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Post by GrahamHyde on Dec 17, 2017 17:38:25 GMT
Any new manager (or Mark Hughes, if he stays) would have to come in and change things for the better.
It's not just a case of low confidence, so what would you change in terms of formation, tactics and personel, assuming that we won't be making many additions in January?
We need to play 4-2-3-1 in my opinion as the 4-4-2 doesn't suit Shaqiri and I don't think you can play him up front. 3 at the back has been appalling without Zouma and BMI.
I'd look to strengthen at full back in January.
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Post by djduncanjames on Dec 17, 2017 17:41:02 GMT
Go back to man marking for a start
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Post by stokeykez on Dec 17, 2017 17:42:53 GMT
New midfield. We have no one who can carry the ball up the pitch at all. Allen is a little terrier but has no help in Fletcher, need a hard nut who will win the midfield back from the opposition. Even though I despise the little scrote Jack Wilshire picks it up and drives through opposition or sits and picks a pass. Charlie tried to do not yesterday but unfortunately he's not got the legs.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Dec 17, 2017 17:43:02 GMT
Go back to man marking for a start Why? Do you think we defend better that way? Combination of zonal and man marking is the way forward. Man Utd conceded twice against Man City due to man marking errors, yet nobody said anything. Zonal gets bad rep because it's continental. |
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Post by estp1863 on Dec 17, 2017 17:44:06 GMT
Resign
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Post by djduncanjames on Dec 17, 2017 17:46:24 GMT
Go back to man marking for a start Why? Do you think we defend better that way? Combination of zonal and man marking is the way forward. Man Utd conceded twice against Man City due to man marking errors, yet nobody said anything. Zonal gets bad rep because it's continental. If you think Zonal marking works for us, why do we concede so many goals? |
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Post by kustokie on Dec 17, 2017 17:46:45 GMT
Hughes has not improved the squad since the purple patch two years ago so we still don’t have the players for three at the back. In fact it’s MUCH weaker. The squad is basically the lower quality (without N’zonzi, Bojan or Arni) as it was two tears ago and it was built around 4-2-3-1 That was Hughes’s big mistake - going to play three at the back without getting in decent wing-backs first. All we have ever had in those positions is Pieters, Johnson, Diouf and two games with Edwards. Not good enough.
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Post by alster on Dec 17, 2017 17:49:01 GMT
Go back to man marking for a start Why? Do you think we defend better that way? Combination of zonal and man marking is the way forward. Man Utd conceded twice against Man City due to man marking errors, yet nobody said anything. Zonal gets bad rep because it's continental. Don't think continental has any bearing on it. Just think that when you concede in certain situations ie corners it looks so piss pathetic. Whether it leads to conceding more or less I haven't a clue. Same for whether we should ditch it or keep it, we kept plenty of clean sheets last season with it. |
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Post by kustokie on Dec 17, 2017 17:49:13 GMT
Why? Do you think we defend better that way? Combination of zonal and man marking is the way forward. Man Utd conceded twice against Man City due to man marking errors, yet nobody said anything. Zonal gets bad rep because it's continental. If you think Zonal marking works for us, why do we concede so many goals? That’s part of the problem because Shawcross can’t man-handle players in the box and he doesn’t react quickly enough to the attacking players moving off the ball. |
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Post by GrahamHyde on Dec 17, 2017 17:49:17 GMT
Why? Do you think we defend better that way? Combination of zonal and man marking is the way forward. Man Utd conceded twice against Man City due to man marking errors, yet nobody said anything. Zonal gets bad rep because it's continental. If you think Zonal marking works for us, why do we concede so many goals? Because we play 3 at the back and are all over the shop collectively. Zouma doesn't know whether to act as a centre half or a full back and ends up doing neither - it's not his fault. And we go kamikaze sometimes without sitting deep and frustrating the opposition. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2017 18:20:08 GMT
Try and organise the defence better to get a few clean sheets (no laughing at the back). Be it a 4-4-1-1 or a 4-5-1 or whatever.
Once you've had a few clean sheets (I told you, stop laughing at the back) then you have to attack. Our goal difference is a nonsense so we have to go for wins and as many as we can asap. With the league being as tight as it is then the more wins a team gets the better as it will drag you right out of the grass.
Playing for draws long term will keep us down there and will see us dead on goal difference.
I honestly think we are knackered.
