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Post by toppercorner on Dec 26, 2017 23:16:39 GMT
sure, i get that but can anyone show me absolute proof of bad attitude that is alluded to? You can't have "absolute proof" of a bad attitude as it's a subjective test! of course it is, but can it be banded around that he is a 'bad apple' as such? i don't think so. i readily acknowledge that he falls far below what has been expected for a striker over 12 months, but from when i have seen him during actual game time (and lack of this season), he doesn't have that attitude, and for me, it's worrying that the fans are ready to accept what someone writes on a forum as gospel in regards to his professioanl attitude. It can only have a negative effect.
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Dec 26, 2017 23:20:16 GMT
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Dec 26, 2017 23:20:16 GMT
You can't have "absolute proof" of a bad attitude as it's a subjective test! of course it is, but can it be banded around that he is a 'bad apple' as such? i don't think so. i readily acknowledge that he falls far below what has been expected for a striker over 12 months, but from when i have seen him during actual game time (and lack of this season), he doesn't have that attitude, and for me, it's worrying that the fans are ready to accept what someone writes on a forum as gospel in regards to his professioanl attitude. It can only have a negative effect. Watch him very closely during warm up etc, he just exudes indifference, just my subjective opinion
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 26, 2017 23:22:40 GMT
I feel like these amazing runs he’s apparently constantly making are in the same class as the ‘good work people just don’t notice’ that we were always being told Dean Whitehead used to do. They’re curiously invisible to the naked eye. The influence he’s had on games has been non-existent. sure, i get that but can anyone show me absolute proof of bad attitude that is alluded to? He might be an angel for all I know. Based purely on what he’s shown on the pitch, I don’t get the clamour for him to start or the idea he ‘should’ be starting. As limited as our other strikers are, they all offer, one way or another, something he doesn’t.
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Post by toppercorner on Dec 26, 2017 23:24:27 GMT
of course it is, but can it be banded around that he is a 'bad apple' as such? i don't think so. i readily acknowledge that he falls far below what has been expected for a striker over 12 months, but from when i have seen him during actual game time (and lack of this season), he doesn't have that attitude, and for me, it's worrying that the fans are ready to accept what someone writes on a forum as gospel in regards to his professioanl attitude. It can only have a negative effect. Watch him very closely during warm up etc, he just exudes indifference, just my subjective opinion the warm ups never count, all players look brassed off. We can't assume that he's a bad apple from a 5 minute knock around before a game he never plays in
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Dec 26, 2017 23:26:31 GMT
Late Christmas present to the Vale?
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Post by Billy the kid on Dec 27, 2017 0:35:46 GMT
Maybe he is on the chalrie,,?
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 27, 2017 8:31:23 GMT
of course it is, but can it be banded around that he is a 'bad apple' as such? i don't think so. i readily acknowledge that he falls far below what has been expected for a striker over 12 months, but from when i have seen him during actual game time (and lack of this season), he doesn't have that attitude, and for me, it's worrying that the fans are ready to accept what someone writes on a forum as gospel in regards to his professioanl attitude. It can only have a negative effect. Watch him very closely during warm up etc, he just exudes indifference, just my subjective opinion Hughes stated a couple of weeks ago he was training better what does that mean ? what is he trying to say ?
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Post by elystokie on Dec 27, 2017 10:27:00 GMT
Watch him very closely during warm up etc, he just exudes indifference, just my subjective opinion Hughes stated a couple of weeks ago he was training better what does that mean ? what is he trying to say ? I'd say he was saying he wasn't training as well before as he is now. I'm not sure how putting the words in a different order will help you understand but if you can't grasp it this time I'm happy to give it another go.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 27, 2017 11:08:30 GMT
Hughes stated a couple of weeks ago he was training better what does that mean ? what is he trying to say ? I'd say he was saying he wasn't training as well before as he is now. I'm not sure how putting the words in a different order will help you understand but if you can't grasp it this time I'm happy to give it another go. Sounds as if he wasn't trying perhaps ? maybe there are issues with him and the manager/coaches, if so we need to loan him out in January.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 27, 2017 11:19:24 GMT
of course it is, but can it be banded around that he is a 'bad apple' as such? i don't think so. i readily acknowledge that he falls far below what has been expected for a striker over 12 months, but from when i have seen him during actual game time (and lack of this season), he doesn't have that attitude, and for me, it's worrying that the fans are ready to accept what someone writes on a forum as gospel in regards to his professioanl attitude. It can only have a negative effect. Watch him very closely during warm up etc, he just exudes indifference, just my subjective opinion Its a warm up whats he meant to do celebrate it
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Post by elystokie on Dec 27, 2017 11:23:05 GMT
I'd say he was saying he wasn't training as well before as he is now. I'm not sure how putting the words in a different order will help you understand but if you can't grasp it this time I'm happy to give it another go. Sounds as if he wasn't trying perhaps ? maybe there are issues with him and the manager/coaches, if so we need to loan him out in January. Maybe there were issues with his fitness or his home life and they've now been resolved, we'll probably never know.
