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Post by stokesupporter on Dec 12, 2017 9:45:13 GMT
Inhertited some seasoned and tough pro's from Pulis era and replaced some of them with more skillful players and somehow ended having a perfect mix of them. Until he decided to replace the rest of the "though" ones and is now suffering of lack of steel and figting spirit. Now we look just like a bunch of invidiuals with only 3-4 team players left in our squad.
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 12, 2017 9:45:19 GMT
Mcgrory!!!!! Do you mean the man who sold Matthews with matches left and Stoke top of the league.....unbelievable Yes that is correct. McGrory and Matthews hated each other. Matthews didn't play consistently in his last Stoke season after the war, trained at Blackpool away from the club, so was deemed to be a disposable asset. As he was "getting on" they thought they would cash in on him while he still had some value! Read the Matthews biographies; the big problem he had was missing the war years in his prime. After the war he was constantly up against the common view that he was too old to play in the 1st Division or for England. Any time he had a bad match, there was a general view that he's past it and he had to prove himself time and again. Even after the "Matthews final" it was seen as his swansong and he can now retire, when he wanted to keep playing! Ageism has always been around and there is a lot of it on this MB about Peter Crouch.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Dec 12, 2017 11:54:49 GMT
If he left tomorrow he would be forgotten within 30 seconds. Never warmed to him as our manager.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 11:57:15 GMT
As a good manager who had us playing some of the best football I've seen from a Stoke team in my 30-odd years supporting them.
A man who clung on for too long and whose time was up at the end of the 16/17 season. Someone who goes with my best wishes, but undoubtedly needed to go.
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Post by Parkhall Wanderer on Dec 12, 2017 12:16:44 GMT
After Pulis Ball he came as a breath of fresh air and as others have said some of the football was breathtaking (but not as breathtaking as that produced during the time we were blessed with Waddo's footballing wonders of the mid 70's until the roof blew off the Butler Street ) The last two seasons have been ones of regression however I will remember those three 9th places and a S/F when saying at best he's been misguided and now he just needs to walk away and let a new face try to sort out the mess.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Dec 12, 2017 12:25:10 GMT
"....what are they gonna say when he's gone? 'Cause he dies when it dies, when it dies, he dies! What are they gonna say about him? He was a kind man? He was a wise man? He had plans? He had wisdom? Bull shit man! And am I gonna be the one that's gonna set them straight? Look at me! Look at me! Wrong!
The Horror!"
He gave me hope, the bastard, and it was the hope that killed me, again, why do I always fall for the belief we'll ever be anything!
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Post by andylgr on Dec 12, 2017 12:49:23 GMT
For blowing the best chance we've had in years of progressing to the next level, which is challenging for a Europa spot. He came in and improved our style of play and we were effective. Then think back to the team that smashed Liverpool or that game when Bojan, Shaq and Arnie clicked against Man City. We were arguably only 2 or 3 players short of going to that next level. He was unable to replace Nzonzi, get the best out of Bojan and unable to keep a solid defensive foundation. In 2 seasons we've gone from being a very good side with flair capable of beating anyone to being a team with no desire, tempo, intensity, fight or spine.
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 12, 2017 13:09:59 GMT
Stoke City 6 Liverpool 1.
Never seen before and will never be seen again. Arsenal would have had the same if it wasn't for Taylor intervening.
Going toe to toe with the top sides and coming out on top in our fair share.
It makes it all the more frustrating why it has all gone wrong. Our club makes a habit of ballsing it up when we are doing half decent.
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Post by stokie1954 on Dec 12, 2017 13:40:43 GMT
He's got nice hair.
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Post by mermaidsal on Dec 12, 2017 15:21:23 GMT
Slightly ruined for me now. 12 months ago, I would have put him up there with one of our best managers, but he is slowly destroying his legacy, much like Tony Pulis did. Sadly have to agree with this but then, how many managers get to leave a club without feeling like damaged goods? that a rare achievment
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Post by thegift on Dec 12, 2017 15:25:08 GMT
He should be remembered as one of the best managers employed by the club in its history. Hopefully future generations will judge his record on its merit without this continual and boring comparison to what Tony Pulis achieved. Embarrassing comment, utter tripe.
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Post by metalhead on Dec 12, 2017 15:27:36 GMT
Slightly ruined for me now. 12 months ago, I would have put him up there with one of our best managers, but he is slowly destroying his legacy, much like Tony Pulis did. Sadly have to agree with this but then, how many managers get to leave a club without feeling like damaged goods? that a rare achievment Alex Ferguson perhaps?
