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Post by thegift on Dec 13, 2017 11:57:13 GMT
Fine lets all just watch him be not only clueless but spineless and say "Mark you must be disappointed with that result" like Nigel fucking Johnson. He's dragging us down he's become as spineless as your old friend. Angry yes you've got that right people are angry what do you want them to be? Agree, but still supportive maybe? How can you support shit after 18 months of the same shit?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 11:59:09 GMT
Agree, but still supportive maybe? How can you support the same shit after 18 months of the same shit? Pretty easy really. Whatever your views on the manager, the players, the situation of the club, when the players step over the white lines on Saturday the only thing matters is that they come away with 3 points. The rest goes out of the window......
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 11:59:35 GMT
My view on it is that this is a message board for fans to vent frustration. I’d rather people call him a cunt in here then raise the roof on a match day and get behind the lads rather than boo substitutions or even adopt to you don’t know what your doing etc at the match. I get that not everyone wants to read such hatred posts aswell though
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Post by sportsman on Dec 13, 2017 12:00:22 GMT
The more he keeps coming out with the shit in the media at present the more he’ll wind people up. Think he's trying more to keep the players spirits up as much as he can to be honest. He doesn't want to come out all doom and gloom and adding even more pressure to the situation.
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Post by sportsman on Dec 13, 2017 12:02:22 GMT
Agree, but still supportive maybe? How can you support shit after 18 months of the same shit? So you can either turn up at the weekend with an agneda to get on the players back at the first misplaced pass, or get behind them for the whole 90 minutes 100% to try and help them get a result that we desperately need. After the game, what will be will be regarding result and manager, but we should all do our bit if nothing else.
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Post by alster on Dec 13, 2017 12:05:09 GMT
Fine lets all just watch him be not only clueless but spineless and say "Mark you must be disappointed with that result" like Nigel fucking Johnson. He's dragging us down he's become as spineless as your old friend. Angry yes you've got that right people are angry what do you want them to be? Agree, but still supportive maybe? We all support the club and want it to be the best it possibly can be but no you can't be supportive of a person who's actions you fundamentally disagree with. That's why I could never support Pulis and just had to wait for him to go. They all do one day.
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Post by sportsman on Dec 13, 2017 12:05:34 GMT
My view on it is that this is a message board for fans to vent frustration. I’d rather people call him a cunt in here then raise the roof on a match day and get behind the lads rather than boo substitutions or even adopt to you don’t know what your doing etc at the match. I get that not everyone wants to read such hatred posts aswell though Trouble is, the ones calling him a cunt on here, will no doubt shout it at the game. 100% support. At least then if the results don't go our way, Hughes leaves knowing and saying 'i can't give nothing but praise to the supporters in a difficult period because they have backed and supported the team 100% and not many clubs fans do that', instead of heaping more tension on the game.
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Post by thegift on Dec 13, 2017 12:06:40 GMT
How can you support the same shit after 18 months of the same shit? Pretty easy really. Whatever your views on the manager, the players, the situation of the club, when the players step over the white lines on Saturday the only thing matters is that they come away with 3 points. The rest goes out of the window...... If you were in a normal job you would be fired a year ago. I didn't say i wouldn't support the team. He asked be supportive to mark hughes. No
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Post by thegift on Dec 13, 2017 12:07:14 GMT
My view on it is that this is a message board for fans to vent frustration. I’d rather people call him a cunt in here then raise the roof on a match day and get behind the lads rather than boo substitutions or even adopt to you don’t know what your doing etc at the match. I get that not everyone wants to read such hatred posts aswell though Trouble is, the ones calling him a cunt on here, will no doubt shout it at the game. 100% support. At least then if the results don't go our way, Hughes leaves knowing and saying 'i can't give nothing but praise to the supporters in a difficult period because they have backed and supported the team 100% and not many clubs fans do that', instead of heaping more tension on the game. I would say it to wimmer, and to his face as well.
