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Post by miltonpotterfan on Nov 26, 2017 14:06:05 GMT
sun 14th odds Slaven Bilic 7/4 Martin O'Neill 9/4 Paul Lambert 3/1 Graham Potter 5/1 www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/01/14/martin-oneill-turns-stoke-offer-become-new-manager/Main Catalonia radio station "Espanyol coach Quique Sánchez Flores plans to leave the club this same winter market , that is, in an imminent manner, and accept the proposal of the Premier Stoke City . The British will pay the coach's rescission clause - which is 4 million euros - and will leave Espanyol after a year and a half on the bench" "Quique was valuing this Stoke proposal for the last few weeks and his disappointment with the season's sports planning, will leave Cornellà ahead of schedule." 3pm odds 10th jan Martin O'Neill 6/5 -------------------------------------------------------------- Quique Sanchez Flores 2/1 Slaven Bilic 9/4 8pm odds 10th jan Martin O'Neill 13/8 Quique Sanchez Flores 2/1 Slaven Bilic 2/1 Lee Johnson 8/1 Club aware of Rafa unhappiness murmurings" according to the sentinel |
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Post by thisfootballclub on Nov 26, 2017 14:08:16 GMT
As unlikely as it is, out of that list Benitez for me.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 26, 2017 14:12:24 GMT
Big Sam the only Chance of getting this motley crew into some order thereby punching above their weight and and strong enough to say shove your loans and bargains where the sun don't shine and buy some proper players at market price ,
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Post by kustokie on Nov 26, 2017 14:13:01 GMT
As unlikely as it is, out of that list Benitez for me. Why would Rafa leave his present job? Out of the frying pan into the fire. Makes no sense. |
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Post by thisfootballclub on Nov 26, 2017 14:16:43 GMT
As unlikely as it is, out of that list Benitez for me. Why would Rafa leave his present job? Out of the frying pan into the fire. Makes no sense. As I said it's unlikely, but the new owners may want their own man in? Rafa may want to move closer to the Wirral where he currently lives I think. |
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Post by kustokie on Nov 26, 2017 14:17:21 GMT
Big Sam the only Chance of getting this motley crew into some order thereby punching above their weight and and strong enough to say shove your loans and bargains where the sun don't shine and buy some proper players at market price , Zouma and Choupo-Moting have been our two best signings this year. Our two most expensive signings (Berahino and Wimmer) have dreadful and so-so, respectively - not to mention Imbula. Hughes and Scholes have proven that they are clueless when given a check book but do have an eye for a bargain. So money is not the answer. |
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 26, 2017 14:18:40 GMT
If MH got the chop My list would be Brendan Rodgers Sean Dyche Marco Silva Rafa Benitez Ronald Koeman That wolves manager I'm not sure one of those managers would come to Stoke given the level of backing currently shown by the owner. |
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Post by dutchstokie on Nov 26, 2017 14:18:52 GMT
Graham Potter
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 26, 2017 14:20:51 GMT
If MH got the chop My list would be Brendan Rodgers Sean Dyche Marco Silva Rafa Benitez Ronald Koeman That wolves manager The only one on that list that would be even remotely achievable would by dyche and I'd rather we didn't bother if that is the case. |
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Post by kustokie on Nov 26, 2017 14:21:27 GMT
Why would Rafa leave his present job? Out of the frying pan into the fire. Makes no sense. As I said it's unlikely, but the new owners may want their own man in? Rafa may want to move closer to the Wirral where he currently lives I think. Managers never leave of their own volition because they leave too much money on the table and Stoke have shown they are not willing to cough up the cash. Firing Hughes and buying out Rafa’s Contract would cost mega-bucks. So the only options are either someone we’ve never heard of who’s looking to step up or someone out of a job. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Nov 26, 2017 14:23:46 GMT
Realistically the only one we'd have any chance at all with on that list is Koeman.
Of the vaguely realistic options, Jokanovic or Patrick Vieira?
Maybe Galtier who used to be at St Etienne?
And they'd all fall into the big gamble category.
Jokanovic isn't pulling up any trees this season and Vieira has just managed in MLS. Galtier has never managed outside France.
I can't think of one British option who'd come and be a big step forward. I wouldn't mind Allardyce, Wilder, Rowett, Hughton etc - but almost no chance they'd come IMO. Dyche wouldn't give us a second glance. What can we offer that Burnley can't going forward?
McInnes at Aberdeen? Excellent record - but it's Scotland!
Shakespeare - good No.2? Allardyce respectd him enough to make him his No.2 with England, and did little wrong as No.1 at Leicester really.
