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Post by itsallgonepetetone on Dec 17, 2017 22:57:41 GMT
Regret something you’ve done, rather than something you didn’t do.
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Post by jezzascfc on Dec 17, 2017 22:58:58 GMT
There is no other club or chairman in the Premier League which would still have Mark Hughes as manager after the slow and terminal decline of the past 18 months culminated in the terribly meak capitulation of the West Ham game following so soon after the abject surrender at Spurs.
There is also no other club which would allow its recruitment team to fail so miserably with 3 or 4 high profile and very expensive deals in the past 18 months and still keep their jobs.
Heads need to roll, for sure, but not just Hughes'. Things need to change from Chief Exec down.
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Post by pottermissy on Dec 17, 2017 23:00:01 GMT
He's got to go... yes the first couple of years was good and what a refreshing change it was to the horrors we had to endure from Pulis towards the end.
But, we have come crashing in to that same brick wall we did with Pulis when his time was up. Only this time we've pummelled in to it without at the very least, passion and drive.
I think the biggest fear (and realism now) is that relegation is very much looking likely with Hughes at the helm, and with the way things are going; as let's face it, on current performance and form alone there's not many (if any) worse than us.
We are dire all round, and MH I'm afraid is looking increasingly lost and clueless.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2017 23:01:13 GMT
The best way to judge the fans opinion of the current state of affairs is to recall the red card protest that was planned for a certain Tony Pulis, the only problem was that TP went out and got Hendrie,Diao & the human catapult and as we know the rest is history
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Post by roosterslovechild on Dec 17, 2017 23:07:04 GMT
I have been a follower of SCFC and this site for many years but have never felt the need to make any sort of comment. However this situation we now find ourselves in has become quite surreal and I just can’t understand how Mr Hughes is still employed by Stoke City.
The signings, the tactics, the formations, the baffling / lack of substitutions and now the inaction of the chairman just makes me want to repeatedly bang my head against a really big and hard thing. I just want something to change and I genuinely feel that if there is no change in management we will not win another game, (I just can’t see where it will come from), plus I also get this strange feeling that nobody at the club cares that much about our premier league status.
Oh and for what it’s worth I think the damage is done if he stays any later than Monday morning, but even if he does go which it now seems is highly unlikely, I think any new manager will have his work cut out to get any sort of tune out of the squad on current form.
Hughes out. Please.
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Post by blackpoolred on Dec 17, 2017 23:08:04 GMT
Disorganised, no creativity/pace, players giving up, a defence that has not got a clue what it is doing or where they are supposed to be on the pitch, 18 million on a surrender monkey, a decimated squad that will now struggle in the championship.
The only thing more baffling than starting the season with 1 mediocre full-back in our squad, is the chairman's inability to see the bizarre goings on of his manager.
All very strange - we are totally fecked no matter what decision he makes now, but he should at least have given somebody new - a chance to freshen things up and take a good look at the players/squad well before the window is open.
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Post by StokieNath on Dec 17, 2017 23:11:36 GMT
Got to go. Has to go. Whatever... Just fucking hurry up and do it. Keeping him in charge will end badly for both parties.
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Post by stokiekm on Dec 17, 2017 23:15:25 GMT
problem here is that fan forums have a tendency to be over run with negativity so I don't think opinion polls in one give a true picture. Plus look how many people have voted. Tiny number compared to the fanbase. Do you go to games? yes thanks. Season ticket and kodi for away ones or ones I can't go to
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Post by stokiekm on Dec 17, 2017 23:17:57 GMT
problem here is that fan forums have a tendency to be over run with negativity so I don't think opinion polls in one give a true picture. Plus look how many people have voted. Tiny number compared to the fanbase. So how do you explain the number of posters who do regularly post on here who have been vehemently behind Hughes for months but now want him gone as of this weekend? Paul, I might be blinkered but when I think of this site I think of about 100 posters doing the majority of the chat in which case those that have switched views won't number many
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 17, 2017 23:27:39 GMT
So how do you explain the number of posters who do regularly post on here who have been vehemently behind Hughes for months but now want him gone as of this weekend? Paul, I might be blinkered but when I think of this site I think of about 100 posters doing the majority of the chat in which case those that have switched views won't number many The amount is irrelevant. If there have been people putting their heads above the parapet who have been passionately defending Hughes for months on here who now can no longer support him, doesn't it then suggest to you that if THEY have given up on him, then that is likely to be a trend with people away from this message board?