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Post by sportsman on Dec 13, 2017 12:08:15 GMT
Agree, but still supportive maybe? We all support the club and want it to be the best it possibly can be but no you can't be supportive of a person who's actions you fundamentally disagree with. That's why I could never support Pulis and just had to wait for him to go. They all do one day. I undertand that, but i'm not really on about Hughes. I mean back the team for 90 minutes, without negative stuff towards the manager either. He, nor the players can have any excuses for not giving their all then. Positive atmosphere helps to get positive result hopefully. Then what will be with the manager will be after the game/s
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Post by thegift on Dec 13, 2017 12:08:20 GMT
How can you support shit after 18 months of the same shit? So you can either turn up at the weekend with an agneda to get on the players back at the first misplaced pass, or get behind them for the whole 90 minutes 100% to try and help them get a result that we desperately need. After the game, what will be will be regarding result and manager, but we should all do our bit if nothing else. I'm on about the manager. I will support every player out there apart from Wimmer. Which i have always done
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Post by sportsman on Dec 13, 2017 12:09:00 GMT
Trouble is, the ones calling him a cunt on here, will no doubt shout it at the game. 100% support. At least then if the results don't go our way, Hughes leaves knowing and saying 'i can't give nothing but praise to the supporters in a difficult period because they have backed and supported the team 100% and not many clubs fans do that', instead of heaping more tension on the game. I would say it to wimmer, and to his face as well. Why?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 12:09:14 GMT
My view on it is that this is a message board for fans to vent frustration. I’d rather people call him a cunt in here then raise the roof on a match day and get behind the lads rather than boo substitutions or even adopt to you don’t know what your doing etc at the match. I get that not everyone wants to read such hatred posts aswell though Trouble is, the ones calling him a cunt on here, will no doubt shout it at the game. 100% support. At least then if the results don't go our way, Hughes leaves knowing and saying 'i can't give nothing but praise to the supporters in a difficult period because they have backed and supported the team 100% and not many clubs fans do that', instead of heaping more tension on the game. The thing I don't get is that last night was a proper nip and tuck affair, a tight game in horrific rain and swirling wind and could have gone either way, so despite people's frustrations after Shaqiri's substitution with 6/7 minutes left what was the point of shouting "You don't know what you're doing" followed by "Hughes Out" (which was immediately drowned out by a chorus of "Go on Stoke" by the way). Save it until after the game.......
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Post by redstriper on Dec 13, 2017 12:09:27 GMT
Agree, but still supportive maybe? We all support the club and want it to be the best it possibly can be but no you can't be supportive of a person who's actions you fundamentally disagree with. That's why I could never support Pulis and just had to wait for him to go. They all do one day. yes yes, but this thread is about personal abuse. It's a different line that people are stepping over.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 12:10:02 GMT
Pretty easy really. Whatever your views on the manager, the players, the situation of the club, when the players step over the white lines on Saturday the only thing matters is that they come away with 3 points. The rest goes out of the window...... If you were in a normal job you would be fired a year ago. I didn't say i wouldn't support the team. He asked be supportive to mark hughes. No You've said you're not going any more, how's that supporting the team?
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Post by sportsman on Dec 13, 2017 12:10:07 GMT
So you can either turn up at the weekend with an agneda to get on the players back at the first misplaced pass, or get behind them for the whole 90 minutes 100% to try and help them get a result that we desperately need. After the game, what will be will be regarding result and manager, but we should all do our bit if nothing else. I'm on about the manager. I will support every player out there apart from Wimmer. Which i have always done So are you saying you will back the team, but maybe boo wimmer and the manager?
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Post by thegift on Dec 13, 2017 12:10:08 GMT
I would say it to wimmer, and to his face as well. Why? Because of his cuntish comments on Saturday.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 12:10:15 GMT
My view on it is that this is a message board for fans to vent frustration. I’d rather people call him a cunt in here then raise the roof on a match day and get behind the lads rather than boo substitutions or even adopt to you don’t know what your doing etc at the match. I get that not everyone wants to read such hatred posts aswell though Trouble is, the ones calling him a cunt on here, will no doubt shout it at the game. 100% support. At least then if the results don't go our way, Hughes leaves knowing and saying 'i can't give nothing but praise to the supporters in a difficult period because they have backed and supported the team 100% and not many clubs fans do that', instead of heaping more tension on the game. Agree. We need 100% support. Saturday the ground needs to be rocking however I can’t put money on the first bad pass played by Erik will result in boos and people shouting useless twat etc. That doesn’t help confidence. Nobody was more pissed off at shaq coming off than me last night however singing you don’t know what your doing did nothing for the team. Or possibly choupo as he came on to hear that. Saturday and the next few games are critical we get behind them.
