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Post by scfc75 on Dec 27, 2017 14:25:19 GMT
Crouch 753 mins, 6 starts, 10 from the bench Diouf 1,529 mins, 17 starts, 2 off the bench Berahino 276 mins, 2 starts, 6 off the bench How many of those Diouf minutes were as a centre forward? If Berahino wants more minutes, maybe he should do more with the minutes he gets? Diouf played over half that time as RWB (one of his goals even came from that position). Also all of Crouch's goals have come from the bench. I'm not defending Saido, just answering the question.
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Dec 27, 2017 14:34:28 GMT
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Post by estp1863 on Dec 27, 2017 14:34:28 GMT
Crouch 753 mins, 6 starts, 10 from the bench Diouf 1,529 mins, 17 starts, 2 off the bench Berahino 276 mins, 2 starts, 6 off the bench How many of those Diouf minutes were as a centre forward? If Berahino wants more minutes, maybe he should do more with the minutes he gets? your first question says it all about how ridiculous the situation is. We have forwards playing wing back, pieters out of his depth as one yet we expect Berahino to just score goals. With team building like this im surprised we score any. For a top level club of a decade it's just not good enough. Even so, I'm convinced hughes isn't dealing the cards with transfers he's having his hand passed to him three quarters of the time
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 27, 2017 14:38:09 GMT
How many of those Diouf minutes were as a centre forward? If Berahino wants more minutes, maybe he should do more with the minutes he gets? your first question says it all about how ridiculous the situation is. We have forwards playing wing back, pieters out of his depth as one yet we expect Berahino to just score goals. With team building like this im surprised we score any. For a top level club of a decade it's just not good enough. Even so, I'm convinced hughes isn't dealing the cards with transfers he's having his hand passed to him three quarters of the time I think the buck stops with Hughes when it comes to transfers. I don’t think he’s had anyone foisted on him. The whole structure in regard to recruitment seems a complete mess.
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Dec 27, 2017 14:47:51 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2017 14:47:51 GMT
The whole structure in regard to recruitment seems a complete mess. Can’t argue with that, we have wasted enormous amounts of money since we got promoted and I can’t think of anyone we have brought through anyone from the academy who has made a successful transition to the first team, Shotton came close, maybe Edwards will succeed but it’s too early to tell. We have only sold a couple of players on for profit since as well, Begovic, Arnie and NZonzi (although we got a fraction of what he is worth). All that said though, its a massive achievement we had stayed in the premier league so long and the adventure isn’t over yet, there is still time for Hughes or someone else to take this squad and turn it into something special.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 27, 2017 14:52:26 GMT
How many of those Diouf minutes were as a centre forward? If Berahino wants more minutes, maybe he should do more with the minutes he gets? your first question says it all about how ridiculous the situation is. We have forwards playing wing back, pieters out of his depth as one yet we expect Berahino to just score goals. With team building like this im surprised we score any. For a top level club of a decade it's just not good enough. Even so, I'm convinced hughes isn't dealing the cards with transfers he's having his hand passed to him three quarters of the time Hughes scouted Imbua chase Berahino for three transfer windows and has praised Wimmer so who do you think wanted these players ????????
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Post by estp1863 on Dec 27, 2017 14:59:45 GMT
your first question says it all about how ridiculous the situation is. We have forwards playing wing back, pieters out of his depth as one yet we expect Berahino to just score goals. With team building like this im surprised we score any. For a top level club of a decade it's just not good enough. Even so, I'm convinced hughes isn't dealing the cards with transfers he's having his hand passed to him three quarters of the time I think the buck stops with Hughes when it comes to transfers. I don’t think he’s had anyone foisted on him. The whole structure in regard to recruitment seems a complete mess. If that really is the case he's an idiot. I find it hard to believe anybody can create this squad and think it's up to the job
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Post by BuckRogers on Dec 27, 2017 15:03:54 GMT
if we get a striker who actually fits our system (pace,good in the air) then I would just get rid of him January. It obvious he's not in the managers plans.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 27, 2017 15:18:03 GMT
if we get a striker who actually fits our system (pace,good in the air) then I would just get rid of him January. It obvious he's not in the managers plans. Hughes has no idea what system he prefers and even less how to buy players to fit said system, his three most expensive signings have been a complete waste of money and we are stuck with them as no one else would touch them with a barge pole. the whole thing is a gigantic fuckin mess all self inflicted.