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Post by stokiekm on Dec 17, 2017 23:29:54 GMT
Paul, I might be blinkered but when I think of this site I think of about 100 posters doing the majority of the chat in which case those that have switched views won't number many The amount is irrelevant. If there have been people putting their heads above the parapet who have been passionately defending Hughes for months on here who now can no longer support him, doesn't it then suggest to you that if THEY have given up on him, then that is likely to be a trend with people away from this message board? That could be true, was just suggesting that in general negativity rules the forum so the outside of the board bit is harder to judge
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Post by estp1863 on Dec 17, 2017 23:32:46 GMT
The numbers are staggering
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2017 23:34:20 GMT
Well as with most things like this, there is never a box that I can tick. My opinion is that he needs to go, but not until another manager has been selected. Sacking if we lose the next match isn't an option - unless we have someone ready to step in and take charge. This $#!t has been coming for long enough to source a replacement That is as it may be, but as far as I can see, that replacement hasn't yet arrived. I leave my boxes "unticked".
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Post by hchpotter on Dec 17, 2017 23:36:58 GMT
Do not give him one more penny of the club's money to spend.
Do not give him one more game of zonal marking.
Do not give him another opportunity to play full backs as wing backs.
Do not allow one more midfield selection of Fletcher's long gone legs, a defence including the record £18 million Wimmer, or an attack including a £12 million striker who hasn't scored for 23 months and who has missed 4 consecutive penalties.
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Post by milky on Dec 17, 2017 23:38:10 GMT
Time is up im afraid.
Just like his predecessor he has managed to dismantle his own good work and it's as clear as day he can't turn it round.The squad he has put together simply can't keep us in this division.
We simply have to start again, rebuild and hope and pray there are 3 teams worse between now and May.
I'm not confident.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 0:04:14 GMT
The amount is irrelevant. If there have been people putting their heads above the parapet who have been passionately defending Hughes for months on here who now can no longer support him, doesn't it then suggest to you that if THEY have given up on him, then that is likely to be a trend with people away from this message board? That could be true, was just suggesting that in general negativity rules the forum so the outside of the board bit is harder to judge Sorry but the general negativity is warranted by what the fans are seeing on the pitch and the disbelief that those in power seem blind to our fate. Remind me again why I should see the positives based on our form and thrashings in the last 18 months which are now sadly reflected in our league position. The only positive I can muster is that 18 months of dire performances are coming to an end, given that a new manager will at least put some fight into them. If you see something I don't then please share it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 0:19:29 GMT
That could be true, was just suggesting that in general negativity rules the forum so the outside of the board bit is harder to judge Sorry but the general negativity is warranted by what the fans are seeing on the pitch and the disbelief that those in power seem blind to our fate. Remind me again why I should see the positives based on our form and thrashings in the last 18 months which are now sadly reflected in our league position. The only positive I can muster is that 18 months of dire performances are coming to an end, given that a new manager will at least put some fight into them. If you see something I don't then please share it. You see a new manager? Please share.
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Post by pavel on Dec 18, 2017 0:19:54 GMT
I'm very appreciative of what Hughes MK1 achieved and he should be applauded for that and I feel he still is a good manager. However he has completely lost his way and his record over the last 18/24 months is one of terminal decline. Do I want him to go, Yes.
It's not personal, no vitriol, but his time is over, he could be the best manager in the world but when it all goes stale there is only one answer, move on.