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Post by thegift on Dec 13, 2017 12:10:38 GMT
If you were in a normal job you would be fired a year ago. I didn't say i wouldn't support the team. He asked be supportive to mark hughes. No You've said you're not going any more, how's that supporting the team? away games. I already have a ST so will still go to home games.
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Post by thegift on Dec 13, 2017 12:11:22 GMT
I'm on about the manager. I will support every player out there apart from Wimmer. Which i have always done So are you saying you will back the team, but maybe boo wimmer and the manager? I wouldn't boo him but i wont be singing his praises, likewise to hughes. I will back everyone else as always
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Post by chumley on Dec 13, 2017 12:15:39 GMT
i agree the abuse that is personal to Hughes is out of order, and maybe on saturday we should try and lift the players and see what happens.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Dec 13, 2017 12:16:03 GMT
It's ok to moan and show frustration , that's all part of the game for fans. Hughes is taking the brunt of this and deserves a fair amount of criticism but it's more than just him that's got complacent as I see it.
I blame him for the lack of organisation shortfall in fitness and odd selections.
I'm sure he has a part in the bad transfer deals but it goes a lot further I'm sure and will a change if manager change that side of things?
So criticism fine frustration fine of both him and players who don't give 100% but no need for personal insults. I doubt if very little is deliberate .
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Post by robrigo on Dec 13, 2017 12:18:18 GMT
There is a cancer spreading through our club right now and it’s heartbreaking to see. Step 1 is simple for me and that’s a change of manager. He’s lost it, a busted flush but I also thank him for the first two years of his tenure. It happens, managers losing their way. The important thing is the club and at least some signs of trying to rectifying the problems we now face. I am at a loss as to why Hughes is still in a job. There’s loyalty and stability but there is also dilly dallying and sitting on your arses hoping for change. Despite the lack of options out there a change of manager demonstrates that at least we tried. It may work, it may not but sure as eggs are eggs, it’s damm well not working now. But let’s try eh? I am staggered he’s still here and if the rumours are correct he has the West Ham game to change the views of the board and the masses. What if we win and then lose the next few after? More time, more papering over the cracks or we will be on our way to a top ten finish. No one knows. We can only go on the here and now and two years of removing the foundations brick by brick. I’m just an ordinary fan and step two is bigger. Root and branch I believe they call it. What do we want as a club, what’s our recruitment strategy, how can rebuild this clusterfuck of an imbalanced squad, what of Cartwright and Scholes? The cancer is spreading and we seem reluctant to take step 1 to even attempt to rectify this predicament. Stoke City F.C. comes first. Always. I remember that elation when we came up. The spirit. Stoke hated by the rest. How we built. How our infrastructure changed, the FA cup semi, the final, our profile raised, Pottermouth, hammering Liverpool 6-1, bloodying Wengers nose time and time again, Rory’s throws. I could go on. I’m not ready to get off this Premiership gravy train and slip back into obscurity like the rest of the football world do. We are Stoke and we should be a team to be feared again. Let’s try eh? Come on Coatsey, loyalty is one thing but enough is enough. Let’s take step one and go from there. Thanks for your efforts Mark but it’s time for someone new to have a go at managing this great football club. Over to you Stoke.
Just my humble opinion folks. Up the Potters!
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Post by Davef on Dec 13, 2017 12:19:44 GMT
My view on it is that this is a message board for fans to vent frustration. I’d rather people call him a cunt in here then raise the roof on a match day and get behind the lads rather than boo substitutions or even adopt to you don’t know what your doing etc at the match. I get that not everyone wants to read such hatred posts aswell though The thing is, this message board is an extension of the printed fanzine itself and it doesn't reflect well on the people who produce it. We've got people purposely not buying the fanzine on a matchday or blocking us on social media because they think the editorial viewpoint is what is posted by members of the message board. We try our best to remove as much of the abuse as we can, but it's virtually impossible to remove every single abusive post, especially during a match when we're actually there! We don't mind a bit of industrial language and we appreciate that emotions are running high right now, but like I said earlier, some are going over the top.
