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Post by estp1863 on Jan 1, 2018 10:10:24 GMT
Squad & team building by SCFC & Mark Hughes. "Throw some mud at the wall and see what sticks" To a degree that's what most managers do. Doesn't mean it's right though. When you build anything you plan and start off with a sounding footing and build upwards instead of downwards. Football is no different
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Post by sportsman on Jan 1, 2018 10:13:34 GMT
Build from the back and your weaknesses in the team become more obvious as you go forward. It not only highlights what you lack it allows you to buy players to suit the ones behind them to build a unit. All good managers start with a sound defence and then move forward. If we built from the back we might get to Berahino and think, oh fuck yeah he's actually quite good. Rocket science it is not. But when all the defenders we have are back fit, hopefully in the next couple of weeks, we have plenty in there to not be in this position, if we buy the right midfielder to go with the striker, and a right back (a left back as well is asking too much). If we go with 4 at the back now, and all defenders are back fit, and you've brought in another one as you seem to want to do, who the hell is going to play, and who is going to be sat in the stands as you could fill the bench as well with centre backs once fit. Right back, midfieder and striker for me.
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Post by sportsman on Jan 1, 2018 10:14:52 GMT
To a degree that's what most managers do. Doesn't mean it's right though. When you build anything you plan and start off with a sounding footing and build upwards instead of downwards. Football is no different If we hadn't of have an injury to any of our defenders and managed to keep an unchanged defence all season, so you think we'd be where we are, because i don't.
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Post by estp1863 on Jan 1, 2018 10:15:56 GMT
Build from the back and your weaknesses in the team become more obvious as you go forward. It not only highlights what you lack it allows you to buy players to suit the ones behind them to build a unit. All good managers start with a sound defence and then move forward. If we built from the back we might get to Berahino and think, oh fuck yeah he's actually quite good. Rocket science it is not. But when all the defenders we have are back fit, hopefully in the next couple of weeks, we have plenty in there to not be in this position, if we buy the right midfielder to go with the striker, and a right back (a left back as well is asking too much). If we go with 4 at the back now, and all defenders are back fit, and you've brought in another one as you seem to want to do, who the hell is going to play, and who is going to be sat in the stands as you could fill the bench as well with centre backs once fit. Right back, midfieder and striker for me. A full back that can play both sides 2 midfielders, 1x defensive & one progressive 1 shit fast direct winger
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Post by lordb on Jan 1, 2018 10:16:10 GMT
To a degree that's what most managers do. Doesn't mean it's right though. When you build anything you plan and start off with a sounding footing and build upwards instead of downwards. Football is no different No it doesn't but unless you are Man City e.t.c. no club can just go out and buy what you want. That's why clubs,all of them bar the very top clubs,buy players they might not be sure of.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jan 1, 2018 10:17:20 GMT
We will fuck it up by offering around £12m,then wonder why he went somewhere else.
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Post by estp1863 on Jan 1, 2018 10:18:40 GMT
Doesn't mean it's right though. When you build anything you plan and start off with a sounding footing and build upwards instead of downwards. Football is no different If we hadn't of have an injury to any of our defenders and managed to keep an unchanged defence all season, so you think we'd be where we are, because i don't. Yes I do we're in january now, all teams get injuries, a big part of the reason we let in the goals is teams just stroll through our midfield, a midfield that does not only fail to protect the back 4 but also excels in failing to offer anything for our forwards. And we think a striker is the answer? How?
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Post by samblano on Jan 1, 2018 10:21:18 GMT
If we don't bring in players in the early days of this window we may as well not bother and save the funds for a new manager to get us out of the Championship
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jan 1, 2018 10:21:55 GMT
Doesn't mean it's right though. When you build anything you plan and start off with a sounding footing and build upwards instead of downwards. Football is no different If we hadn't of have an injury to any of our defenders and managed to keep an unchanged defence all season, so you think we'd be where we are, because i don't. If we'd have kept all our defenders fit, and kept the same back line, we would still be in trouble. This is because we don't have a midfield to protect the defence and exert any sort of control over possession. We also tried to play a wing back system without buying wing backs. The manager has put us in a very difficult position
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Post by sportsman on Jan 1, 2018 10:34:37 GMT
If we hadn't of have an injury to any of our defenders and managed to keep an unchanged defence all season, so you think we'd be where we are, because i don't. Yes I do we're in january now, all teams get injuries, a big part of the reason we let in the goals is teams just stroll through our midfield, a midfield that does not only fail to protect the back 4 but also excels in failing to offer anything for our forwards. And we think a striker is the answer? How? There's injuries and there's us. I don't think anyone else has had to go into a game without a fit defender. Who was able to field roughly the same team all last season? Chelsea. Who won the league? Chelsea. The year before? Leicester. Who had the least amount of changes to a team this season? Burnley. So you want two full backs, two midfielders and a winger? Bloody hell, man citeh would struggle with that! Who are you going to feed with all this, Crouch?