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Post by loosestools on Dec 27, 2017 11:32:08 GMT
If he has gone to the Board over Hughes' head he requires a good ramming with kerb layers maul.
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Post by superheroantonius on Dec 27, 2017 12:00:29 GMT
He can say what He likes to who He likes
But if the situation is that shaq, choupo, crouchy, diouf and ramadan can score for stoke, But He can't, then he's not going to get a game
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Post by superheroantonius on Dec 27, 2017 12:06:32 GMT
of course it is, but can it be banded around that he is a 'bad apple' as such? i don't think so. i readily acknowledge that he falls far below what has been expected for a striker over 12 months, but from when i have seen him during actual game time (and lack of this season), he doesn't have that attitude, and for me, it's worrying that the fans are ready to accept what someone writes on a forum as gospel in regards to his professioanl attitude. It can only have a negative effect. Watch him very closely during warm up etc, he just exudes indifference, just my subjective opinion Uwe Rossler terminated his loan at brentford early and sent him home early because of his bad attitude. Jeremy peace and tony pulis wanted him out of wba because of his bad attitude And mark bowen and mark hughes don't want him in stokes starting eleven The fans can have a disagreement about this one But the coaches have all reached the same conclusion
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2017 12:09:01 GMT
He can say what He likes to who He likes But if the situation is that shaq, choupo, crouchy, diouf and ramadan can score for stoke, But He can't, then he's not going to get a game It’s impossible for him to score when he isn’t on the pitch, give the lad a proper chance and I’m sure he could score more than any of those.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 27, 2017 12:11:05 GMT
Watch him very closely during warm up etc, he just exudes indifference, just my subjective opinion Uwe Rossler terminated his loan at brentford early and sent him home early because of his bad attitude. Jeremy peace and tony pulis wanted him out of wba because of his bad attitude And mark bowen and mark hughes don't want him in stokes starting eleven The fans can have a disagreement about this one But the coaches have all reached the same conclusion It appears that this attitude problem has been ongoing for a while then, do Stoke do any background checks on the players we sign ?, as you rightly say the management team appear to have pretty much given up on him after 12 months.
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Post by estp1863 on Dec 27, 2017 12:12:52 GMT
He can say what He likes to who He likes But if the situation is that shaq, choupo, crouchy, diouf and ramadan can score for stoke, But He can't, then he's not going to get a game It’s impossible for him to score when he isn’t on the pitch, give the lad a proper chance and I’m sure he could score more than any of those. Bob on. Hughes being a former striker himself it's hilarious he doesn't realise the need for strikers to get good service
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Post by estp1863 on Dec 27, 2017 12:14:04 GMT
Sadly bez doesn't fit les' 'lump it' system, as he says himself
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 27, 2017 12:14:57 GMT
He can say what He likes to who He likes But if the situation is that shaq, choupo, crouchy, diouf and ramadan can score for stoke, But He can't, then he's not going to get a game It’s impossible for him to score when he isn’t on the pitch, give the lad a proper chance and I’m sure he could score more than any of those. I get what you re saying however when he has had chances he has messed up, he has one assist to his name this season, the management team obviously have no faith that he will do the job for us or he would be playing regularly in the position we are in.
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Post by superheroantonius on Dec 27, 2017 12:21:59 GMT
Sadly bez doesn't fit les' 'lump it' system, as he says himself Nobody suits the ' lump it ' system less than shaq, and he is top for goals and assists at stoke Maybe he is just a better footballer than berahino
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 27, 2017 12:26:02 GMT
He can say what He likes to who He likes But if the situation is that shaq, choupo, crouchy, diouf and ramadan can score for stoke, But He can't, then he's not going to get a game It’s impossible for him to score when he isn’t on the pitch, give the lad a proper chance and I’m sure he could score more than any of those. Why should he have a proper chance on what is that certainty he’d score based on? Nothing he’s shown in a Stoke shirt suggests that?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2017 12:31:15 GMT
It’s impossible for him to score when he isn’t on the pitch, give the lad a proper chance and I’m sure he could score more than any of those. I get what you re saying however when he has had chances he has messed up, he has one assist to his name this season, the management team obviously have no faith that he will do the job for us or he would be playing regularly in the position we are in. He has missed a penalty, maybe one other very good chance where he hit the post? (Can’t remember which game) and a couple of half chances at most. He has hardly been on the pitch though, and he is not the only one who has missed chances. The fact he was in the position to get these chances in the first place is a good thing, some players don’t even make those runs or can’t control the ball when it comes to them. Hughes has found plenty of time for Choupo who had a very good game against Man Utd but until recently hadn’t done much else yet he has been playing 90 mins regularly. Give Berahino that kind of a run in the team and I’m sure he would come good.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 27, 2017 12:33:24 GMT
I get what you re saying however when he has had chances he has messed up, he has one assist to his name this season, the management team obviously have no faith that he will do the job for us or he would be playing regularly in the position we are in. He has missed a penalty, maybe one other very good chance where he hit the post? (Can’t remember which game) and a couple of half chances at most. He has hardly been on the pitch though, and he is not the only one who has missed chances. The fact he was in the position to get these chances in the first place is a good thing, some players don’t even make those runs or can’t control the ball when it comes to them. Hughes has found plenty of time for Choupo who had a very good game against Man Utd but until recently hadn’t done much else yet he has been playing 90 mins regularly. Give Berahino that kind of a run in the team and I’m sure he would come good. ‘Getting into good positions’ alone isn’t enough. These days a striker has to do more than just goal hang.