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Post by thegift on Dec 13, 2017 12:22:30 GMT
My view on it is that this is a message board for fans to vent frustration. I’d rather people call him a cunt in here then raise the roof on a match day and get behind the lads rather than boo substitutions or even adopt to you don’t know what your doing etc at the match. I get that not everyone wants to read such hatred posts aswell though The thing is, this message board is an extension of the printed fanzine itself and it doesn't reflect well on the people who produce it. We've got people purposely not buying the fanzine on a matchday or blocking us on social media because they think the editorial viewpoint is what is posted by members of the message board. We try our best to remove as much of the abuse as we can, but it's virtually impossible to remove every single abusive post, especially during a match when we're actually there! We don't mind a bit of industrial language and we appreciate that emotions are running high right now, but like I said earlier, some are going over the top. I didn't actually realise this.
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Post by geoff321 on Dec 13, 2017 12:25:07 GMT
i agree the abuse that is personal to Hughes is out of order, and maybe on saturday we should try and lift the players and see what happens. It's very difficult to control personal abuse on any message board without an army of administrators, one thing is for sure though you can't turn a blind eye to the massive level of personal abuse directed historically and currently at Tony Pulis, then apply different rules when the abuse is directed at others connected to the club, in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 12:33:09 GMT
The more he keeps coming out with the shit in the media at present the more he’ll wind people up. Think he's trying more to keep the players spirits up as much as he can to be honest. He doesn't want to come out all doom and gloom and adding even more pressure to the situation. I think he's trying to blank it because if he accepts the problems then he has to accept that they are of his making so would have to resign. He is desperately trying to find an answer but with the squad he has assembled there is no answer, this is the stark truth that is destroying him, you could see it in his face last night and even some elements of the press were slating him for basically calling Burnley untalented and lucky. He gave Burnley the chance to push forward, Dyche took the chance and we lost. Hughes could not believe it. We were better than them he said. No one thinks they should have won he said. They didn't deserve to beat us he said. They make a habit of waiting for something to drop he said. Never once did he say I made a mistake, I allowed them to attack with negativity because a 0-0 draw was better than a defeat and I was desperate to hang on for it. Always someone else fault. I'm certain he is doing his best, but it just isn't good enough. He just doesn't understand what's wrong so how can he fix it?
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 13, 2017 12:39:10 GMT
Agreed. He might have had a decidedly iffy year that's now transcended into a full on shitstorm, but the way some are going on is quite sickening to be honest. You'd think he'd taken us from the PL to League Two. God knows he's made a mess of what was something really promising but he's not done it on purpose. He's an incompetent twat and deserves all the shit directed at him.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 12:39:27 GMT
Think he's trying more to keep the players spirits up as much as he can to be honest. He doesn't want to come out all doom and gloom and adding even more pressure to the situation. I think he's trying to blank it because if he accepts the problems then he has to accept that they are of his making so would have to resign. He is desperately trying to find an answer but with the squad he has assembled there is no answer, this is the stark truth that is destroying him, you could see it in his face last night and even some elements of the press were slating him for basically calling Burnley untalented and lucky. He gave Burnley the chance to push forward, Dyche took the chance and we lost. Hughes could not believe it. We were better than them he said. No one thinks they should have won he said. They didn't deserve to beat us he said. They make a habit of waiting for something to drop he said. Never once did he say I made a mistake, I allowed them to attack with negativity because a 0-0 draw was better than a defeat and I was desperate to hang on for it. Always someone else fault. I'm certain he is doing his best, but it just isn't good enough. He just doesn't understand what's wrong so how can he fix it? Crouch missed a gilt edge chance a few minutes before. Burnley were bombarding us aerially but I didn’t see us being pegged back particularly.....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 12:40:57 GMT
My view on it is that this is a message board for fans to vent frustration. I’d rather people call him a cunt in here then raise the roof on a match day and get behind the lads rather than boo substitutions or even adopt to you don’t know what your doing etc at the match. I get that not everyone wants to read such hatred posts aswell though The thing is, this message board is an extension of the printed fanzine itself and it doesn't reflect well on the people who produce it. We've got people purposely not buying the fanzine on a matchday or blocking us on social media because they think the editorial viewpoint is what is posted by members of the message board. We try our best to remove as much of the abuse as we can, but it's virtually impossible to remove every single abusive post, especially during a match when we're actually there! We don't mind a bit of industrial language and we appreciate that emotions are running high right now, but like I said earlier, some are going over the top. But you allow the personal abuse of posters but somehow think that's OK but draw the line at the manager being abused. Double standards never stand I'm afraid.
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