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Post by thisfootballclub on Nov 26, 2017 14:26:45 GMT
As I said it's unlikely, but the new owners may want their own man in? Rafa may want to move closer to the Wirral where he currently lives I think. Managers never leave of their own volition because they leave too much money on the table and Stoke have shown they are not willing to cough up the cash. Firing Hughes and buying out Rafa’s Contract would cost mega-bucks. So the only options are either someone we’ve never heard of who’s looking to step up or someone out of a job. Speculate to accumulate? Compared to the millions wasted on certain players it could end up been one of Stoke's better recent signings whether it's Benitez or any other manager. |
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Nov 26, 2017 14:30:45 GMT
If MH got the chop My list would be Brendan Rodgers Sean Dyche Marco Silva Rafa Benitez Ronald Koeman That wolves manager None of those will come to stoke for the 800k a year Hughsey Is on. |
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Nov 26, 2017 14:31:14 GMT
If MH got the chop My list would be Brendan Rodgers Sean Dyche Marco Silva Rafa Benitez Ronald Koeman That wolves manager From that list only one manager would possibly be interested in coming here Koeman who is out of work & has something to prove. Rodgers no chance looking for better things Dyche why would he leave a club on the up Silva not interested in the Everton job are we a better attraction i don,t think so. Benitez not in a million years would Coates pay him what he would want. The guy at Wolves Nuno turned down the Everton job recently so again no chance. |
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Post by kustokie on Nov 26, 2017 14:31:33 GMT
Managers never leave of their own volition because they leave too much money on the table and Stoke have shown they are not willing to cough up the cash. Firing Hughes and buying out Rafa’s Contract would cost mega-bucks. So the only options are either someone we’ve never heard of who’s looking to step up or someone out of a job. Speculate to accumulate? Compared to the millions wasted on certain players it could end up been one of Stoke's better recent signings whether it's Benitez or any other manager. I agree. However, I don’t see Coates doing it. I’d love to be proved wrong, but this would cost a lot of money. Newcastle splashed the cash on Rafa and they went down anyway, but they stuck with him and it paid off. Would he want to go through that again? |
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Post by kustokie on Nov 26, 2017 14:32:59 GMT
If MH got the chop My list would be Brendan Rodgers Sean Dyche Marco Silva Rafa Benitez Ronald Koeman That wolves manager None of those will come to stoke for the 800k a year Hughsey Is on. The manager should be the highest paid employee in the club. You get what you pay for. EDIT: Pay him a decent wage plus incentives based on meeting milestones throughout the season. |
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Nov 26, 2017 14:33:31 GMT
Left feild, would certainly be interesting. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 26, 2017 14:36:08 GMT
Realistically the only one we'd have any chance at all with on that list is Koeman. Of the vaguely realistic options, Jokanovic or Patrick Vieira? Maybe Galtier who used to be at St Etienne? And they'd all fall into the big gamble category. Jokanovic isn't pulling up any trees this season and Vieira has just managed in MLS. Galtier has never managed outside France. I can't think of one British option who'd come and be a big step forward. I wouldn't mind Allardyce, Wilder, Rowett, Hughton etc - but almost no chance they'd come IMO. Dyche wouldn't give us a second glance. What can we offer that Burnley can't going forward? McInnes at Aberdeen? Excellent record - but it's Scotland! Shakespeare - good No.2? Allardyce respectd him enough to make him his No.2 with England, and did little wrong as No.1 at Leicester really. The fact that Burnley are considered a better proposition than us at the moment is fucking scandalous. |
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Post by stokie1 on Nov 26, 2017 14:39:44 GMT
If MH got the chop My list would be Brendan Rodgers Sean Dyche Marco Silva Rafa Benitez Ronald Koeman That wolves manager I would take any of the first 3 mentioned over Hughes if we could get them. Realistically i think Rodgers is the only one who would join us. |
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Post by wuzza on Nov 26, 2017 14:40:10 GMT
You have to keep in mind that the general perception is that we are a club at best treading water at worst in near terminal decline (in PL terms).
The playing budget is seen as minimal (again in PL terms).
We are low profile, as unfashionable as it is possible to be for a supposedly established PL club.
We have no reserves of youth talent waiting to burst forth into the first team.
On the plus side we have a recent track record of a low turnover of mangers.
The current squad is under performing and has the potential to do better than it is.
Looking at all that our market is going to be unproven lower league managers (a fair few championship managers will think they are better off where they are) , a few ex PL managers who have failed elsewhere and are now out of work , or a foreign manager who most of us will probably never have heard of.