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Post by estp1863 on Dec 27, 2017 12:33:55 GMT
I get what you re saying however when he has had chances he has messed up, he has one assist to his name this season, the management team obviously have no faith that he will do the job for us or he would be playing regularly in the position we are in. He has missed a penalty, maybe one other very good chance where he hit the post? (Can’t remember which game) and a couple of half chances at most. He has hardly been on the pitch though, and he is not the only one who has missed chances. The fact he was in the position to get these chances in the first place is a good thing, some players don’t even make those runs or can’t control the ball when it comes to them. Hughes has found plenty of time for Choupo who had a very good game against Man Utd but until recently hadn’t done much else yet he has been playing 90 mins regularly. Give Berahino that kind of a run in the team and I’m sure he would come good. And fletcher
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2017 12:33:58 GMT
Watch him very closely during warm up etc, he just exudes indifference, just my subjective opinion Uwe Rossler terminated his loan at brentford early and sent him home early because of his bad attitude. Jeremy peace and tony pulis wanted him out of wba because of his bad attitude And mark bowen and mark hughes don't want him in stokes starting eleven The fans can have a disagreement about this one But the coaches have all reached the same conclusion 1) Why did they continue to offer him new contracts and refuse to sell him for 2 windows, then? 2) Why did they buy him?
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Post by estp1863 on Dec 27, 2017 12:34:48 GMT
Sadly bez doesn't fit les' 'lump it' system, as he says himself Nobody suits the ' lump it ' system less than shaq, and he is top for goals and assists at stoke Maybe he is just a better footballer than berahino oh right o.k? Why not stick him up front as striker, job done ?
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Dec 27, 2017 12:36:27 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2017 12:36:27 GMT
It’s impossible for him to score when he isn’t on the pitch, give the lad a proper chance and I’m sure he could score more than any of those. Why should he have a proper chance on what is that certainty he’d score based on? Nothing he’s shown in a Stoke shirt suggests that? He should be given a chance as we spent lots of time trying to bring him here and he cost a fortune. He had a run in the team last season when he wasn’t fit so I refuse to judge him solely on that. It’s a massive waste of time and money if we don’t give him a chance, I don’t think the blame lies with Saido this season, Hughes signed him so he should show some confidence in him.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 27, 2017 12:36:37 GMT
I get what you re saying however when he has had chances he has messed up, he has one assist to his name this season, the management team obviously have no faith that he will do the job for us or he would be playing regularly in the position we are in. He has missed a penalty, maybe one other very good chance where he hit the post? (Can’t remember which game) and a couple of half chances at most. He has hardly been on the pitch though, and he is not the only one who has missed chances. The fact he was in the position to get these chances in the first place is a good thing, some players don’t even make those runs or can’t control the ball when it comes to them. Hughes has found plenty of time for Choupo who had a very good game against Man Utd but until recently hadn’t done much else yet he has been playing 90 mins regularly. Give Berahino that kind of a run in the team and I’m sure he would come good. If he is as good as you suggest why is he not playing ?
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 27, 2017 12:38:34 GMT
Nobody suits the ' lump it ' system less than shaq, and he is top for goals and assists at stoke Maybe he is just a better footballer than berahino oh right o.k? Why not stick him up front as striker, job done ? Maybe because that is not his strongest position , he scores goals from midfield and creates goals from midfield because he's a midfielder.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 27, 2017 12:41:05 GMT
Uwe Rossler terminated his loan at brentford early and sent him home early because of his bad attitude. Jeremy peace and tony pulis wanted him out of wba because of his bad attitude And mark bowen and mark hughes don't want him in stokes starting eleven The fans can have a disagreement about this one But the coaches have all reached the same conclusion 1) Why did they continue to offer him new contracts and refuse to sell him for 2 windows, then? 2) Why did they buy him? They didn't buy him he started at WBA when he was eleven.
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