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Post by thegift on Dec 12, 2017 15:28:44 GMT
Sadly have to agree with this but then, how many managers get to leave a club without feeling like damaged goods? that a rare achievment Alex Ferguson perhaps? Pulis
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Post by alster on Dec 12, 2017 15:38:51 GMT
What you mean he's never ever left a club without the majority of their fans thinking he's a complete wanker.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Dec 12, 2017 15:39:42 GMT
Stoke City 6 Liverpool 1. Never seen before and will never be seen again. Arsenal would have had the same if it wasn't for Taylor intervening. Going toe to toe with the top sides and coming out on top in our fair share. It makes it all the more frustrating why it has all gone wrong. Our club makes a habit of ballsing it up when we are doing half decent. Just stop
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Post by alster on Dec 12, 2017 15:45:08 GMT
Stoke City 6 Liverpool 1. Never seen before and will never be seen again. Arsenal would have had the same if it wasn't for Taylor intervening. Going toe to toe with the top sides and coming out on top in our fair share. It makes it all the more frustrating why it has all gone wrong. Our club makes a habit of ballsing it up when we are doing half decent. Just stop He's right though the smalltime crew are gaining ascendency again.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Dec 12, 2017 15:48:37 GMT
He's right though the smalltime crew are gaining ascendency again. Anything can happen in football.
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Post by thegift on Dec 12, 2017 16:08:52 GMT
What you mean he's never ever left a club without the majority of their fans thinking he's a complete wanker. No, that's not what i meant.
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Post by pretzel on Dec 12, 2017 16:14:02 GMT
Sadly have to agree with this but then, how many managers get to leave a club without feeling like damaged goods? that a rare achievment Alex Ferguson perhaps? Lou Macari .... Twice?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 12, 2017 16:19:47 GMT
Slightly ruined for me now. 12 months ago, I would have put him up there with one of our best managers, but he is slowly destroying his legacy, much like Tony Pulis did. Sadly have to agree with this but then, how many managers get to leave a club without feeling like damaged goods? that a rare achievment "Either you die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain."
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Post by alster on Dec 12, 2017 16:37:23 GMT
What you mean he's never ever left a club without the majority of their fans thinking he's a complete wanker. No, that's not what i meant. Maybe not but you so know its true.
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Post by thegift on Dec 12, 2017 16:48:40 GMT
No, that's not what i meant. Maybe not but you so know its true. For his flaws i think the guy gets way to much criticism, and i genuinely mean that. Yes it was shit towards the end, yes it frustrated me to the high heavens travelling all over Europe to see him start with the 'kiddies'. The day we got promotion was one of the best (football) feelings I've ever had in my lifetime, along with the semi final, at Wembley, both were managed under Tony Pulis. Hughes has done absolutely nothing to come close to any of those achievements, he's also had more money thrown at him, and in theory, going from 15th to 9th in the premier league with more money, is a hell of a lot easier Alster than getting to the premier league and sustaining it consistently with a smaller budget. That is something you cant deny.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 12, 2017 16:58:19 GMT
Maybe not but you so know its true. For his flaws i think the guy gets way to much criticism, and i genuinely mean that. Yes it was shit towards the end, yes it frustrated me to the high heavens travelling all over Europe to see him start with the 'kiddies'. The day we got promotion was one of the best (football) feelings I've ever had in my lifetime, along with the semi final, at Wembley, both were managed under Tony Pulis. Hughes has done absolutely nothing to come close to any of those achievements, he's also had more money thrown at him, and in theory, going from 15th to 9th in the premier league with more money, is a hell of a lot easier Alster than getting to the premier league and sustaining it consistently with a smaller budget. That is something you cant deny. He's had maybe an extra £5m than Pulis and his net spend is way lower. His first two ninth place finishes came with a lower spend than Pulis'.
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Post by alster on Dec 12, 2017 17:12:19 GMT
Maybe not but you so know its true. For his flaws i think the guy gets way to much criticism, and i genuinely mean that. Yes it was shit towards the end, yes it frustrated me to the high heavens travelling all over Europe to see him start with the 'kiddies'. The day we got promotion was one of the best (football) feelings I've ever had in my lifetime, along with the semi final, at Wembley, both were managed under Tony Pulis. Hughes has done absolutely nothing to come close to any of those achievements, he's also had more money thrown at him, and in theory, going from 15th to 9th in the premier league with more money, is a hell of a lot easier Alster than getting to the premier league and sustaining it consistently with a smaller budget. That is something you cant deny. He leaves a sour taste wherever he goes it's the nature of the man. The day we got promoted was more a relief than anything else we'd been poor for quite some time because he shit himself. We were poor on the day and Leicester looked more like the team you would have thought were going up. I had my elation at the Bristol City home game where we managed to put on one of our only decent performances since the Southampton Scunthorpe at home week where I think he finally realised we could get promoted and shit himself, there's a bowel theme emerging here. I did really enjoy the Semi Final vs Bolton and to be honest a few weeks in the lead up to it where he uncharacteristically allowed the team to play with the handbrake off but come the final he shit himself again and went negative. Never really got it back again after that bought in players like Crouch and Adam who just weren't suited to his football, that requires pace and power to be watchable. You're talking rubbish about the budgets given the hyper inflation in football the budget is comparably smaller under Hughes than it was Pulis, we were one of if not the biggest spenders outside the elite each Premier League season under Pulis we are one of if not the lowest spenders in the league every season under Hughes. Both men signed their fair share of duds as do all managers even SAF. Both men know how to run a football club but neither are outstanding Hughes offers better potential outcomes but has completely lost his way and is trying to mimic Pulis and he's not very good at it.