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Dec 27, 2017 18:17:10 GMT
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Post by superheroantonius on Dec 27, 2017 18:17:10 GMT
So why did we buy a player for 13 million pounds when he offers nothing? Because our manager is an idiot who wastes money for fun ! There was a lovely quote from hughes in the daily star on boxing day, before the huddersfield game. He said, most of the criticism of himself ' is just hindsight '. Thats a really clever way, of not wanting to defend any of his big signings ( imbula berahino and wimmer) , and not wanting to back any of them to come good. Without actually being willing to say That in plain english.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2017 21:22:51 GMT
Finally! An award for him from the Guardian:
PLAYER OF THE YEAR Saido Berahino, for selfless services to the confidence of goalkeepers everywhere. A one-time Tottenham target with an England call-up to his name, the Stoke striker has not scored in 2,187 minutes of football. The good news for Stoke? His £70,000-per-week contract runs until June 2022.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 27, 2017 22:20:14 GMT
Because our manager is an idiot who wastes money for fun ! There was a lovely quote from hughes in the daily star on boxing day, before the huddersfield game. He said, most of the criticism of himself ' is just hindsight '. Thats a really clever way, of not wanting to defend any of his big signings ( imbula berahino and wimmer) , and not wanting to back any of them to come good. Without actually being willing to say That in plain english. What would have been clever would have been buying three decent players for that money.
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Post by thegrassyknoll on Dec 27, 2017 23:48:48 GMT
Uwe Rossler terminated his loan at brentford early and sent him home early because of his bad attitude. Jeremy peace and tony pulis wanted him out of wba because of his bad attitude And mark bowen and mark hughes don't want him in stokes starting eleven The fans can have a disagreement about this one But the coaches have all reached the same conclusion 1) Why did they continue to offer him new contracts and refuse to sell him for 2 windows, then? 2) Why did they buy him? Seasonal greetings from a long suffering Baggie! The initial reason for WBA offering SB a new and improved contract was to enhance his transfer value, rather than the club being desperate to keep him, as the cracks in the relationship were starting to appear. However, the contract offer was withdrawn when Saido began his ill considered feud with Peace. The malicious nature of the owner meant that any transfer was refused to damage the player, even though it would have made good sense for all parties and good business, for him to leave. No Albion fan I know can understand why Hughes would want to buy damaged goods at such a high price in the Jan window, when SB was available for free just months later. Did he really think there was going to be a stampede for a guy already in decline? Incredible.
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Post by thegift on Dec 28, 2017 2:08:06 GMT
1) Why did they continue to offer him new contracts and refuse to sell him for 2 windows, then? 2) Why did they buy him? Seasonal greetings from a long suffering Baggie! The initial reason for WBA offering SB a new and improved contract was to enhance his transfer value, rather than the club being desperate to keep him, as the cracks in the relationship were starting to appear. However, the contract offer was withdrawn when Saido began his ill considered feud with Peace. The malicious nature of the owner meant that any transfer was refused to damage the player, even though it would have made good sense for all parties and good business, for him to leave. No Albion fan I know can understand why Hughes would want to buy damaged goods at such a high price in the Jan window, when SB was available for free just months later. Did he really think there was going to be a stampede for a guy already in decline? Incredible. The whole transfer is Embarrassing. This alone should lose Hughes is job. Imagine going to work one day and buying a piece of machinery, thats free in 6 months, and spending £15 Million for it not to work 2 years later. This is aside from Letting Huth go, buying Imbula, and wimmer.
