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Post by Bojan Mackey on Nov 19, 2017 18:16:11 GMT
I hope Rochdale burns to the ground.
All of it.
Twice.
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Post by metalhead on Nov 19, 2017 21:47:35 GMT
Fuck you Rochdale! I've swerved criticising Hughes but this was a big decision he got very wrong. I remember before the game posting on here that the pitch looked poor. It was risky to be playing a number of our better players. We should have been able to dispatch Rochdale with a reduced strength team. Big big decision and it changed the course of Bojans career.
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Post by metalhead on Nov 19, 2017 21:47:46 GMT
He should NEVER have played THAT game. Said it then. I still say it now.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2017 22:03:35 GMT
Fuck you Rochdale! I've swerved criticising Hughes but this was a big decision he got very wrong. I remember before the game posting on here that the pitch looked poor. It was risky to be playing a number of our better players. We should have been able to dispatch Rochdale with a reduced strength team. Big big decision and it changed the course of Bojans career. Agreed.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 20, 2017 0:14:11 GMT
Fuck you Rochdale! I've swerved criticising Hughes but this was a big decision he got very wrong. I remember before the game posting on here that the pitch looked poor. It was risky to be playing a number of our better players. We should have been able to dispatch Rochdale with a reduced strength team. Big big decision and it changed the course of Bojans career. I did and I posted a picture of the pitch looking like a beach. Naturally because it was me I was just saying it to be contrary and the pitch was fine. Which of course is utter bollocks. He shouldn't have played with his history. This is the one. How can you say that pitch looks fine?
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Nov 20, 2017 1:05:35 GMT
Needs better pitches.
Everyone else broke their own Achilles on that fated surface. Nah. Bojan looked good with the braun of SJW to pull him through. Would still like to see him coming off the bench as a game changer, option instead of Shaq. Swishing Spurs goal aside, seared in me mind. Other than that. Didn't do a whole load else. I'm over him. Already.
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Post by JoeinOz on Nov 20, 2017 1:53:25 GMT
So, lets get this right. Bojan is a quality player but can't play in winter.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 6:14:22 GMT
So, lets get this right. Bojan is a quality player but can't play in winter. A British not Australian winter 😇😁
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 20, 2017 8:12:53 GMT
What's all the winging for there was piss all wrong with that pitch at Rochdale Obviously some on here can't remember the pitches of the late sixties and seventies They never stopped best worthington osgood and Hudson to mention a few It is totally unfair to blame either Hughes or Rochdale that there so called semi god turned into a fragile show pony not suited to the rigorous challenges of modern football
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 20, 2017 8:14:17 GMT
So, lets get this right. Bojan is a quality player but can't play in winter. Look at that pitch, it's a beach. He came to us on the back of serious knee damage and being an injury prone mess. You need to mitigate that by being sensible where you play him. That pitch looks a nightmare and not right for someone with his history. It was always a stupid decision.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 20, 2017 8:15:29 GMT
What's all the winging for there was piss all wrong with that pitch at Rochdale Obviously some on here can't remember the pitches of the late sixties and seventies They never stopped best worthington osgood and Hudson to mention a few It is totally unfair to blame either Hughes or Rochdale that there so called semi god turned into a fragile show pony not suited to the rigorous challenges of modern football It's a fecking beach! Look at it.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 20, 2017 8:17:42 GMT
Needs better pitches. Everyone else broke their own Achilles on that fated surface. Nah. Bojan looked good with the braun of SJW to pull him through. Would still like to see him coming off the bench as a game changer, option instead of Shaq. Swishing Spurs goal aside, seared in me mind. Other than that. Didn't do a whole load else. I'm over him. Already. I am too but it was obvious he shouldn't have played in that game and was said so beforehand and low and behold..... I'd also argue his best games were as a number 9. Walters didn't play in that did he? But he'll go down as a flop for sure.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 20, 2017 8:19:26 GMT
We played a full strength side against Rochdale because it had been a weekend of FA Cup shocks and we didn't want to be another one.