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Post by thegift on Dec 12, 2017 18:11:13 GMT
For his flaws i think the guy gets way to much criticism, and i genuinely mean that. Yes it was shit towards the end, yes it frustrated me to the high heavens travelling all over Europe to see him start with the 'kiddies'. The day we got promotion was one of the best (football) feelings I've ever had in my lifetime, along with the semi final, at Wembley, both were managed under Tony Pulis. Hughes has done absolutely nothing to come close to any of those achievements, he's also had more money thrown at him, and in theory, going from 15th to 9th in the premier league with more money, is a hell of a lot easier Alster than getting to the premier league and sustaining it consistently with a smaller budget. That is something you cant deny. He leaves a sour taste wherever he goes it's the nature of the man. The day we got promoted was more a relief than anything else we'd been poor for quite some time because he shit himself. We were poor on the day and Leicester looked more like the team you would have thought were going up. I had my elation at the Bristol City home game where we managed to put on one of our only decent performances since the Southampton Scunthorpe at home week where I think he finally realised we could get promoted and shit himself, there's a bowel theme emerging here. I did really enjoy the Semi Final vs Bolton and to be honest a few weeks in the lead up to it where he uncharacteristically allowed the team to play with the handbrake off but come the final he shit himself again and went negative. Never really got it back again after that bought in players like Crouch and Adam who just weren't suited to his football, that requires pace and power to be watchable. You're talking rubbish about the budgets given the hyper inflation in football the budget is comparably smaller under Hughes than it was Pulis, we were one of if not the biggest spenders outside the elite each Premier League season under Pulis we are one of if not the lowest spenders in the league every season under Hughes. Both men signed their fair share of duds as do all managers even SAF. Both men know how to run a football club but neither are outstanding Hughes offers better potential outcomes but has completely lost his way and is trying to mimic Pulis and he's not very good at it. I'm not disagreeing with alot of your points, however if you put hughes in Pulis' position when in the championship and you ask if Hughes would get promoted i would put my house on him not doing it. That in itself should answer our question of who is the better manager. Going up a league is absolutely tremendous work giving the players we had on loan. Yes he went negative against Leicester, but thats pulis. He did it everywhere he went. if a team gets a goal its game over - but we would battle, through bodies in front of the ball, and actually show some passion until it did. Right now, including coates, hughes, Bowen, cartwright, none of them seem to give a flying fuck and we just roll over. Including some of the players as well as they need to take some of the blame. As you can sense I'm still bitter about Saturday.
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Post by oslostokie1 on Dec 12, 2017 18:23:15 GMT
The best football in my lifetime going back to the late 70s.
Don’t all established Prem managers lose their way eventually when they are managing Stoke or teams around us? Which manager outside the top four with any longevity in the Prem has never lost his way at some point? It’s why none of us can come up with a plausible replacement
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Post by duckling on Dec 12, 2017 20:32:17 GMT
Slightly ruined for me now. 12 months ago, I would have put him up there with one of our best managers, but he is slowly destroying his legacy, much like Tony Pulis did. Sadly have to agree with this but then, how many managers get to leave a club without feeling like damaged goods? that a rare achievment That's a good point. Managers rarely leave on a high. Look at Wenger. Weren't there "Waddington out" chants near the end of Waddington's time at Stoke?
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Post by datguy on Dec 12, 2017 21:03:12 GMT
I'll definitely remember the good.
December 2015, 6-1 bin dippers, League Cup semis, 3 9th place finishes.
Like others have mentioned though, he's starting to destroy his own legacy now. Time to go, Sparky.
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Post by swampySCFC on Dec 12, 2017 21:08:34 GMT
He hasn’t achieved anything that Pulis did and given the Dodd abuse Pulis gets the outlook isn’t good.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 12, 2017 21:09:21 GMT
He hasn’t achieved anything that Pulis did and given the Dodd abuse Pulis gets the outlook isn’t good. Apart from consistently finish higher in the league.
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