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Post by sportsman on Jan 1, 2018 10:35:53 GMT
If we hadn't of have an injury to any of our defenders and managed to keep an unchanged defence all season, so you think we'd be where we are, because i don't. If we'd have kept all our defenders fit, and kept the same back line, we would still be in trouble. This is because we don't have a midfield to protect the defence and exert any sort of control over possession. We also tried to play a wing back system without buying wing backs. The manager has put us in a very difficult position You think we'd have the same amount of points if we'd been able to keep the same defence all season? Do you honestly believe that?
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Post by estp1863 on Jan 1, 2018 10:37:23 GMT
Yes I do we're in january now, all teams get injuries, a big part of the reason we let in the goals is teams just stroll through our midfield, a midfield that does not only fail to protect the back 4 but also excels in failing to offer anything for our forwards. And we think a striker is the answer? How? There's injuries and there's us. I don't think anyone else has had to go into a game without a fit defender. Who was able to field roughly the same team all last season? Chelsea. Who won the league? Chelsea. The year before? Leicester. Who had the least amount of changes to a team this season? Burnley. So you want two full backs, two midfielders and a winger? Bloody hell, man citeh would struggle with that! Who are you going to feed with all this, Crouch? No only one full back. If we were better in midfield we'd be better in attack and defence. No I'd feed diouf and berahino and use crouch as a plan b
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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 1, 2018 10:38:14 GMT
Doesn't sound like this player is good for the dressing room, stay clear!
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Post by fulagoals on Jan 1, 2018 10:42:01 GMT
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Post by Fred Merger on Jan 1, 2018 10:48:21 GMT
We will fuck it up by offering around £12m,then wonder why he went somewhere else. We won't go in that high!
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Post by sportsman on Jan 1, 2018 10:51:13 GMT
There's injuries and there's us. I don't think anyone else has had to go into a game without a fit defender. Who was able to field roughly the same team all last season? Chelsea. Who won the league? Chelsea. The year before? Leicester. Who had the least amount of changes to a team this season? Burnley. So you want two full backs, two midfielders and a winger? Bloody hell, man citeh would struggle with that! Who are you going to feed with all this, Crouch? No only one full back. If we were better in midfield we'd be better in attack and defence. No I'd feed diouf and berahino and use crouch as a plan b So you're going with two up top, Diouf and berahino? He's going have to be some midfielder to protect the defence.
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Post by sportsman on Jan 1, 2018 10:53:49 GMT
Yes it's a high fee, but this is where it's at now. If Charlie thinks it won't be long before he's at a top club, then surely 20m is worth paying. It's what southampton do.
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Post by estp1863 on Jan 1, 2018 10:56:38 GMT
No only one full back. If we were better in midfield we'd be better in attack and defence. No I'd feed diouf and berahino and use crouch as a plan b So you're going with two up top, Diouf and berahino? He's going have to be some midfielder to protect the defence. No not at all, this is why we don't need a striker, 3 good options we have all ready with a decent team behind them. Diouf on his own Bera will do it with a handy midfield and good service, as would it benefit both crouch & diouf. Then if you want to go 2 up top you have any combination of the 3 aswell as N'goy who hasn't even been given a chance. It's the least of our problems, problem is infront of the defence and behind the attack. Can you tell me what dembele is going to do that any of these 3 can't with how we set up atm?
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Post by xchpotter on Jan 1, 2018 10:57:45 GMT
I’ve got zero confidence we will sign anyone of significant value to the team. Firstly we don’t know which players are needed and secondly even if we did the transfer team and the miserly penny pinching makes it nigh on impossible to get the deal done. A complete shambles from top to bottom which is reflective of the whole, stinking, rotten club.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2018 10:59:16 GMT
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Post by sportsman on Jan 1, 2018 11:12:29 GMT
So you're going with two up top, Diouf and berahino? He's going have to be some midfielder to protect the defence. No not at all, this is why we don't need a striker, 3 good options we have all ready with a decent team behind them. Diouf on his own Bera will do it with a handy midfield and good service, as would it benefit both crouch & diouf. Then if you want to go 2 up top you have any combination of the 3 aswell as N'goy who hasn't even been given a chance. It's the least of our problems, problem is infront of the defence and behind the attack. Can you tell me what dembele is going to do that any of these 3 can't with how we set up atm? Score goals? Away from home especially you can't start crouch as defences can have a starting line of the halfway line. We saw Berahino against chelsea with the adam through ball. This is what defences don't like, balls in behind them. If we are prepared to spend some pennies (fingers crossed) then as long as we bring in a midfielder and a right back, then Dembele would give us something different up top.