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Post by alster on Dec 17, 2017 18:32:57 GMT
Try and organise the defence better to get a few clean sheets (no laughing at the back). Be it a 4-4-1-1 or a 4-5-1 or whatever. Once you've had a few clean sheets (I told you, stop laughing at the back) then you have to attack. Our goal difference is a nonsense so we have to go for wins and as many as we can asap. With the league being as tight as it is then the more wins a team gets the better as it will drag you right out of the grass. Playing for draws long term will keep us down there and will see us dead on goal difference. I honestly think we are knackered. The emphasis changed quite early last season when he bought Cameron into the midfield to partner Whelan and has not changed since. We changed from a team that plays to win into a team that plays not to lose. |
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Post by liamo on Dec 17, 2017 18:40:48 GMT
4-2-3-1 Every. Single. Game
In January I'd break the bank for a box to box and some attacking pace
See if there's any way I could recall all 3 loan players and force the whole squad to spend time together
I'm a fat git but I'd want them all to get fitter too, they're 60 minute players before they start blowing
That's where I'd start anyway
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Post by rawli on Dec 17, 2017 18:42:17 GMT
I'd buy or loan a winger with pace. Move Shaqiri to number 10. Put Diouf up front or try to loan a striker who wants to sneak into world cup squad. Play Zouma in midfield and play Shawcross and BMI as centre halves. Then try for Luke Shaw on loan.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Dec 17, 2017 18:43:38 GMT
I would ask Kevin Wimmer never to set foot near the club again
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Post by scfccat on Dec 17, 2017 18:45:26 GMT
Work on defensive shape in training.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Dec 17, 2017 18:48:38 GMT
Laugh my dick off at the fact I could start Butland on the wing, throw a bottle of my own piss over a section of the crowd, blackmail the players into sending me nudes of their birds and still not be sacked because I’m Mark fucking Hughes.
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Post by Jimm on Dec 17, 2017 18:48:49 GMT
4231, work on structure with and without the ball, set piece plays, defending counter acts, fitness and core strength training
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Post by PotteringThrough on Dec 17, 2017 18:52:17 GMT
Go back to man marking for a start Why? Do you think we defend better that way? Combination of zonal and man marking is the way forward. Man Utd conceded twice against Man City due to man marking errors, yet nobody said anything. Zonal gets bad rep because it's continental. No, no, no, no. They can't even do the basics right and you want to try and do two defensive styles. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2017 18:58:42 GMT
I'd come on the Oatcake and talk to the fans so they understood what we are trying to do. well ok all of them accept that daft Riv bloke.
Home and Away is more than a soap opera and demands a different approach, Two up top in a 4-4-2 at home and a high pressing back line.
4-4-1-1 Away target striker backed up with a player with a good engine which we have in Joe target striker would be Diouf.
Stop starting with a bloke who is made to be a super sub (love Pete but not as a starter)
Give Grant the occasional game to a, keep Jack awake and b, keep Grant in touch with what we're doing and make him feel more a part of it. (very important for me)
We simply do not have any semblance of a team that can play 3 at the back.
This may shock some, Give Joe the Captaincy. Shawcroos is just not working he needs to concentrate on his own game and would not be a pencilled in starter in my team.
Bring in some stamina trainers, as others have said we fold after 60 mins, all of them. That says training scedules and diet to me and as a part of our pathetic injury list it also says we need to look at after match care. Most teams use cryogenics now , don't know if we do or still sucking lemons.
I'll start tomorrow and work for free so I'm cheap too.
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 17, 2017 19:04:09 GMT
One tactic we never employ is taking the ball to the bye-line and centring it. Our wingers (and WBs or FBs) always try and cross from about the 18 yard line (or deeper), or cut inside onto their natural foot. Just occasionally I would like to see Sobhi on the right and Shaq on the left and cross with their natural foot. Alternatively try and get a corner off a defender as we have scored a lot of goals from corners this season.
Regarding zonal/mtm marking. I think we are now better at defending corners using the zonal system, but in all other set pieces I think we should use mtm marking. Unfortunately our defenders, particularly Ryan, are marked men by refs for holding. If we reverted totally to mtm marking I think we would be conceding penalties.
Regarding Geoff Cameron, we need him back in mid-field asap, but as long as Zouma and Indi are out I'd prefer him at CB to Wimmer.