We need to move on as a club and we haven't, whether that's down to the board or Hughes doesn't matter, we need change, either a manager who can engender that or a manager who is willing to say to the board I need to be supported.
Hughes is in no man's land, he seems incapable of changing what happens on the field and now lacks the the gravitas to challenge the board to change things off the field.
Dead man walking, he has to go now. What that means for the future is uncertain, but we must act.
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Post by hstoke on Dec 18, 2017 0:27:17 GMT
Straightforward for me needs to go now sorry mark you’ve done well at times and now you lost control ,making some terrible decisions and your to stubborn to change anything now
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 0:46:35 GMT
The amount is irrelevant. If there have been people putting their heads above the parapet who have been passionately defending Hughes for months on here who now can no longer support him, doesn't it then suggest to you that if THEY have given up on him, then that is likely to be a trend with people away from this message board? That could be true, was just suggesting that in general negativity rules the forum so the outside of the board bit is harder to judge Do you think all those people in the ground singing 'hughes out' at the end yesterday might signal some sort of trend?
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Post by BristolMick on Dec 18, 2017 1:17:41 GMT
There is no other club or chairman in the Premier League which would still have Mark Hughes as manager after the slow and terminal decline of the past 18 months culminated in the terribly meak capitulation of the West Ham game following so soon after the abject surrender at Spurs. There is also no other club which would allow its recruitment team to fail so miserably with 3 or 4 high profile and very expensive deals in the past 18 months and still keep their jobs. Heads need to roll, for sure, but not just Hughes'. Things need to change from Chief Exec down. Ponderous Pete isn't going to do anything in a rush Jezza. We all need to settle down and take what's coming. BM
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 2:45:57 GMT
GET HIM OUT BEFORE ITS TOO LATE
He did this with QPR were playing well etc just unlucky BLAH BLAH BLAH
We are wide open at the back its embarrassing
IM NOT GOING BACK TILL HES GONE
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Post by PenkPonther on Dec 18, 2017 4:10:48 GMT
Good idea to do a poll, but I have some concerns about the usefulness/fairness of it. NONE of the 4 options applied to me, so I felt unable to vote.
The options being;
He should be removed immediately. Ok so I don't personally want this, so no.
He should go if we lose to West Brom. I'm happy to say I don't want this either.
Give him the January Transfer Window: Now here is the first problem: what does this question mean? Give him "until" the January transfer window starts? Or give him "the whole" transfer window? I just feel it's a bit ambiguous, sorry.
And anyway besides, I don't know how I might feel in January. Lose the next few games and I'll probably feel one way, win 'em and I'll no doubt feel t'other!
Keep faith with him until the end of the season. Again, I like Hughes, but I definitely can't commit to this. E.g. would I really want him to stay for 20 games, if he lost the first 10?!?
So with NONE of the choices matching how I feel, I didn't take part. And if lots of other folk did the same, then you could end up with inaccurate results, despite your good intentions. (In my humble opinion, a fairer poll would have have been a straightforward "Sack Hughes now; yes or no?"; and everyone would have come down on one side or the other).
Sorry, but just wanted to give feedback rather than just reading the thread , not taking part in the survey, but then not explaining why!
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Post by malteser68 on Dec 18, 2017 4:38:21 GMT
That could be true, was just suggesting that in general negativity rules the forum so the outside of the board bit is harder to judge Sorry but the general negativity is warranted by what the fans are seeing on the pitch and the disbelief that those in power seem blind to our fate. Remind me again why I should see the positives based on our form and thrashings in the last 18 months which are now sadly reflected in our league position. The only positive I can muster is that 18 months of dire performances are coming to an end, given that a new manager will at least put some fight into them. If you see something I don't then please share it. I am quite convinced that no matter what Hughes will remain in charge for the whole season. At the most he will be replaced by a caretaker when the hurly burly's done and the battle is already lost and won and the caretaker will be in charge for the last few games when we would have already been relegated. The feeling of disdain, nay disgust, which i have for Coates. For allowing this to happen is extremely difficult to describe
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Dec 18, 2017 5:22:50 GMT
The writings been on the wall for a long time. The longer we leave him in place the worse it gets. Do nothing and we are heading for relegation.