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Post by RAF on Jan 1, 2018 11:17:02 GMT
Even if we don't eventually get him we need to have a fucking good go for this lad. Give them 18 mill plus Imbula and Wimmer!
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Post by estp1863 on Jan 1, 2018 11:18:18 GMT
No not at all, this is why we don't need a striker, 3 good options we have all ready with a decent team behind them. Diouf on his own Bera will do it with a handy midfield and good service, as would it benefit both crouch & diouf. Then if you want to go 2 up top you have any combination of the 3 aswell as N'goy who hasn't even been given a chance. It's the least of our problems, problem is infront of the defence and behind the attack. Can you tell me what dembele is going to do that any of these 3 can't with how we set up atm? Score goals? Away from home especially you can't start crouch as defences can have a starting line of the halfway line. We saw Berahino against chelsea with the adam through ball. This is what defences don't like, balls in behind them. If we are prepared to spend some pennies (fingers crossed) then as long as we bring in a midfielder and a right back, then Dembele would give us something different up top. I see you mention the midfield and a full back in behind but we're writing Berahino off without this. I'd rather see the good money (If there is any) spent on the midfield and full back you mention. No way we're going to spend 30+ mil this window, it's about priorities
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jan 1, 2018 11:20:46 GMT
Yes it's a high fee, but this is where it's at now. If Charlie thinks it won't be long before he's at a top club, then surely 20m is worth paying. It's what southampton do. Tierney is a guaranteed top performer, looked the business against the cream of europe. We should have signed him in the summer for 20-25 million instead of Wimmer. Tierney can play as a wing back or on left of a back three...top player
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Post by sportsman on Jan 1, 2018 11:20:59 GMT
Score goals? Away from home especially you can't start crouch as defences can have a starting line of the halfway line. We saw Berahino against chelsea with the adam through ball. This is what defences don't like, balls in behind them. If we are prepared to spend some pennies (fingers crossed) then as long as we bring in a midfielder and a right back, then Dembele would give us something different up top. I see you mention the midfield and a full back in behind but we're writing Berahino off without this. I'd rather see the good money (If there is any) spent on the midfield and full back you mention. No way we're going to spend 30+ mil this window, it's about priorities Don't know how much we're prepared to spend. All i do know is, the sentinel (who have an agreement with the club) wrote an article a month or two back saying the only way they could see Stoke splashing the cash would be if they thought the premier league status was in doubt. Hopefully they think it is.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jan 1, 2018 11:23:47 GMT
If we'd have kept all our defenders fit, and kept the same back line, we would still be in trouble. This is because we don't have a midfield to protect the defence and exert any sort of control over possession. We also tried to play a wing back system without buying wing backs. The manager has put us in a very difficult position You think we'd have the same amount of points if we'd been able to keep the same defence all season? Do you honestly believe that? I'm afraid I do. Every back line we have fielded has been a shambles. All season we have a problem because the other team can press us so easily and have runners peeling off the shoulders of our defenders high up the pitch, because we don't have a midfield to speak of. I was hyper-critical of wimmer earlier in the season, but I've decided to keep my powder dry now until we sort out the midfield. I don't think we can judge our defenders as the system is broken
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Post by sportsman on Jan 1, 2018 11:27:50 GMT
You think we'd have the same amount of points if we'd been able to keep the same defence all season? Do you honestly believe that? I'm afraid I do. Every back line we have fielded has been a shambles. All season we have a problem because the other team can press us so easily and have runners peeling off the shoulders of our defenders high up the pitch, because we don't have a midfield to speak of. I was hyper-critical of wimmer earlier in the season, but I've decided to keep my powder dry now until we sort out the midfield. I don't think we can judge our defenders as the system is broken I agree about the midfield protection and not judging the defenders over harshly because of it, but it's also well known in football that if possible you don;t change your back line, so they all get used to each others game and get a settled understanding. I don't think we've been able to field our prefered or even the same defence twice all season.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2018 12:59:37 GMT
Even if we don't eventually get him we need to have a fucking good go for this lad. Give them 18 mill plus Imbula and Wimmer! H Why don't we increase the value of the transfer to just 17M up front?
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Post by estp1863 on Jan 1, 2018 17:31:20 GMT
Well at least Hughes recognises it's Athleticism in midfield & full back that needs strengthening. Thank fuck for that, no mention of strikers then when asked about it on radio stoke
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Post by sportsman on Jan 1, 2018 17:32:31 GMT
Well at least Hughes recognises it's Athleticism in midfield & full back that needs strengthening. Thank fuck for that, no mention of strikers then when asked about it on radio stoke All stuff we've said for nearly two years on here.
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