If we'd played a weakened side and been knocked out there would have been hot, salty tears about Bojan not playing.
Given how our weakened sides have fared against lower opposition, I think on that occasion, Hughes did the right thing. Not everything always has to be somebody's fault.
The Blackburn game, on the other hand...
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 20, 2017 8:24:36 GMT
We played a full strength side against Rochdale because it had been a weekend of FA Cup shocks and we didn't want to be another one. If we'd played a weakened side and been knocked out there would have been hot, salty tears about Bojan not playing. Given how our weakened sides have fared against lower opposition, I think on that occasion, Hughes did the right thing. Not everything always has to be somebody's fault. The Blackburn game, on the other hand... It never felt right though.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 20, 2017 8:27:55 GMT
We played a full strength side against Rochdale because it had been a weekend of FA Cup shocks and we didn't want to be another one. If we'd played a weakened side and been knocked out there would have been hot, salty tears about Bojan not playing. Given how our weakened sides have fared against lower opposition, I think on that occasion, Hughes did the right thing. Not everything always has to be somebody's fault. The Blackburn game, on the other hand... It never felt right though. I don't know what that means.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 20, 2017 8:51:10 GMT
It never felt right though. I don't know what that means. It never felt right to play him. Like it was always a risk not worth taking.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 20, 2017 8:56:25 GMT
I don't know what that means. It never felt right to play him. Like it was always a risk not worth taking. But again, if he hadn't played and we'd lost there'd have been all manner of crying, especially that particular weekend. Damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.
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Post by clintonbaptiste on Nov 20, 2017 10:18:29 GMT
Unfortunately he's just nowhere near as good as we all thought he was and wanted him to be. Agreed, he had a great 6 months or so for us which over his career was merely a blip. Sad but true.
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Post by clintonbaptiste on Nov 20, 2017 10:20:24 GMT
Bojan comes with a very special set of requirements in order to get the best out of him, a team built around him He won't get that on loan and we basically retired his position with Joe Allen It's over simplifying it but a decent box to box that's willing to cover his lack of work rate and forward players creating space for him to work in and we might actually get the best out of him again Not that it really matters because he'll be moving on soon, while the main reason for our poor form and dull football happily sits on the throne willing to sacrifice any and all enjoyment in order to keep his job Any manager would be foolish to build a team around an average player
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Post by 1963 on Nov 20, 2017 10:25:32 GMT
Have a look at this for a pitch Derby v Stoke in 1975. Had a great team with the likes of Hudson, Greenhoff, Hurst etc. Oh for their like nowadays!
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Post by Will_75 on Nov 20, 2017 10:28:54 GMT
It never felt right to play him. Like it was always a risk not worth taking. But again, if he hadn't played and we'd lost there'd have been all manner of crying, especially that particular weekend. Damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. the 20-20 hindsight brigade out in force again I see.
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Post by raythesailor on Nov 20, 2017 10:42:29 GMT
Have a look at this for a pitch Derby v Stoke in 1975. Had a great team with the likes of Hudson, Greenhoff, Hurst etc. Oh for their like nowadays! Thanks for that really enjoyed it. Bought back some memories. That pitch today would be declared unplayable. The old baseball ground had a lot of atmosphere but had reached its sell by date.
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Post by metalhead on Nov 20, 2017 11:42:10 GMT
So, lets get this right. Bojan is a quality player but can't play in winter. Point totally missed. Good one.