Not a pretty picture and another reason why the owners will not change anything unless they are absolutely forced to (he could resign for example).
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Post by superheroantonius on Nov 26, 2017 14:43:29 GMT
Dysche ,wilder , Houghton , rowett , Rafa
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Post by superheroantonius on Nov 26, 2017 14:46:41 GMT
It's not the fans choice
But the board need to accept if players and fans lose confidence in the manager , then you have to make a change
IMO ...the players , the fans and mark hughes himself have all lost confidence in the gaffer
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Nov 26, 2017 14:48:17 GMT
None of those will come to stoke for the 800k a year Hughsey Is on. The manager should be the highest paid employee in the club. You get what you pay for. EDIT: Pay him a decent wage plus incentives based on meeting milestones throughout the season. Totally agree, I'm not sure the board do. If I were I charge, Hughes would be gone tomorrow the new manager would be offered 2m a year plus 1m bonus for finishing top 10. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Nov 26, 2017 14:48:38 GMT
Realistically the only one we'd have any chance at all with on that list is Koeman. Of the vaguely realistic options, Jokanovic or Patrick Vieira? Maybe Galtier who used to be at St Etienne? And they'd all fall into the big gamble category. Jokanovic isn't pulling up any trees this season and Vieira has just managed in MLS. Galtier has never managed outside France. I can't think of one British option who'd come and be a big step forward. I wouldn't mind Allardyce, Wilder, Rowett, Hughton etc - but almost no chance they'd come IMO. Dyche wouldn't give us a second glance. What can we offer that Burnley can't going forward? McInnes at Aberdeen? Excellent record - but it's Scotland! Shakespeare - good No.2? Allardyce respectd him enough to make him his No.2 with England, and did little wrong as No.1 at Leicester really. The fact that Burnley are considered a better proposition than us at the moment is fucking scandalous. I think, in a vacuum, we'd be a slightly better option. But, in Dyche's position, there's nothing in it for him to leave Burnley for us, is there? He's got all that goodwill there, still relatively low expectations, similar salary - adn it's not as if we're spending more in the market than them these days. He's still trying to build enough credit for a bigger job, and I'm not sure he'll ever really be a viable option for a top 6 club as there's that vague Pulis stench about him that fans of big clubs just won't go for. So you do wonder if anyone bigger will ever take the plunge on him. But we'd be such a pointless, incremental step forward for him that I just can't see it making any sense. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2017 14:49:22 GMT
Abel Ferreira. Worked his way up through youth and B teams and made a solid start to first team management. Preferred formations being 4-4-2 and 4-3-3.
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Post by nutterpotter on Nov 26, 2017 14:50:41 GMT
Realistically the only one we'd have any chance at all with on that list is Koeman. Of the vaguely realistic options, Jokanovic or Patrick Vieira? Maybe Galtier who used to be at St Etienne? And they'd all fall into the big gamble category. Jokanovic isn't pulling up any trees this season and Vieira has just managed in MLS. Galtier has never managed outside France. I can't think of one British option who'd come and be a big step forward. I wouldn't mind Allardyce, Wilder, Rowett, Hughton etc - but almost no chance they'd come IMO. Dyche wouldn't give us a second glance. What can we offer that Burnley can't going forward? McInnes at Aberdeen? Excellent record - but it's Scotland! Shakespeare - good No.2? Allardyce respectd him enough to make him his No.2 with England, and did little wrong as No.1 at Leicester really. Any chance we could get Bielsa, FM? Or reckon he's out of our league? Sacked recently and even though he seems like a right nutter, he's always been considered one of the best. |
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Post by Bombus on Nov 26, 2017 14:50:43 GMT
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Post by FullerMagic on Nov 26, 2017 14:55:50 GMT
Dysche ,wilder , Houghton , rowett , Rafa I'd guess Dyche, Hughton and Rafa wouldn't be at all interested. Rowett and Wilder may be - but I still don't think they'd jump. Wilder's managing his home town club, that he's supported all his life, and has got a massive chance to go down in folklore by getting them straight up. And Rowett's in his first season at what probably are a slightly bigger club and has them 5th with a real shot at promotion too. Can't see him leaving in that situation. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2017 14:58:20 GMT
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 26, 2017 14:59:26 GMT
If MH got the chop My list would be Brendan Rodgers Sean Dyche Marco Silva Rafa Benitez Ronald Koeman That wolves manager None of those will come to stoke for the 800k a year Hughsey Is on. £5m to buy Benitez out at Newcastle allegedly . |
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