We have to bring in someone new as soon.as possible. The longer we leave it the more difficult it will be for any new manager to extricate us from this mess.
And in the summer we need a major spend and upgrade.
That could not happen with Hughes given his disastrous dealings in the transfer market.
Doing nothing just delays the inevitable and is a bigger risk than not changing things.
Loyalty is a great character trait but as Winston Churchill once said "Blind loyalty is worthless".
The board need to act and they need to act NOW.
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Post by redandwhitetundra on Dec 18, 2017 5:40:45 GMT
Give whim the transfer window, and whoever replaces him has no chance to get his own men in. Give him until the end of the season and, on current form and performances, we will be relegated. Get him gone this week, before WBA, and we have a fortnight to get someone else in before the window and they can identify their own targets for January.
This is the problem with managers bringing their own backroom staff: we have no caretaker manager in waiting, because when Hughes goes, so does the U21 and U18 management team..!
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Post by harrogatepotter on Dec 18, 2017 6:40:08 GMT
I'm a huge admirer of Peter Coates and all he's done for our club, especially the dignified way he runs things, honouring contracts, looking after injured players and not sacking the manager at the first run of bad results.
But now he must be decisive or risk ruining his legacy. Mark Hughes did a fantastic job in his first three seasons but his race is run and if he stays we're certs to go down. He simply can't motivate or organise the team any more.
No desire No pace No fitness No confidence No organisation Bad tactics Poor recruitment
Three central defenders brought in last summer but still we ship goals for fun. We must be everyone's favorite opponent right now.
Hughes has gradually cleared out the characters like Whelan, Walters and Huth and replaced them with technically better players too many of whom have been happy to sit on the treatment table rather than turn up on a wet night in Stoke.
The team has no personality and no fight. It needs action now, before we gift points to West Brom, Huddersfield and Newcastle, all of whom could be down there with us at the end of the season.
Why wait until the busy Christmas period to change? How is any new manager supposed to work with the players and get to know them when he has a game every couple of days to prepare for?
Surely we aren't going to stick with MH and give him more funds to waste on sub standard players in January?
Please don't prove Arnie right Mr Coates.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Dec 18, 2017 7:28:35 GMT
Needs to go before the transfer window opens,if he is still here after the window,what would be the point in bringing someone else in who would have to work with what we have and unable to bring anyone in. Is there anyone out there who would be willing to do just that? If there is,he will need to work wonders with this squad,to keep us up. The best we can hope for is pray there are 3 teams who will be worse than us over 38 games.
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Post by bathstoke on Dec 18, 2017 8:24:19 GMT
There is no other club or chairman in the Premier League which would still have Mark Hughes as manager after the slow and terminal decline of the past 18 months culminated in the terribly meak capitulation of the West Ham game following so soon after the abject surrender at Spurs. There is also no other club which would allow its recruitment team to fail so miserably with 3 or 4 high profile and very expensive deals in the past 18 months and still keep their jobs. Heads need to roll, for sure, but not just Hughes'. Things need to change from Chief Exec down. Now you're talking. Won't happen with our small town Charlie outfit
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Post by Olgrligm on Dec 18, 2017 8:28:43 GMT
The team has the following problems, All of which are of Hughes' making in the last two years:
1) No discernible team shape or organisation.
2) Conceding at least three goals at home being the norm, no matter who the opposition are.
3) A team of powder puff fairies.
4) A star player who is garbage in the manager's favoured position for him.
5) The worst goal difference around.
6) We are a bland, generic Premier League team. In fact, we look a lot like the Bolton side that Owen Coyle took down.
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