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Post by metalhead on Nov 20, 2017 11:45:31 GMT
It never felt right to play him. Like it was always a risk not worth taking. But again, if he hadn't played and we'd lost there'd have been all manner of crying, especially that particular weekend. Damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. And rightly so. Our second team should be strong enough to beat Rochdale. Top Premier League teams have a second team good enough to beat other Premier League teams. Are you seriously suggesting we had to play our best players to beat a newly promoted League One team? It was a disastrous decision and I'm not one of the hindsight brigade. I called it way before the game even kicked off.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 20, 2017 11:49:23 GMT
But again, if he hadn't played and we'd lost there'd have been all manner of crying, especially that particular weekend. Damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. And rightly so. Our second team should be strong enough to beat Rochdale. Top Premier League teams have a second team good enough to beat other Premier League teams. Are you seriously suggesting we had to play our best players to beat a newly promoted League One team? It was a disastrous decision and I'm not one of the hindsight brigade. I called it way before the game even kicked off. You can't divorce things from their context though. This was a Monday night game of the weekend where the champions' elect's second string had lost to a League One side and Man City's had lost to a Championship side. In that context, I think you can forgive a bit of jumpiness and Hughes wasn't taking any chances. It was just one of those things. Nine times out of ten he comes through it fine and we move on.
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Post by metalhead on Nov 20, 2017 11:51:30 GMT
And rightly so. Our second team should be strong enough to beat Rochdale. Top Premier League teams have a second team good enough to beat other Premier League teams. Are you seriously suggesting we had to play our best players to beat a newly promoted League One team? It was a disastrous decision and I'm not one of the hindsight brigade. I called it way before the game even kicked off. You can't divorce things from their context though. This was a Monday night game of the weekend where the champions' elect's second string had lost to a League One side and Man City's had lost to a Championship side. In that context, I think you can forgive a bit of jumpiness and Hughes wasn't taking any chances. It was just one of those things. Nine times out of ten he comes through it fine and we move on. I'm not sure about that. Hughes needed to trust his second team to come in and take the game to Rochdale. Instead we played good players like Bojan and Moses (despite Moses horrible injury record) and risked it. It was legitimately one of Hughes' really really poor decisions and I don't think he's made anywhere near as many as is broadcasted on this forum.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 20, 2017 11:57:08 GMT
You can't divorce things from their context though. This was a Monday night game of the weekend where the champions' elect's second string had lost to a League One side and Man City's had lost to a Championship side. In that context, I think you can forgive a bit of jumpiness and Hughes wasn't taking any chances. It was just one of those things. Nine times out of ten he comes through it fine and we move on. I'm not sure about that. Hughes needed to trust his second team to come in and take the game to Rochdale. Instead we played good players like Bojan and Moses (despite Moses horrible injury record) and risked it. It was legitimately one of Hughes' really really poor decisions and I don't think he's made anywhere near as many as is broadcasted on this forum. If Hughes had rested players after Chelsea lost to Bradford he'd have been slaughtered on here. My point is that whether you agree or not, that clearly informed his decision and is understandable.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Nov 20, 2017 12:05:01 GMT
He seems like a top bloke and he was great for us in bursts but, when you look at his career overall, that must be accepted as the exception to the rule. He's had chances in five different countries to make his mark and he's failed. That isn't down to Hughes, Stoke City or any other club he's been at. It's down to him and no matter how much people try to argue otherwise, he was occasionally great for us but, by and large, he was disappointing.
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Nov 20, 2017 12:12:20 GMT
just a few points -
Bojan was fine after his injury. Infact arguably his best spell for us come after that injury, in the false 9 role
3 in 9 last season was a very decent return, even if 2 did come from pens (It's a better record than Jese or Berahino for starters)
He played well v Leicester at home last season and was rewarded by being dropped for the next game.
He suffers from anxiety, and doesn't need people on here to go 'well he should be a man and get over it' style comments.
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Nov 20, 2017 12:13:47 GMT
No stomach for a fight in reality. Had he stayed and fought for a place he'd have played far more than he has on loan. I don't even find it sad anymore. His golden spell was clearly the shiny blip in a career that has flattered to deceive at every club he's ever been at. It's comments like this which piss me off, he suffers from anxiety fucking hell. He was dropped after he played well, I'd leave if that happened.
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