouf and Pieters as wingbacks
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 27, 2017 14:18:16 GMT
Exactly. The same thing has happened to Hughes. He did a good job for two and a bit seasons then struggled. He can’t get all of the blame for the bad and none of the credit for the good, that, patently, is ridiculous. Like I said, he had the foundations set up for him. I'm not going to rim him for that. Coates made the mistake. The foundations that the bloke who supposedly built couldn’t himself emulate. If you build on those foundations (which regardless were miles more rickety than you’re suggesting, which is why Pulis went) and deliver higher league finishes, more points and more goals - and deliver results and performances like first defeats of Chelsea and Man Utd since promotion and a 6-1 smashing of Liverpool - you deserve credit. Not ‘rimming’ as you eloquently put it, just credit where it’s due.
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Post by scfc75 on Dec 27, 2017 14:20:11 GMT
Both players have at least scored when used up front this season. I’d like to know how many minutes they have had this season compared to Berahino. His last start was in September when he missed that penalty, since then he has had 4 sub appearances (usually the last 5 minutes of the game when we have already lost and heads are down). I don’t think he has played 45 minutes in total adding up all his sub appearances from October onwards. Hughes has hung him out to dry. Crouch 753 mins, 6 starts, 10 from the bench Diouf 1,529 mins, 17 starts, 2 off the bench Berahino 276 mins, 2 starts, 6 off the bench
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 27, 2017 14:21:36 GMT
I’d like to know how many minutes they have had this season compared to Berahino. His last start was in September when he missed that penalty, since then he has had 4 sub appearances (usually the last 5 minutes of the game when we have already lost and heads are down). I don’t think he has played 45 minutes in total adding up all his sub appearances from October onwards. Hughes has hung him out to dry. Crouch 753 mins, 6 starts, 10 from the bench Diouf 1,529 mins, 17 starts, 2 off the bench Berahino 276 mins, 2 starts, 6 off the bench How many of those Diouf minutes were as a centre forward? If Berahino wants more minutes, maybe he should do more with the minutes he gets?
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