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Post by potterpaul on Dec 28, 2017 4:28:48 GMT
I'm not sure Imbula can constantly be part of the stick to beat Hughes with over poor transfers. His first few games with us were pretty impressive and everyone was wondering how good he could be once he got to grips with the PL. Unfortuantly it went tits up for everyone through the players attitude. The Saido transfer is however a complete and utter mystery that the mighty Sherlock Holmes wouldn't fathom out. I'm still going to give Wimmer time as I feel the whole back line as struggled this season which is not ideal for a player with handful of PL games under his belt.
The most disappointing decision recently for me is still letting Joselu go when there were signs that he had found his mojo in this team late in preseason, and I do realise he hasn't pulled up many trees at Newcastle
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 28, 2017 9:34:38 GMT
I'm not sure Imbula can constantly be part of the stick to beat Hughes with over poor transfers. His first few games with us were pretty impressive and everyone was wondering how good he could be once he got to grips with the PL. Unfortuantly it went tits up for everyone through the players attitude. The Saido transfer is however a complete and utter mystery that the mighty Sherlock Holmes wouldn't fathom out. I'm still going to give Wimmer time as I feel the whole back line as struggled this season which is not ideal for a player with handful of PL games under his belt. The most disappointing decision recently for me is still letting Joselu go when there were signs that he had found his mojo in this team late in preseason, and I do realise he hasn't pulled up many trees at Newcastle Imbula had history of attitude problems before Hughes signed him, do we do any background work on the players we sign in the case of Berahino it was done for us by the national press, maybe Hughes is so stubborn he won't listen
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Post by bathstoke on Dec 28, 2017 10:09:09 GMT
your first question says it all about how ridiculous the situation is. We have forwards playing wing back, pieters out of his depth as one yet we expect Berahino to just score goals. With team building like this im surprised we score any. For a top level club of a decade it's just not good enough. Even so, I'm convinced hughes isn't dealing the cards with transfers he's having his hand passed to him three quarters of the time Hughes scouted Imbua chase Berahino for three transfer windows and has praised Wimmer so who do you think wanted these players ???????? Yeah, but I've seen Imbbua score for Stoke...
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Post by bobk on Dec 28, 2017 13:25:46 GMT
Picking Berahino would be an insult to the hard working players in the team
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 28, 2017 13:32:06 GMT
We've got to get him out on loan somewhere surely?
If we have designs on bringing a striker in (as reported by Percy), he'll be behind the new man, Crouch, Diouf and possibly Choupo.
Can't see it's in anyone's interests fro him to rot on the bench for another half season. His value is already on its arse, with us obliged to pay him 70k-a-week for another 4 and a half years.
The question is what level could he go to and play regularly?
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Dec 28, 2017 13:42:17 GMT
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Post by WhyDelilah on Dec 28, 2017 13:42:17 GMT
We've got to get him out on loan somewhere surely? If we have designs on bringing a striker in (as reported by Percy), he'll be behind the new man, Crouch, Diouf and possibly Choupo. Can't see it's in anyone's interests fro him to rot on the bench for another half season. His value is already on its arse, with us obliged to pay him 70k-a-week for another 4 and a half years. The question is what level could he go to and play regularly? God knows. He's fucking atrocious.
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Dec 28, 2017 13:45:18 GMT
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Post by estp1863 on Dec 28, 2017 13:45:18 GMT
Send him Swansea sparky. I dare you
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Post by kustokie on Dec 28, 2017 13:46:16 GMT
if we get a striker who actually fits our system (pace,good in the air) then I would just get rid of him January. It obvious he's not in the managers plans. Players with those skills in their repertoire aren’t the board’s budget. 50 million minimum.
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Berahino
Dec 28, 2017 13:50:31 GMT
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Post by Davef on Dec 28, 2017 13:50:31 GMT
We've got to get him out on loan somewhere surely? If we have designs on bringing a striker in (as reported by Percy), he'll be behind the new man, Crouch, Diouf and possibly Choupo. Can't see it's in anyone's interests fro him to rot on the bench for another half season. His value is already on its arse, with us obliged to pay him 70k-a-week for another 4 and a half years. The question is what level could he go to and play regularly? The question is, who's going to pay good money in wages (especially at Championship level) for a striker who can't score? What would we be looking at, a club to pay half his wages? Would you?