Fletcher needs resting. I was impressed with him at the start of the season, but his form has gone off since the Chelsea defeat, and I'd prefer someone else, but we don't have anyone suitable apart from Cameron. Top priority purchase is a defensive midfielder in January.
If Hughes thinks Edwards and Tymon are not yet ready for regular 1st team slots, we need to sell Johnson (or free) and buy 2 FBs. I am not against playing 3 CBs as a system but you need fast CBs who can turn and chase like FBs, our CBs can't.
Crouch is OK as an impact sub when needed, but not from the start of a match. Similarly Charlie - if we are desperate - otherwise keep him sat down where he is less of a liability.
Another purchase needed in January is a fast right-side player, to allow Shaq to be used more inside and offer a bigger threat down the right.
(Do I get the job?)
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Post by Theninjabadger on Dec 17, 2017 19:08:36 GMT
I’d go 4-3-3 to start with. We’ve got start winning the back in midfield more. Affelay has to play in the 3 midfielders with Allen and Cameron, we need a calm player who knows how to pass to some other fucker in his team. Shaqiri, Jesé and Berahino as the front 3. Crouch has to be dropped, nothing against Crouch but when he starts we forget that we’ve got 9 other players on the pitch and constantly aim long balls at him. Also when he starts we have no plan B.
When defending corners leave somebody on the half way line. Not only does it give us a outlet ball but it takes 2/3 players out with them.
Remind the forwards they are allowed to try and take defenders on.
Stop backing off when defending, we let players move up the field with even a single attempt at tackling them. Hit them hard and hit them early we’re far to fucking soft. Throw yourselves into some challenges make teams, fans and pundits hate us again
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Post by Olgrligm on Dec 17, 2017 19:10:31 GMT
Spend all day, every day working on team shape and structure, of which we presently have none.
I'd perhaps also put some effort into coaching players like Sobhi, who have lots of raw ability and are desperate for some guidance.
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Post by superheroantonius on Dec 17, 2017 20:04:59 GMT
Hughes needs to resign and be replaced by someone who signs better players
If you sell the likes of Huth nzonzi and Arnie and bring in the likes of imbula berahino and wimmer you go backwards , no matter what system you play
If you can't replace those leaving with players as good or better ( and Hughes can't ) then you can't be a successful manager , it's as simple as that
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Post by thegift on Dec 17, 2017 20:07:37 GMT
Any new manager (or Mark Hughes, if he stays) would have to come in and change things for the better. It's not just a case of low confidence, so what would you change in terms of formation, tactics and personel, assuming that we won't be making many additions in January? We need to play 4-2-3-1 in my opinion as the 4-4-2 doesn't suit Shaqiri and I don't think you can play him up front. 3 at the back has been appalling without Zouma and BMI. I'd look to strengthen at full back in January. So signing a full back isn't going to help our goal situation Don't tell me thats you're most important signing. |
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Post by alster on Dec 17, 2017 20:13:12 GMT
Attack, attack, attack and ignore you fuckers when we got smashed then ram it back down your throats when we finished with our highest points total and goals scored in the Premier League era.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2017 20:16:07 GMT
Laugh my dick off at the fact I could start Butland on the wing, throw a bottle of my own piss over a section of the crowd, blackmail the players into sending me nudes of their birds and still not be sacked because I’m Mark fucking Hughes. Must be your reputation Mackey, but I misread the end of that to say "...because I'm fucking Mark Hughes" |
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Dec 17, 2017 20:17:35 GMT
Leave someone on the halfway line when defending corners would be #1.
It drives me ******* mad!!!
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Post by heworksardtho on Dec 17, 2017 20:18:50 GMT
Pray
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Post by wardy1979 on Dec 17, 2017 20:20:16 GMT
I'd play a 4-3-1-2 formation.When people are fit from injury it would be
Butland
Zouma - Shawcross - Indi - Pieters
Cameron - Allen - Affellay
Shaqiri
Diouf - Njoy/Berahino
In the Jan window i would look for a
Right Back
Left Back
Centre Mid
Striker
Get two really good full backs who get forward well and provide the width.Cameron and Allen to protect the back four with Affellay more advanced.Shaqiri a free role behind
the two up front.Tell him to play in behind and to drift out onto each wing to get good crosses into the box. Get Shaqiri on the ball as much as possible as he is our best and
most creative player. Get the two up top to work their bollocks off all game and play better balls for the strikers into the channels.
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