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Dec 28, 2017 13:51:23 GMT
Hughes should be sacked for this signing alone. Spending a year chasing him, eventually getting him for £12m, giving him half a season to get fit (at the expense of our league position) and then losing faith in him a few games into the new season.
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Dec 28, 2017 13:52:38 GMT
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Post by sportsman on Dec 28, 2017 13:52:38 GMT
I'd start with him at Chelsea myself. You can't play crouch away from home, especially against the big teams.
It just allows them to push up into our half with their defenders, meaning it's very hard for us to get out.
As much pace as we can up top to keep their defenders thinking what might keep going in behind them.
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Dec 28, 2017 13:55:43 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2017 13:55:43 GMT
Thought it was funny when the baggies fans started chanted 'we sold you saido berahino' or something like that, to which we responded with polite humorous applause and for a moment, both sets of fans were kindred spirits
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 28, 2017 13:56:20 GMT
We've got to get him out on loan somewhere surely? If we have designs on bringing a striker in (as reported by Percy), he'll be behind the new man, Crouch, Diouf and possibly Choupo. Can't see it's in anyone's interests fro him to rot on the bench for another half season. His value is already on its arse, with us obliged to pay him 70k-a-week for another 4 and a half years. The question is what level could he go to and play regularly? The question is, who's going to pay good money in wages (especially at Championship level) for a striker who can't score? What would we be looking at, a club to pay half his wages? Would you? No - but it'd probably have to be the Championship for it to be in anyone's interest. So maybe we'd have to be very generous and pay the bulk of his wages. Can't really see the alternative as we've got to try and rehabilitate him (and his value) somehow. It'd have to be someone pretty desperate who haven't really got anyone at the moment up front. Sunderland maybe? Their main striker is being recalled by Bournemouth and they're looking screwed. Maybe they would take a punt?
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Post by Gods on Dec 28, 2017 13:56:33 GMT
1) Why did they continue to offer him new contracts and refuse to sell him for 2 windows, then? 2) Why did they buy him? Seasonal greetings from a long suffering Baggie! The initial reason for WBA offering SB a new and improved contract was to enhance his transfer value, rather than the club being desperate to keep him, as the cracks in the relationship were starting to appear. However, the contract offer was withdrawn when Saido began his ill considered feud with Peace. The malicious nature of the owner meant that any transfer was refused to damage the player, even though it would have made good sense for all parties and good business, for him to leave. No Albion fan I know can understand why Hughes would want to buy damaged goods at such a high price in the Jan window, when SB was available for free just months later. Did he really think there was going to be a stampede for a guy already in decline? Incredible. Tell me something honestly mate taking off your WBA underpants for a moment! There was a time when he was really quite good, he had a god given ability (which you can't teach) to simply dunk a defender on his backside through some shimmy or other and slot the ball in to the back of the net. I used to crap myself when we came up against him, thinking we would make mugs out of us at any moment. I'm not completely imagining that am I? There was a time when he could really play and was genuinely a hot prospect? What I am saying is there was some good reason why we might think this transfer could work. I know it hasn't, but there was some rationale for thinking it might?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2017 14:01:46 GMT
Just a horrible disaster this one,theres no hiding it. At least as bad as the imbulla debacle -in normal life people get sacked for far less bad business decisions.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2017 14:13:38 GMT
I am still trying to work out what Crouchy has done to be starting week in week out. Not even looked close to scoring and done little else apart from amble around up top. Add to that because he's playing the football on show is worse than Pulis' final season which I thought would take some beating.
He needs to be a last 20 minute player, him starting makes me want to cry.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 28, 2017 14:54:54 GMT
I'd start with him at Chelsea myself. You can't play crouch away from home, especially against the big teams. It just allows them to push up into our half with their defenders, meaning it's very hard for us to get out. As much pace as we can up top to keep their defenders thinking what might keep going in behind them. Has Berahino got pace? Haven’t seen much evidence of it.
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